TR Sensors and Detector Programs

[Radonsider]

When it comes to Patriot PAC 3 we should now talk about the Raytheons new generation Ghost Eye radar which can track Hypersonic as well as LO targets.
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According to the manufacturer.
The radar is designed for the U.S. Army's Integrated Air and Missile Defense system, but it will also preserve existing military customers' investment in the Patriot system.

if you have a good enough radar, tracking hypersonic stuff shouldn't be hard

 

[Heartbang]

When it comes to Patriot PAC 3 we should now talk about the Raytheons new generation Ghost Eye radar which can track Hypersonics as well as LO targets.
View attachment 52938
According to the manufacturer.
The radar is designed for the U.S. Army's Integrated Air and Missile Defense system, but it will also preserve existing military customers' investment in the Patriot system.

Chunkiest Akbaba target

 

[Ripley]

Chunkiest Akbaba target

Seriously though, what are the countermeasures against anti-radiation missiles like Akbaba, Harm and others? Or are there even any?

edit: Sorry folks. As you can clearly see I don’t know anything about this.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Seriously though, what are the countermeasures against anti-radiation missiles like Akbaba, Harm and others? Or are there even any?

edit: Sorry folks. As you can clearly see I don’t know anything about this.

Decoys, mobility, anti-missile AA systems and something like a CIWS would be my guess.

Not allowing the planes to get close enough to shoot those missiles would be the best defence.

 

[Afif]

Seriously though, what are the countermeasures against anti-radiation missiles like Akbaba, Harm and others? Or are there even any?

edit: Sorry folks. As you can clearly see I don’t know anything about this.

All modern air defense system can shoot down anti radiation missiles, specially system like Patriot PAC 3, SAMP/T or David Sling, which all has very agile and fast near hypersonic hit to kill interceptor. And i guess Siper block ii would have the same capability too.

The recipe for a successful DEAD mission is a mix of heavy offensive EW capability as well as low cost decoys, cruise missiles and indeed anti radiation missiles.

On top of that if you have the advantage of LO platform like TFX, then you can get close enough to launch an overwhelming numbers of very low cost wing assisted guided ammunitions/decoys like Aselsans miniature bomb or Tolun along with few Akbaba And this would be more cost effective.

AFAIK, standard tactics for F35s in SEAD mission include a mix of small diameter bomb and HARM block ii. Keep in mind an F35 can carry 8 SDB along with two AIM 120 internally.

So for example, 6 F35, four of them armed with 32 SDB and other two with 4 HARM II, can easily take out an stand alone battery of S400 with very cost effective means.

 

[Ripley]

All modern air defense system can shoot down anti radiation missiles, specially system like Patriot PAC 3, SAMP/T or David Sling, which all has very agile and fast near hypersonic hit to kill interceptor. And i guess Siper block ii would have the same capability too.

You see, that’s where my confusion begins.
When a radar is active, it sends electromagnetic waves and anti-radiation missiles hunt on those waves, right. So, a harm missile should track it and kill the radar.
Since it actively emits EM waves and anti radiation missile locks on it, it leaves a very, very narrow window to hit the oncoming missile, is that it?

 

[YeşilVatan]

You see, that’s where my confusion begins.
When a radar is active, it sends electromagnetic waves and anti-radiation missiles hunt on those waves, right. So, a harm missile should track it and kill the radar.
Since it actively emits EM waves and anti radiation missile locks on it, it leaves a very, very narrow window to hit the oncoming missile, is that it?

Who says you only have to have one radar, or one kind of radar? The one who is designated for medium to long range fighter jet hunting would probably be different than the missile hunter.

You can even dump them into the battleground and use groups of radars intermittently to confuse enemy SEAD squadrons. Set up shop, press the on button, stay there for about 30 minutes, than pack up and leave. Kind of like shoot-and-scoot but with radars. Do this with 20 radar systems, about 4 being open at a time. This would be especially effective against militaries that don't have the 'lightning reflexes' i.e. swift target acquisition and decision making. If the enemy is not capable of acquiring and destroying a ground target in 30 minutes, you're friggin GONE! Needless to say you also have to have air assets harassing and taking out enemy Air Force as this is going on.

Gotta broaden your horizons G.

 

[Afif]

You see, that’s where my confusion begins.
When a radar is active, it sends electromagnetic waves and anti-radiation missiles hunt on those waves, right. So, a harm missile should track it and kill the radar.
Since it actively emits EM waves and anti radiation missile locks on it, it leaves a very, very narrow window to hit the oncoming missile, is that it?

Well, we need to keep in mind that ARMs are not cruise missiles. they dont have the advantage of terrain masking. instead they rely on their low RCS and speed to narrow down the window of engagement.
And for that reason when it comes to Akbaba, it has critical speed advantage compared to HARM because of its unique Ramjet propulsion technology. As the terminal speed for HARM is considerably low as its motor burn out long before terminal phase and it basically glides its way toward target.

So, now lets say, even with an ARM with terminal speed of Mach 2.5/3 the window of engagement for a modern air defense system equipped with latest gen AESA sensor will be around 30/40 second.

WHY? because even with its very low RCS, against a big GaN based AESA like Ground Fire or Kronos Grand or EL/M 2084 it will be detected and tracked around 30/35 km.

Which is a pretty fat window of engagement for a system that can respond just in 5/6 second and simultaneously engage 16/24 targets.

 

[Baryshx]

First radiation at ASELSAN Quantum Technologies Research Laboratory KUANTAL!

Quantum-based remote sensing systems will provide superior performance against hidden targets and interception systems. We continue our R&D activities in quantum technologies that will break new ground.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617810607222427648

 

[Afif]

Hey guys, excuse my ignorance. Can any of you let me know where does Aselsan fabricate its imagine sensors and detectors?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Hava-SOJ

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618329951626997760

 

[Oublious]

Hava-SOJ

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618329951626997760

but what is the current status of the project?

 

[zio]

eirs specs

 

[Can't think of a Name]

Looks like Turkey has already begun to counter the F-35s before they even get a chance to arrive in Greece. Do we know how far away EIRS can detect and track targets?

Is Karagoz some type of balloon?

 

[Heartbang]

eirs specs

How effective can EIRS be in tracking stealth targets?

 

[zio]

Looks like Turkey has already begun to counter the F-35s before they even get a chance to arrive in Greece. Do we know how far away EIRS can detect and track targets?

Is Karagoz some type of balloon?

 

[zio]

How effective can EIRS be in tracking stealth targets?

It works on S band,detection is more than x band radars,if you have an idea of region stealth aircrafts with other methods like passive radars,electronic intelligence. vice versa,you can maximise your radar wave power on limited rgion search the detection range get longer,or if you can use on multistatik format again same thing happens.So you can detect on many ways but you can not target like x band radars did.On future with the evaluation of aesa radar as an seeker of missiles,somethings get easier also.

 

[Heartbang]

It works on S band,detection is more than x band radars,if you have an idea of region stealth aircrafts with other methods like passive radars,electronic intelligence. vice versa,you can maximise your radar wave power on limited rgion search the detection range get longer,or if you can use on multistatik format again same thing happens.So you can detect on many ways but you can not target like x band radars did.On future with the evaluation of aesa radar as an seeker of missiles,somethings get easier also.

I wonder is it actually ever tested?..
@TheInsider ?

 

[Afif]

Looks like Turkey has already begun to counter the F-35s before they even get a chance to arrive in Greece. Do we know how far away EIRS can detect and track targets?

Yes, we know. ERIS can detect and track targets up to 470km. But it will probably increase with the future updates like GM400.

 

[Can't think of a Name]

Where do we post discussions about semiconductors is it Industry, Science and Technology or Sensors and Detector Programs?