TR Space Space Programs

[Zafer]

I see that they don't rule out a shipborne launcher which is brilliant. In any case it better be shipped to a location near the equator to make the most gain from the acceleration assist of the ground. On the map below I marked the 3 possible locations that are being considered by the Indonesian government and a nearer location to the equator within Indonesia where I think should be suitable. I also marked an island in the Maldives and the other likely location in Somali. I think a fueling ship a launcher ship and a guarding ship can do launches even from the ocean also avoiding adverse weather conditions at fixed locations. And perhaps we need an aircraft carrier in the Indian Ocean.

A shipborne launcher stationed off the coasts of Somali with the option to relocate to Kenya would be perfect as the location is both nearer to Turkey and also is in the same timezone.

 

[Raptor]

Space programs would incorporate more robotic systems in future we could go full unmanned or have a manned+robot team for interstellar/deep space missions

 

[Zafer]

Space programs would incorporate more robotic systems in future we could go full unmanned or have a manned+robot team for interstellar/deep space missions

We have never put a man in the outer space. Ordinary people can not survive there, only the superheros can. So investing in artificial intelligence and robotics can pay off. Perhaps a breakthrough happens in the future or incremental improvements add up and people can live in space. But we don't have that kind of money or efforts to make it happen yet.

 

[Combat-Master]

We have never put a man in the outer space. Ordinary people can not survive there, only the superheros can. So investing in artificial intelligence and robotics can pay off. Perhaps a breakthrough happens in the future or incremental improvements add up and people can live in space. But we don't have that kind of money or efforts to make it happen yet.

I agree we need more psychological studies perhaps from submariners, robots ultimately not only have to be useful in performing tasks, they also will have to be used to be a guidance of logic - to protect the human from the human. Anyway, I'm expecting breakthroughs will happen within the next couple of decades with man-machine interfaces.

 

[Constan]

Speaking of breakthrough's :


Doc Dr Arif Karabeyoglu, General manager of DeltaV;

''Cost of importing a similar missile is about 30 million euros. We think we can produce this engine for 5-6 million dollars.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361244003035971586

 

[Zafer]

Speaking of breakthrough's :

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361244003035971586

That's a 9th of the cost. If this cost level can be maintained throughout the space programs we can make it happen with small budgets. Not anywhere close to the level India does but somewhere in between. So anytime you see a cost number from the west you know how to calculate our local cost.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361243971448668160

Miguyan said that the satellite shown in the video could be the ground model of the Regional positioning system.

 

[ATG]

 

[Cabatli_TR]

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Anadolu-1A space SLV ?

 

[Zafer]

Anadolu-1A space SLV ?
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I guess arranging the size of the booster rockets they can pretty much determine where the used rockets and pieces will fall.

 

[Bogeyman]

Turkish Space Agency President Serdar Hüseyin Yıldırım stated that they did not plan a manned space flight on their own in the first 10 years, and that they wanted to reach their goals with international cooperation. Yıldırım stated that Azerkosmos, which is Azerbaijan's space agency and satellite operator, has a certain capacity and will discuss with Azerbaijani officials on what issues they can cooperate within the scope of the National Space Program.

Türkiye Uzay Ajansı Başkanı Yıldırım: Türkiye'yi uzay alanında birinci lige çıkartacağız

Türkiye Uzay Ajansı Başkanı Yıldırım, Milli Uzay Programı kapsamındaki hedefleri hayata geçirerek Türkiye'yi uzay alanında birinci lige çıkartacaklarını söyledi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Zafer]

They should start a program to modify a passenger plane to use as a weightlessness training plane.
A program to train spacemen to the best of domestic capabilities.
A program to make the Turkish space suit for indoors, on the ground and spacewalk models.
A program to make robotic limbs as an add on to the space suit.
And also a highly dexterous humanoid space robot.

 

[Test7]

Turkey to start operating its Türksat 5A satellite in June​

Tests will be carried out on Turkey’s fifth-generation electric propulsion system telecommunication satellite launched into space on Jan. 8, Türksat 5A, once it reaches its orbit, and it is set to be operational by June, Transport and Infrastructure Minister Adil Karaismailoğlu said Wednesday.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1362122243610988552

Karaismailoğlu made the announcement during the protocol signing ceremony between Türksat and leading Turkish defense company Aselsan for the "Ka-Band National Satellite Communication HUB System and Modem Development Project.”

The minister, who noted the dizzying pace at which developments are occurring in terms of the country's satellite technology and space research agenda, said the Türksat 5A satellite currently en route to its orbit successfully carried out orbital enhancement operations using electric propulsion engines on Jan. 13. He added that all of the satellite's subsystems were running smoothly.

Stating that Türksat 5A will reach its orbit at a distance of 36,000 kilometers (22,370 miles) from the ground in the first days of May, Karaismailoğlu emphasized that after the “satellite reaches its orbit, orbital tests will be carried out and it is to start to work as of June."

It will play an active role in protecting national orbit and frequency rights while gaining new frequency rights to be used commercially for next-generation Türksat satellites, according to the minister.

He also stressed that the National Space Program recently unveiled by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has given momentum to satellite and space technologies projects. The production on the Türksat 5B is continuing according to schedule and the satellite will be sent to space during the second half of this year, he said.

Stating that the most important feature of the Türksat 5B satellite is the 53 Gbps capacity Ka-Band communication system, Karaismailoğlu noted, "With the Ka-Band system, our current broadband data communication capacity will be increased approximately 15 times,” referring to Wednesday’s protocol as good cooperation on the nationalization and localization of the value-added satellite services.

Türksat 6A, the first communication satellite produced in national facilities, meanwhile, will take its place in space in 2022.

"Our country has reached the level of developing, producing and testing its satellites today. We attach great importance to the institutional capacity in the field of space. We are developing our competitiveness among other developers around the world by manufacturing new generation satellites within the scope of the National Space Program,” Karaismailoğlu said.

In November, Erdoğan announced that Turkey had completed satellite launch tests and reached space four times using fully domestic engineering. In January this year, a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket blasted off from a launchpad in the U.S. state of Florida to deploy a new-generation Turkish communication satellite, Türksat 5A, into orbit. It will be located in an unused Turkish orbital slot at 31 degrees east. Three of the satellites currently in space are operating for communication, namely Türksat 3A, Türksat 4A and Türksat 4B, while the other three, Göktürk-1, Göktürk-2 and Rasat, are for observation.

Most recently, on Feb. 9, in a breakthrough, Turkey unveiled its ambitious 10-year space road map that includes missions to the moon, sending Turkish astronauts to a scientific mission in space and developing internationally viable satellite systems. Noting that the program was prepared and will be carried out by the Turkey Space Agency (TUA), the president said during the inauguration ceremony of the National Space Program that Turkey is opening the door to the space journey of its civilization that pioneered justice, morality and peace in the world for centuries.

Karaismailoğlu also commented: “With the historical protocol is to be signed today, we will produce the HUB system and modems that allows point-to-point communication in the Ka Band sKa-Band used in VSAT systems, one of the value-added satellite services, with local and national resources. Some 150 modems will be produced and two HUB systems will be installed within this scope. With the system to be created, product vendors will be carried put for corporate customers, home users, military and special tactical applications.”

He underlined that the cooperation between the two distinguished organizations would certainly lead to success.

On the domestic production of said systems, Karaismailoğlu said that they “will make data flow much safer with the end-to-end integrated system,” adding that, “by taking the intellectual and industrial rights of our national products, a brand will be created in the international sector."

 

[astragan]

They should start a program to modify a passenger plane to use as a weightlessness training plane.
A program to train spacemen to the best of domestic capabilities.
A program to make the Turkish space suit for indoors, on the ground and spacewalk models.
A program to make robotic limbs as and add on to the space suit.
And also a highly dexterous humanoid space robot.

Doing this could go either way: we could either end up with a good spaceman training program, or a huge loss of funds that could have been spent elsewhere. Despite the competition, space is a global target and effort. We should definetely get help for such things. NASA has perfected these processes many years ago. However, before they did, they‘ve lost a lot of people. We can’t afford things like that. We don’t have the time or the necessary money.

For example, do we even have a reason to build a space robot? We could land on the Moon and collect samples that will serve absolutely no purpose since we don’t have any specific research commitments to that. Before these missions, I think that both our public and private universities should sit down and decide on a new and joint institution that will determine our most urgent research requirements and develop instruments aimed for those. Without a mission, space is a limitless void.

 

[Zafer]

Doing this could go either way: we could either end up with a good spaceman training program, or a huge loss of funds that could have been spent elsewhere. Despite the competition, space is a global target and effort. We should definetely get help for such things. NASA has perfected these processes many years ago. However, before they did, they‘ve lost a lot of people. We can’t afford things like that. We don’t have the time or the necessary money.

For example, do we even have a reason to build a space robot? We could land on the Moon and collect samples that will serve absolutely no purpose since we don’t have any specific research commitments to that. Before these missions, I think that both our public and private universities should sit down and decide on a new and joint institution that will determine our most urgent research requirements and develop instruments aimed for those. Without a mission, space is a limitless void.

That would be shortsighted, look beyond the next decade.
We haven't set a manned space program goal for the first decade but our efforts will reach beyond just one decade.

Space race is back on. Americans are making a new attempt every day. They want to be the first man (and woman) on Moon for real this time and cover their mess of when they just faked it. China can get there first and debunk American's fake lead in space.

We have asked Americans to send our first citizen to space before and they said no. How can anyone ask American's help for a space suit, it would be an insult. Space tech is something only those who can do themselves will do.

In our second decade in space we will probably have our own Dream Chaser re-entry vehicle which will enable us to stay in orbit without a full size space station. That's when we will start needing a space robot and space suits.

Our people should prepare themselves to be spacefarers by attending space camps and training themselves for space conditions. It should be our next national sports to replace wrestling.

We have our TUA now to set RD goals we don't need to look elsewhere.
We haven't started dreaming about space just yesterday.

 

[the]

REVEALED: Turkey plans spaceport in Somalia for $1bn moon mission

MEE source provides details of plan to put Turks on the moon, as opposition says there's not enough money

www.middleeasteye.net

"The same source said the government plans to build a rocket launch site in Somalia, a key Turkish security partner since 2011, which also hosts Turkey’s largest training base in the world."

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1362444892073582593

It is said that the Turkish Space Agency can develop Ballistic Missiles.

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1362444892073582593

It is said that the Turkish Space Agency can develop Ballistic Missiles.

You have missed pointing out the Somalia part. It is no small deal either.
We have born this idea in our minds for a long time, seems like it is a possibility now.
This is a dream coming true; same time zone as Turkey and the nearest equator location.
Do they want some volunteer worker, I wonder.

 

[Bogeyman]

You have missed pointing out the Somalia part. It is no small deal either.
We have born this idea in our minds for a long time, seems like it is a possibility now.
This is a dream coming true; same time zone as Turkey and the nearest equator location.
Do they want some volunteer worker, I wonder.

If Turkey wants to establish satellite launch base in Somalia, then it should be more prominent Turkish troops in Somalia.

 

[Test7]

Turkey plans spaceport in Somalia for $1bn moon mission​

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan revealed an ambitious timetable with the aim of making contact with the moon on unmanned missions (Turkish Space Agency TUA)

By Ragip Soylu in Ankara

Turkey’s recently announced space programme, which aims to make a soft landing on the moon in 2028, will cost upwards of $1bn and would require building a rocket launch site in Somalia, a Turkish source familiar with the government’s plan told Middle East Eye.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan revealed last week an ambitious timetable that has two separate stages, with the aim of making contact with the moon on unmanned missions.

Ankara plans to make a hard landing on the moon with a locally produced hybrid rocket that would be launched into orbit in 2023, the republic’s centennial, through international cooperation.

The second stage aims to have a soft landing on the moon in 2028 with Turkey’s own capabilities, which would involve a shuttle that would carry out scientific research on the Earth's natural satellite.

However, the government has so far avoided questions regarding the cost of the programme and how it will proceed.

Budget queries​

Turkish opposition was quick to point out that the government-authorised body for the task, the Turkish Space Agency (TUA), has an annual budget of just over $40m, which is insufficient for such lofty objectives.

MEE's Turkish source said that the TUA was only tasked with coordinating the entire programme, and therefore it was natural that it didn’t have a larger budget.

'Having such a target will help Turkey to finally concentrate on the mission that is space'

- Turkish source

“The spending will be done through different government entities, such as state-owned major defence industry companies,” the source added. “The defence ministry itself will also make allocations.”

Initial plans submitted to Erdogan a few years ago showed that little-known Turkish presidency subsidiary Deltav (Space Technologies Incorporated Company) would be the recipient of the bulk of the spending, with a budget of more than $600m.

Arif Karabeyoglu, chairman of Deltav, announced last year that the company had already produced a rocket engine that uses liquid oxygen and paraffin, a crucial capability for the space programme.

The programme, which in total is expected to cost the government at least $1.1bn according to MEE's source, includes an aggressive investment for space infrastructure.

Rocket from Somalia​

The same source said the government plans to build a rocket launch site in Somalia, a key Turkish security partner since 2011, which also hosts Turkey’s largest training base in the world.

Somalia isn’t a stranger for space enthusiasts: France also considered using the country to host a spaceport in the 1960s due to its close proximity to the equator, which makes it more suitable for rocket launches.

Serdar Huseyin Yildirim, the president of Turkish Space Agency, refused to comment on Somalia in an interview with BBC Turkish on 12 February, citing sensitive talks with the host country, which he wouldn’t name.

However, MEE's Turkish source said other alternatives such as Libya weren’t likely because Turkey had a greater influence in Somalia and it was scientifically more favourable.

The government’s draft calculations suggest establishing and maintaining the spaceport in Somalia would cost more than $350m.

The government also aims to allocate grants for Turkish doctoral students to go abroad to study astrophysics, and will provide research and development funding for Turkish universities, altogether for around $150m.

Yildirim told the media in repeated interviews that the space programme would help Turkey advance its technology and make crucial investments in sectors that would make the country more competitive in the long run.

The government still needs to find a foreign entity capable of launching the Turkish rocket to space in 2023 where, after reaching the lower Earth orbit, the rocket would be directed to the moon.

Yildirim told a Turkish newspaper that funding for the project could be financed through international donors since there are many parties interested in space projects.

However, MEE's source said that since the programme itself would require the development of missiles, foreign investment would be unlikely.

"The plans would most likely evolve over time, since the 2023 and 2028 targets are pretty aggressive and there are many variables that could change," the source added. "Yet, having such a target will help Turkey to finally concentrate on the mission that is space."

REVEALED: Turkey plans spaceport in Somalia for $1bn moon mission

MEE source provides details of plan to put Turks on the moon, as opposition says there's not enough money

www.middleeasteye.net