Live Conflict Syria Civil War

[Saithan]

Remember when I said Israel is a bigger threat to Turkiye than the Arab countries and Iran put together.

Instead we had a lot of people foaming over some bullshit non existent Turkiye-Israel alliance.

It's is only because the government doesn't seem to clean up the PKK in Syria, giving our adversaries time to shuffle the cards and get better hands against us.

I've said it before unless you change the facts on the grounds with force you can not expect the good cards in our hands to remain good.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Remember when I said Israel is a bigger threat to Turkiye than the Arab countries and Iran put together.

Instead we had a lot of people foaming over some bullshit non existent Turkiye-Israel alliance.

Israel is the only smart nation in a region of idiots.

Iran became an Islamic shithole overnight and Türkiye has been put to sleep by the Erdoğan regime.

Israel now has free rein to do whatever it wants. And guess what, we won't do anything about it. Israel will complete its goal of expanding, possibly even gaining a second KRG in Syria. Meanwhile, we will make peace with PKK because AKP can no longer pretend that it is a nationalist party. For the next few years nationalist opposition will be silenced and jailed whilst PKK and AKP shake hands. Islamists will continue to vote for AKP because CHP and Zafer partisi are run by the devil, meanwhile AKP will also get kurdish votes. All while Israel's influence grows. But hey, that doesn't matter because Erdoğan will warn them and also accuse the opposition of being supported by Mossad, and thus bring back any naughty Islamists who even dared to think of voting for someone else.

Israel isn't the enemy, Iran isn't the enemy, Russia isn't the enemy and nor is the US the enemy. The enemy is within.

 

[Ryder]

Israel is the only smart nation in a region of idiots.

Iran became an Islamic shithole overnight and Türkiye has been put to sleep by the Erdoğan regime.

Israel now has free rein to do whatever it wants. And guess what, we won't do anything about it. Israel will complete its goal of expanding, possibly even gaining a second KRG in Syria. Meanwhile, we will make peace with PKK because AKP can no longer pretend that it is a nationalist party. For the next few years nationalist opposition will be silenced and jailed whilst PKK and AKP shake hands. Islamists will continue to vote for AKP because CHP and Zafer partisi are run by the devil, meanwhile AKP will also get kurdish votes. All while Israel's influence grows. But hey, that doesn't matter because Erdoğan will warn them and also accuse the opposition of being supported by Mossad, and thus bring back any naughty Islamists who even dared to think of voting for someone else.

Israel isn't the enemy, Iran isn't the enemy, Russia isn't the enemy and nor is the US the enemy. The enemy is within.

Turkiye beats around the bush far too much.

The inaction really pisses me off now the Pkk terrorists are utilising fpv drones blew up a T155.

Erdogan doesnt care because his a paranoid fckwit because if the Turkish military is strong he fears he will be brought down. Then again you have corruption that can be rife in Turkish republic. 100% sure any politician or civilian worker are like who needs countermeasures against fpvs when we can pocket the money and spend it on w*ores.

If he cant do anything about the pkk he might as well resign. Pathetic just like Davutoglu.

 

[Lool]

It's is only because the government doesn't seem to clean up the PKK in Syria, giving our adversaries time to shuffle the cards and get better hands against us.

I've said it before unless you change the facts on the grounds with force you can not expect the good cards in our hands to remain good.

"Doesnt seem to clean the PKK"?

To change the facts on the ground, you need to confront the US soldiers protecting the PKK
That is why Erdogan is trying to make the US leave so that he can confront the PKK however Israel, the PKK, and the pentagon wants to remain on ground because they know that if a US soldier got injured during the upcoming Turkish-PKK war, the US will have a reason to obtain massive concessions from Turkey or raze it to the ground

Rather than blindly attacking the govt, you should appreciate that they managed to kick Russia, Iran, and Assad out and increase its control over the Syrian lands from 10-15% to a massive 70%

I understand ppl's hatred towards Erdo but give credit where its due

 

[Saithan]

"Doesnt seem to clean the PKK"?

To change the facts on the ground, you need to confront the US soldiers protecting the PKK
That is why Erdogan is trying to make the US leave so that he can confront the PKK however Israel, the PKK, and the pentagon wants to remain on ground because they know that if a US soldier got injured during the upcoming Turkish-PKK war, the US will have a reason to obtain massive concessions from Turkey or raze it to the ground

Rather than blindly attacking the govt, you should appreciate that they managed to kick Russia, Iran, and Assad out and increase its control over the Syrian lands from 10-15% to a massive 70%

I understand ppl's hatred towards Erdo but give credit where its due

What you are saying is TSK is unable to conduct operation in regions where the US has bases, as if their influence is big enough to warrant as deterrent.

Because of the civilian control over the military, TSK speed to conduct operations has been rendered obsolete. So the politicians have found out that Erdogan is afraid of consequences of not being reelected or AKP losing control, so it's easier to passify Turkey by threatening the economy.

That is a mistake, because while RTE chickens out the cards in his hand become obsolete.

EU won't ease sanctions unless Syria accepts refugees back. So EU will be free of their burden, while Türkiye will have some 3-4 million refugees in camps. And on top of that they will sanctions us if we start an operation.

It would be best to do these operations as soon as possible.

 

[Lool]

What you are saying is TSK is unable to conduct operation in regions where the US has bases, as if their influence is big enough to warrant as deterrent.

Yes Iam
Turkey, no matter how strong it is rn, cant conduct an operation where the US troops are located and without US approval. Facts are facts and Turkey isnt on par with the US yet to warrant going against each other

Because of the civilian control over the military, TSK speed to conduct operations has been rendered obsolete. So the politicians have found out that Erdogan is afraid of consequences of not being reelected or AKP losing control, so it's easier to passify Turkey by threatening the economy.

Please give me one strong, properly advanced, nation whose military isnt controlled by a civilian administration? An independent army is literally a fertile ground for corruption; just look at Africa as a reference

Pls tell me what guarantee will such a power structure not warrant coups? Havent you learned from FETO or previous coup attempts in the history of the republic? What on earth will you do when a corrupt dictator rules the military and make Turkey a living hell?

The West have been utilising this power structure to attempt coups worldwide against those leaders who dont meet their agendas. Why do you think the West plotted a coup against Erdo in the first place? Its because he went against their narrative and stimulated the defence industry as well as went against the PKK. Just look at Gabar which has been freed from terrorism and the potential oil reserves it has

That is a mistake, because while RTE chickens out the cards in his hand become obsolete.

Let me tell you something mate.....
The army is just one side of the nation. If the army acted independently while the rest of the nation suffers, then what is the use of acting out in the first place

Lets say, hypothetically, that the army is independent and that it acted and destroyed the PKK which will obviously prompt sanctions that may cripple the current Turkey and increase poverty even more than the horrid situation Turkey is in rn.... then what? People will revolt due to bad living conditions and they will put a leader who listens to the West in order to cease sanctions which will prompt a retreat from Syria and the PKK will just grow back

EU won't ease sanctions unless Syria accepts refugees back. So EU will be free of their burden, while Türkiye will have some 3-4 million refugees in camps. And on top of that they will sanctions us if we start an operation.

Fq Europe, its era is over!.... Turkey can resist Europe to a degree and its sanctions will damage but not cripple Turkey but not the US.
The US is still the monolithic structure in the Western hegemony. Just look at the events regarding Trump desire to acquire greenland; did Denmark state that they will resist even if it meant using force? Did Denmark announce or even move their military to secure Greenland? NO!! It is because all of Europe knows that if the US wants Greenland, then it will get it whether Europe likes it or not.

It would be best to do these operations as soon as possible.

Agreed a million percent
However, a president (regardless of whether its Erdo or not) must consider the issue from all of its sides in order to gain the most and reduce the losses since terrorism and people's general economic affairs are both a part of his job description

Honestly, even I am fuming over the fact that TSK can go and finally destroy the PKK yet cant but I also understand how big of a deterrent and a monster the US actually is and I respect Erdo for even managing to play his hands and increase his influence in Syria amidst those conditions. Iam on pins and needles but all what I can say is lets see what will happen within the next month or so

If the US retreats, its over for the PKK and all warring factions in Syria knows that and Turkey has been increasing the number of troops located close to Ayn Al Arab (Kobani) for a while now

 

[AlperTunga]

"Doesnt seem to clean the PKK"?

To change the facts on the ground, you need to confront the US soldiers protecting the PKK
That is why Erdogan is trying to make the US leave so that he can confront the PKK however Israel, the PKK, and the pentagon wants to remain on ground because they know that if a US soldier got injured during the upcoming Turkish-PKK war, the US will have a reason to obtain massive concessions from Turkey or raze it to the ground

Rather than blindly attacking the govt, you should appreciate that they managed to kick Russia, Iran, and Assad out and increase its control over the Syrian lands from 10-15% to a massive 70%

I understand ppl's hatred towards Erdo but give credit where its due

American soldiers were there when we conducted the previous operations. I think the reason is rather Erdogan wanting to be reelected again. He is not Ecevit who weighed country‘s long term interests more heavily. Türkiye has suffered so much in the last 15 years because of personal view focused international politics as well as religious based economic decisions. In general, Türkiye has suffered so much from instrumentalisation of religion. Both Atatürk and CHP was wrong because they went so much against it and AKP was also wrong in its reaction. We as a nation couldnt learn that we need to respect religion but it is something that should be personal and not imposed on the society.

 

[AlperTunga]

Yes Iam
Turkey, no matter how strong it is rn, cant conduct an operation where the US troops are located and without US approval. Facts are facts and Turkey isnt on par with the US yet to warrant going against each other

Please give me one strong, properly advanced, nation whose military isnt controlled by a civilian administration? An independent army is literally a fertile ground for corruption; just look at Africa as a reference

Pls tell me what guarantee will such a power structure not warrant coups? Havent you learned from FETO or previous coup attempts in the history of the republic? What on earth will you do when a corrupt dictator rules the military and make Turkey a living hell?

The West have been utilising this power structure to attempt coups worldwide against those leaders who dont meet their agendas. Why do you think the West plotted a coup against Erdo in the first place? Its because he went against their narrative and stimulated the defence industry as well as went against the PKK. Just look at Gabar which has been freed from terrorism and the potential oil reserves it has

Let me tell you something mate.....
The army is just one side of the nation. If the army acted independently while the rest of the nation suffers, then what is the use of acting out in the first place

Lets say, hypothetically, that the army is independent and that it acted and destroyed the PKK which will obviously prompt sanctions that may cripple the current Turkey and increase poverty even more than the horrid situation Turkey is in rn.... then what? People will revolt due to bad living conditions and they will put a leader who listens to the West in order to cease sanctions which will prompt a retreat from Syria and the PKK will just grow back

Fq Europe, its era is over!.... Turkey can resist Europe to a degree and its sanctions will damage but not cripple Turkey but not the US.
The US is still the monolithic structure in the Western hegemony. Just look at the events regarding Trump desire to acquire greenland; did Denmark state that they will resist even if it meant using force? Did Denmark announce or even move their military to secure Greenland? NO!! It is because all of Europe knows that if the US wants Greenland, then it will get it whether Europe likes it or not.

Agreed a million percent
However, a president (regardless of whether its Erdo or not) must consider the issue from all of its sides in order to gain the most and reduce the losses since terrorism and people's general economic affairs are both a part of his job description

Honestly, even I am fuming over the fact that TSK can go and finally destroy the PKK yet cant but I also understand how big of a deterrent and a monster the US actually is and I respect Erdo for even managing to play his hands and increase his influence in Syria amidst those conditions. Iam on pins and needles but all what I can say is lets see what will happen within the next month or so

If the US retreats, its over for the PKK and all warring factions in Syria knows that and Turkey has been increasing the number of troops located close to Ayn Al Arab (Kobani) for a while now

The easiest way out is to give security guarantees to Israel but otherwise warn them very severely that if they stick to the pkk project then they will be considered enemy number one. They have to decide which one is better: pkk state with dubious marginal benefits to them or Türkiye as enemy. This should be made clear to US as well. We will converge in terms of technology and grow so not a wise choice for them. But I am sure they are also betting on Imamoglu type gov in the future, so we need commitment from the deep state here,

 

[Lool]

American soldiers were there when we conducted the previous operations. I think the reason is rather Erdogan wanting to be reelected again. He is not Ecevit who weighed country‘s long term interests more heavily. Türkiye has suffered so much in the last 15 years because of personal view focused international politics as well as religious based economic decisions. In general, Türkiye has suffered so much from instrumentalisation of religion. Both Atatürk and CHP was wrong because they went so much against it and AKP was also wrong in its reaction. We as a nation couldnt learn that we need to respect religion but it is something that should be personal and not imposed on the society.

I agree that US soldiers where there when Turkey conducted its operation long ago

However, what you dont know is that just before the operation was conducted, Erdogan and Trump both reached a deal in which the US would retreat a certain number of kilometers and from certain areas where PKK activities was the highest since at that time, suicide bombings and terrorist attacks within Turkish soil was just way too much that Turkey had the legitimacy and the excuse to intervene while Trump didnt have any excuse to reject Turkey and didnt want to make an enemy of the Turkish public at the time

Even Trump admitted that he allowed Turkey to conduct its previous operation as he couldnt say no to Turkey's reasons

 

[AlperTunga]

I agree that US soldiers where there when Turkey conducted its operation long ago

However, what you dont know is that just before the operation was conducted, Erdogan and Trump both reached a deal in which the US would retreat a certain number of kilometers and from certain areas where PKK activities was the highest since at that time, suicide bombings and terrorist attacks within Turkish soil was just way too much that Turkey had the legitimacy and the excuse to intervene while Trump didnt have any excuse to reject Turkey and didnt want to make an enemy of the Turkish public at the time

Even Trump admitted that he allowed Turkey to conduct its previous operation as he couldnt say no to Turkey's reasons

It is unbearable that a country 10000km away comes to our backyard and tells us what to do. If its interests here are essential then yes they will have the upper hand. But if their gain here is only marginal whereas for us it is almost life or death then we should be able to dictate whst happens in our backyard. Are you saying we cannot harm them at all so that they will overrule us even for a peny? You may be right. But then as a nation we should work like crazy. America should know if they bring their air carriers to Med then we will destroy at least the half.

 

[Sanchez]

American soldiers were there when we conducted the previous operations

American soldiers were there with us in 2016. But in 2019 in Peace Spring, they pulled back from the operation area 3 days before with Trump's command.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

He is claiming that the footage of T-155 getting hit is old?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1884578967170249169

 

[Sanchez]

He is claiming that the footage of T-155 getting hit is old?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1884578967170249169

He's lying. If it wasn't from yesterday, it was from the day before.

 

[Saithan]

Syria says ready to cooperate with UN if Israel withdraws from demilitarized zone

Israel said Tuesday its army will remain in demilitarized zone in occupied Golan Heights ‘indefinitely’ - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Lool]

The most recent update regarding the talks with the SDF/PKK


Translation:
NEW/IMPORTANT — According to Turkish sources, PKK terrorist organization leader Abdullah Öcalan may release a video message in February calling on the organization to lay down its arms; this could push the SDF in Syria to make concessions.

Turkish officials state that elements within the SDF that have no connection to the PKK terrorist organization can thus be easily integrated into the new military administration under the Syrian Ministry of Defense.

In addition to disarming the SDF, Turkey aims to return Kurdish refugees to northeastern Syria and integrate Kurdish parties opposing the organization into the region.

According to sources, Turkey encouraged Masoud Barzani to meet with Mazlum Abdi, one of the leaders of the organization.

Accordingly, Barzani called on the SDF to cooperate with Damascus and allow other Kurdish parties to have a presence in the region.

According to a Turkish source, Ankara wants the organization's political wing, the PYD, to transform into a national political party that participates in democratic elections and is represented in the national parliament in Damascus.

Last week, Damascus presented the SDF with a draft agreement that aligned with Turkey's demands.

The draft included recognition of Kurdish cultural rights in the new constitution and a decentralized governance system that granted broad rights to local councils.

However, Damascus insists that the SDF must be integrated into national military structures and cannot sustain its presence in non-Kurdish majority areas such as Raqqa.

The SDF rejected the deal, citing the “Turkish threat”; it also wants a share of the oil fields it controls. - Sources/Authorities | Middle East Eye | Al Jazeera -

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1884678929077985297

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

According to a Turkish source, Ankara wants the organization's political wing, the PYD, to transform into a national political party that participates in democratic elections and is represented in the national parliament in Damascus.

?

 

[Anastasius]

This is likely to go down about as well as the Sultan declaring a global jihad against the Triple Entente in WWI - which is to say the SDF will simply laugh it off, brand Ocalan a sell-out and keep on as they were.

Which is probably what Turkish government is counting on, so they can throw their hands up, say "welp, we tried" and then tell TAF to go nuts.

Assuming this is true, of course.

 

[Ryder]

Seriously man what is it with people appeasing the Kurds man.

Esat Oktay Yildiran is greatly missed.

 

[Strong AI]

With how many drones did they attack?
How many times did they try?
If they can easyly destroy stuff at our bases, why don't they do it everyday?
If the situation would be like some members here believe it, wouldn't they release such content like everyday?

 

[Scott Summers]

Keep in mind that Natenyahu will visit Trump soon and will 100% try to force the US troops to remain in Syria since this will keep the PKK alive and in return aid in providing legitimacy for the annexed Syrian lands by Israel. I wont go and say how important and strategic the lands that Israel annexed from Syria are but I will tell you that it will be the bridgehead for annexing more lands in line with the greater Israel project

Finally, Natenyahu needs a victory to remain in power and we all know that he got semi-defeated in Gazza and Lebanon without being able to annex any lands yet.... the Israeli public needs gains on the ground to forgive Natenyahu and keep him in power

There are only 2 ways for Syria to get their occupied lands back from Israel:

1.- Joining the Western camp and become a US-ally, like Jordan and Egypt (the latter only get the Sinai back after they become a US ally at Camp David). Becoming a US ally means American investments and aid.

2.- Go to war with Israel. And Turkey is not ready for that, nor Syria. We need more years.