TR Sensors and Detector Programs

[TheInsider]

Quantum Lidar will use entangled photons and Quantum Radar will use entangled microwaves for dedection.
The Yonca project is a continuation of the Çakıl project.
MIRA aims to develop a GPS/INS navigation system for underwater platforms.
There are also quantum accelerometer and gyro projects. Accelerometer will be based on cold atom tech and gyros will be based on cold atom and atomic spin
Quantum magnetic anomaly sensor will be based on a SQUID sensor and will aim to develop an advanced sensor for submarine detection.
The underwater quantum communication system will use entangled photons to establish data transfer between underwater platforms.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Quantum Lidar will use entangled photons and Quantum Radar will use entangled microwaves for dedection.
The Yonca project is a continuation of the Çakıl project.
MIRA aims to develop a GPS/INS navigation system for underwater platforms.
There are also quantum accelerometer and gyro projects. Accelerometer will be based on cold atom tech and gyros will be based on cold atom and atomic spin
Quantum magnetic anomaly sensor will be based on a SQUID sensor and will aim to develop an advanced sensor for submarine detection.
The underwater quantum communication system will use entangled photons to establish data transfer between underwater platforms.

I am asking because I could not make sense of this;

Is this thing basically "I'm going to see and target your nuclear subs from 500 kms" type of deal?

 

[TheInsider]

I am asking because I could not make sense of this;

Is this thing basically "I'm going to see and target your nuclear subs from 500 kms" type of deal?

SQUID - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Aselsan radars

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615649423740272640

 

[Afif]

It looks like from this video that, SIPERs FCRs physical shape is similar to STR, as i said before.
And what we saw in the latest test firing footage was very likely the AIR radar.

 

[Brave Janissary]

Siper Eirs + Çfr can be good sensor tandem for cheap air defence frigate for export.


Conic cover like fremms herakles can be good for sea condition protection

 

[zio]

siper FCR -lets make all support vehicles armoured-

 

[Combat-Master]

siper FCR -lets make all support vehicles armoured-

That is super compact !

Compared to Patriot FCR

S400

SAMPT

 

[Siper>MMU]

Patriot and S400 radars use a old technique called "space feed PESA array" this enlarges the system by a lot

 

[Radko]

Patriot and S400 radars use a old technique called "space feed PESA array" this enlarges the system by a lot

And (another thing to add) they are less effective+ less resistant to EW

 

[Anmdt]

That is super compact !

Compared to Patriot FCR
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S400
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SAMPT
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And that truck will also carry 4x data links making up to 360 degrees.

 

[Afif]

When it comes to Patriot PAC 3 i think we should now talk about the Raytheons new generation Ghost Eye radar which can track Hypersonics as well as LO targets.

According to the manufacturer.
The radar is designed for the U.S. Army's Integrated Air and Missile Defense system, but it will also preserve existing military customers' investment in the Patriot system.

And even with the Old radar PAC 3 is much better than S400 when it comes to in range interception.

 

[Radko]

When it comes to Patriot PAC 3 we should now talk about the Raytheons new generation Ghost Eye radar which can track Hypersonic as well as LO targets.
View attachment 52938
According to the manufacturer.
The radar is designed for the U.S. Army's Integrated Air and Missile Defense system, but it will also preserve existing military customers' investment in the Patriot system.

if you have a good enough radar, tracking hypersonic stuff shouldn't be hard

 

[Heartbang]

When it comes to Patriot PAC 3 we should now talk about the Raytheons new generation Ghost Eye radar which can track Hypersonics as well as LO targets.
View attachment 52938
According to the manufacturer.
The radar is designed for the U.S. Army's Integrated Air and Missile Defense system, but it will also preserve existing military customers' investment in the Patriot system.

Chunkiest Akbaba target

 

[Ripley]

Chunkiest Akbaba target

Seriously though, what are the countermeasures against anti-radiation missiles like Akbaba, Harm and others? Or are there even any?

edit: Sorry folks. As you can clearly see I don’t know anything about this.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Seriously though, what are the countermeasures against anti-radiation missiles like Akbaba, Harm and others? Or are there even any?

edit: Sorry folks. As you can clearly see I don’t know anything about this.

Decoys, mobility, anti-missile AA systems and something like a CIWS would be my guess.

Not allowing the planes to get close enough to shoot those missiles would be the best defence.

 

[Afif]

Seriously though, what are the countermeasures against anti-radiation missiles like Akbaba, Harm and others? Or are there even any?

edit: Sorry folks. As you can clearly see I don’t know anything about this.

All modern air defense system can shoot down anti radiation missiles, specially system like Patriot PAC 3, SAMP/T or David Sling, which all has very agile and fast near hypersonic hit to kill interceptor. And i guess Siper block ii would have the same capability too.

The recipe for a successful DEAD mission is a mix of heavy offensive EW capability as well as low cost decoys, cruise missiles and indeed anti radiation missiles.

On top of that if you have the advantage of LO platform like TFX, then you can get close enough to launch an overwhelming numbers of very low cost wing assisted guided ammunitions/decoys like Aselsans miniature bomb or Tolun along with few Akbaba And this would be more cost effective.

AFAIK, standard tactics for F35s in SEAD mission include a mix of small diameter bomb and HARM block ii. Keep in mind an F35 can carry 8 SDB along with two AIM 120 internally.

So for example, 6 F35, four of them armed with 32 SDB and other two with 4 HARM II, can easily take out an stand alone battery of S400 with very cost effective means.

 

[Ripley]

All modern air defense system can shoot down anti radiation missiles, specially system like Patriot PAC 3, SAMP/T or David Sling, which all has very agile and fast near hypersonic hit to kill interceptor. And i guess Siper block ii would have the same capability too.

You see, that’s where my confusion begins.
When a radar is active, it sends electromagnetic waves and anti-radiation missiles hunt on those waves, right. So, a harm missile should track it and kill the radar.
Since it actively emits EM waves and anti radiation missile locks on it, it leaves a very, very narrow window to hit the oncoming missile, is that it?

 

[YeşilVatan]

You see, that’s where my confusion begins.
When a radar is active, it sends electromagnetic waves and anti-radiation missiles hunt on those waves, right. So, a harm missile should track it and kill the radar.
Since it actively emits EM waves and anti radiation missile locks on it, it leaves a very, very narrow window to hit the oncoming missile, is that it?

Who says you only have to have one radar, or one kind of radar? The one who is designated for medium to long range fighter jet hunting would probably be different than the missile hunter.

You can even dump them into the battleground and use groups of radars intermittently to confuse enemy SEAD squadrons. Set up shop, press the on button, stay there for about 30 minutes, than pack up and leave. Kind of like shoot-and-scoot but with radars. Do this with 20 radar systems, about 4 being open at a time. This would be especially effective against militaries that don't have the 'lightning reflexes' i.e. swift target acquisition and decision making. If the enemy is not capable of acquiring and destroying a ground target in 30 minutes, you're friggin GONE! Needless to say you also have to have air assets harassing and taking out enemy Air Force as this is going on.

Gotta broaden your horizons G.

 

[Afif]

You see, that’s where my confusion begins.
When a radar is active, it sends electromagnetic waves and anti-radiation missiles hunt on those waves, right. So, a harm missile should track it and kill the radar.
Since it actively emits EM waves and anti radiation missile locks on it, it leaves a very, very narrow window to hit the oncoming missile, is that it?

Well, we need to keep in mind that ARMs are not cruise missiles. they dont have the advantage of terrain masking. instead they rely on their low RCS and speed to narrow down the window of engagement.
And for that reason when it comes to Akbaba, it has critical speed advantage compared to HARM because of its unique Ramjet propulsion technology. As the terminal speed for HARM is considerably low as its motor burn out long before terminal phase and it basically glides its way toward target.

So, now lets say, even with an ARM with terminal speed of Mach 2.5/3 the window of engagement for a modern air defense system equipped with latest gen AESA sensor will be around 30/40 second.

WHY? because even with its very low RCS, against a big GaN based AESA like Ground Fire or Kronos Grand or EL/M 2084 it will be detected and tracked around 30/35 km.

Which is a pretty fat window of engagement for a system that can respond just in 5/6 second and simultaneously engage 16/24 targets.