TR Small Aerial Drones & Loitering Ammunitions

[Zafer]

Baykar is the best Turkish defence company to go for mass production still they have to enter in:
300 to 500 km cheap drones
1,000 to 2,000 km cheap drones(like Shahed)
2,500 to 4,000 km cheap drones

Same for cruise missiles

And same for hypersonic missile
Plus they should accelerate the settelite programs
The situation in the region needs fast enovation, adaption and production.

There are other companies either tasked to do so or are in the business to do so by themselves. It is the Defence Industries Presidency (Undersecretariate) who gives the tasks.

• Lentatek > Kargi
• Idealab

are two of the companies dealing with such development and there sure are more of them

Baykar's K2 can be modified for varıous ranges and payloads as it has ample carrying capacity

There are piston engines with 200hp 100hp 50hp 24hp(?) 12hp that can be used for such drones (some of them)

Just give the task and they will make them

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2040130985996513658

They need stop making social media style videos, makes them look like utter tossers instead of professionals.

 

[Zafer]

Distance is no longer an obstacle.

STM Long-Range Loitering Munition

Stay tuned.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2041090202517536855

Seems to be relatively small, a larger version can give more range. The Chinese drone that reaches 4000 km range has two engines. We have the engine options we just need the requirements.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Seems to be relatively small, a larger version can give more range. The Chinese drone that reaches 4000 km range has two engines. We have the engine options we just need the requirements.

But do we really need a 4000 km range, what will the extra 3000 km range over a 1000 km drone will provide for us? I would much rather take 4 small 1000 km drones than 1 4000 km one

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The Bayraktar K2, as a kamikaze drone with a range of over 2,000 km, is sufficient for the time being, provided that it is equipped with an overdrive for the final 20–30 minutes, which accelerates the drone to 350–400 km/h, and reaches a speed of 450–500 km/h in a dive due to its own weight and kinetic energy.
The key question is whether it can carry, in addition to its 200-kg warhead, two Eren missiles with reduced range (e.g. the Aegean, thus requiring less fuel) – I’d like to see which air defence system in the world can intercept 150–200 K2s, each carrying two Eren missiles. That is sheer saturation, especially if an additional 40–50 Super Simsek are added as decoys/kamikaze UAVs with their own warheads.
That would amount to 600–650 effectors, and I haven’t even factored in the ballistic missiles and Kara-Atmaca launched simultaneously from the Turkish mainland towards the target.

 

[boredaf]

The Bayraktar K2, as a kamikaze drone with a range of over 2,000 km, is sufficient for the time being, provided that it is equipped with an overdrive for the final 20–30 minutes, which accelerates the drone to 350–400 km/h, and reaches a speed of 450–500 km/h in a dive due to its own weight and kinetic energy.
The key question is whether it can carry, in addition to its 200-kg warhead, two Eren missiles with reduced range (e.g. the Aegean, thus requiring less fuel) – I’d like to see which air defence system in the world can intercept 150–200 K2s, each carrying two Eren missiles. That is sheer saturation, especially if an additional 40–50 Super Simsek are added as decoys/kamikaze UAVs with their own warheads.
That would amount to 600–650 effectors, and I haven’t even factored in the ballistic missiles and Kara-Atmaca launched simultaneously from the Turkish mainland towards the target.

It is not going to have 350+ km of speed, Baykar already stated 200+ km but it is not going to have much more because it is using a turboprop engine, probably something similar to they use on TB2. What you're asking for is turbojet territory.

And, if we are living in the real world, it will not be able to carry 200 kg warhead AND 2 Erens. It has 800 kg MTOW, take away the 200 kg, we are left with 600 kg for enough fuel for 2000 km range/13 hour endurance, entire structure of the drone wings and body and all, diesel engine, props and EO/IR installed on it. As well as, necessary equipment for LOS and BLOS communication.

 

[Zafer]

But do we really need a 4000 km range, what will the extra 3000 km range over a 1000 km drone will provide for us? I would much rather take 4 small 1000 km drones than 1 4000 km one

That's why I said the requirement is what is missing, meaning we don't need it. But this is for the time being. If comes an enemy who targets us from a distance we will certainly need the best we can make. Also having the technology and not needing to use it is a small development cost to pay when needing it and not having it is disastrous.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Enemy SA-12 Radar will be destroyed by Drone launched Mete Mini Smart missile as a part of Anadolu Ankası exercise.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2043941446403641713

 

[MonteCarlo]

I feel like our companies just straight up trolling now with using more and more insane specced kamikaze drones in each new air defense test but never saying anything about the drones itself lol. This is from Alka test footage shared today

 

[Sanchez]

Turkish supported Sudanese army shot down a Turkish supplied Akıncı of the Ethiopian army.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052010429304492066

We can possibly say that Eren is now combat proven. Looks like the Emirati/Ethiopian Akıncı that was shot down was shot down by a Sudanese Akıncı using an Eren. Looks to match it. Would also make it Akıncı's first proven air kill.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052021118689530034

 

[boredaf]

STM just announced Alpagu-B with 4 kg warhead and more than 10 km range, but they don't specify it.

STM, ALPAGU-B'yi İlk Kez SAHA 2026’da Sergiledi | SavunmaSanayiST

STM, sabit kanatlı vurucu İHA ailesinin yeni üyesi ALPAGU-B’yi ilk kez SAHA 2026’da sergiledi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[MonteCarlo]

Baykar Sivrisinek was used at Efes 2026 exercise. It was already rumored that it was a finished product but this is the confirmation

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2056363030573731875

 

[boredaf]

Is this the first time that KARGU used a normal explosive warhead instead of a claymore one?

Be still my heart, I think you might be right. Also, the last one was a dud. That's kinda embarrassing.

 

[boredaf]

Do you mean in the last seconds, the impact right above the V shaped blue marking? I think that was debris, because it fell so slow. But i can't tell for sure.

It's because there is a slow motion right after the explosion, look at the other debris in the front, things don't just slow down like that. Hell, even the bloody sound is weird like if you slowed down a video.

And there is no debris going up the way that final drone came from, unless it somehow shot up faster than the camera can catch because it isn't in a single frame.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2057623706927837385

Imagine a soldier who trained his whole life, mastered hand-to-hand combat, and ran 5 miles a day, only to get killed by a geek sipping a Sprite Zero in an air conditioned room. Modern warfare is wild.

 

[Sanchez]

We can possibly say that Eren is now combat proven. Looks like the Emirati/Ethiopian Akıncı that was shot down was shot down by a Sudanese Akıncı using an Eren. Looks to match it. Would also make it Akıncı's first proven air kill.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052021118689530034

And the second confirmed air kill of Akıncı.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2058077089929003459

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2057623706927837385

Imagine a soldier who trained his whole life, mastered hand-to-hand combat, and ran 5 miles a day, only to get killed by a geek sipping a Sprite Zero in an air conditioned room. Modern warfare is wild.

I guess we can expect soldier mounted C-UAS and eventually robot soldiers as the next evolution of land warfare. We can expect miniaturization of effective C-UAS as various technologies advance and converge. We should be thinking 10-20 years ahead.

 

[emrebnc]

And the second confirmed air kill of Akıncı.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2058077089929003459

What is the type of targeted drone?

 

[MonteCarlo]

And the second confirmed air kill of Akıncı.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2058077089929003459

To me the air to air missile used looks like a solid fuel missile with short motor burn and coasting. Could it be much rumored air launched Sungur instead Eren?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Looks like cirit rather than Eren