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As I have written here many times before, when someone looks at psychology of people, mentality, characteristics and history, the picture becomes much clearer.
The massive social psychosis was induced very cunningly into this world, someone can simply manipulate someone into anything.
 

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When you look at the last 20 years, its been USA, Russia, England and France who have all used terrorism as a way to instigate wars and destroy nations. That terrorism that helps their geopolitical ambitions is used as the main weight to dehumanise an entire civilisation.
 
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As I have written here many times before, when someone looks at psychology of people, mentality, characteristics and history, the picture becomes much clearer.
The massive social psychosis was induced very cunningly into this world, someone can simply manipulate someone into anything.

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If you know where to look for it, the people behind the manipulation of the common peasant don't hide what they are doing. For the most part we have hit a period in history where everything is just a show to bring us towards a desired end goal of those that work off the camera.
 
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Well, could you please explain it for us who are interested? I really was out of touch on IS-K. Thought by and large they were done. Had no idea what was going on behind public eyes.

Isis K is not dead.

What makes matters worse Isis K has lots of fighters from Central Asia along with many former Taliban militants who felt disallusioned with the Taliban because they believe the Taliban is not extreme enough.

A lot of them come from Tajik backgrounds.
 

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ISIS-K is basically the original, no compromise member of the Taliban that pledge allegiance to IS and the caliph of IS
 

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If you know where to look for it, the people behind the manipulation of the common peasant don't hide what they are doing. For the most part we have hit a period in history where everything is just a show to bring us towards a desired end goal of those that work off the camera.
Take a look on some videos of Nixon Foundation, Nixon himself said that USA betrayed the Shah yet people think that in essence , they are the enemies.
Take look at the evangelical Christians, Zionists, Shia , Isis and particularly so call Isis of Khorasan , all of those are death cults. According to their beliefs, all those seemingly divergent groups have the same goal.
Even the apparent atheists and so called progressives " infused with the reason and humanism " are very similar.
You see when it comes to abortion , a little prayer " my body, my right " changes the eugenics to the human act. You see it is " just a claster of cells" those when it comes to , let's say caviar, then it is killing the animals.
Psychotic people, so easy to direct and manipulate.
 

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ISIS-K is basically the original, no compromise member of the Taliban that pledge allegiance to IS and the caliph of IS
Original of what exactly? It took just the romantic name from the future Army of Khorasn . Basically, half of those are semi atheists it is just deadly romantic game.
Oh , we have the maps of various Emirates, we ride the camels through desert, a claudron of pilaf is cooking , 27 happy children from the various wifes and slave girls are dancing happy, people are afraid and admire us .
The product when, life long criminals get pathetically enamoured with prosaic romanticism.
All in all , not worth much of analysing.
Basically, you skinn some of them alive publicly, blind, at least partially, their children and wives etc than they will come to their senses.
In Tunisia , after a few bombings on the police, army and civilians, the local population lynched few beards and nikabies , and problem almost disappeared.
 

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By the way, there was a recent case of central Asians paying SNA members to murder an Uyghur in Istanbul in 2020, the Uyghur was whistleblowing on money laundering/smuggling perations from Kyrgyzstan to Turkiye


Enver told police that he had met Adem at a militant training camp in Syria run by a group called Katiba al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (“Brigade of Monotheism and Holy War”). Composed primarily of Uzbeks and men from other Central Asian nations, the organization had previously pledged allegiance to the Al-Nusra Front, the Syrian affiliate of Al-Qaeda.

Enver described Adem as an “administrative manager” with the terrorist group, handling issues such as the purchase of food, drinks, and firearms. Enver said that he himself had spent around five years with the group in Syria, receiving weapons training.

Within weeks of the Istanbul police releasing their summary of the Saimaiti investigation, this company made a donation of nearly $170,000 to a campaign launched by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to help needy citizens during the coronavirus crisis. The company eventually became one of the campaign’s top donors.

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I mean this is not the first time people accuse the U.S of funding and backing terror groups. With all sorts of ridiculous accusations.

I remember a debate between Al Qaeda spokesmen vs an average Joe back then. Hillarious.

 

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I mean this is not the first time people accuse the U.S of funding and backing terror groups. With all sorts of ridiculous accusations.

I remember a debate between Al Qaeda spokesmen vs an average Joe back then. Hillarious.

Dude, that's the Onion 😵
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Well, could you please explain it for us who are interested? I really was out of touch on IS-K. Thought by and large they were done. Had no idea what was going on behind public eyes.
Let's start with the fact that IS is an international organization. They have many branches and supporters around the world. Just as the tradition of Al-Qaeda, IS is a global organization.

We know about ISIS and what was their situation in Iraq and Syria. According to sources they had more than 100.000 terrorists including tens of thousands of foreign fighters from all around the world. Many of these fighters are from countries that experienced totalitarian regimes, oppression against the Muslim communities and that helped ISIS sheikhs proliferate this malign ideology and gain support in such countries like the ex USSR States for example. We know that some of the major nationality groups of the foreign fighters in regions where Islamic State Caucasus Province (ISCP/IS-C) and ISKP have access to are Russian, Tajik, Uzbek, Turkish and less from countries like Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan or Turkmenistan. IS media is playing a crucial role for this as they are spreading propaganda in many of these languages breaking the language barrier.

ISKP, ISCP and Wilayah Turkiya have the biggest share regarding recruitment in the region. The loose border policy among the Turkic countries, the ease of visa conditions among the Turkic countries and Russia is helping a lot for easy migration. In the case of Turkiye we know that illegal migration is a serious problem and there are millions of illegal Afghans and Pakistanis in Turkiye next to the number of residents with citizenships from Central Asian countries. Many of those who are migrating freely have relationship with the relevant branches of IS and many who don't have relationship with IS will be contacted in the countries where they migrated, will be recruited and tasked, waiting for the right moment as lone wolves.

The core cadres of the IS terrorists in these countries is consisted by fighters that returned from Syria. After the IS fall in Iraq and Syria the fighters that had to retreat had to find a new base and what better place than Afghanistan. Remote areas, complicated security environment, access to countries like Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan (the motherlands of many foreign fighters), access to countries like Pakistan, business opportunities (kidnaping), basically a country that waited to be conquered with thousands of possible followers from the region due to poverty, lack of education, lack of State authority and lack of life opportunities. Not only that, but the base for this project was already put with the existing old school ISKP core that consisted of Taliban, Al-Qaeda and whatever other filth comes to your mind at that time. All this scum came together and formed the ISKP. We are talking about weapons, money, trust, respect, hearts and minds, all that is needed to succeed. After these fighters formed the ISKP, after some ups and downs the ISKP slowly, but surely expanded and is currently present in if not all then the most of Afghanistan's provinces. Of course there's no way to succeed without the generous support of the IS-Central and the cooperation with other terrorist organizations from neighbouring countries in recruitment, logistical support and fundraising.

With the developments in recent years we witnessed how the center of IS moved to Afghanistan and the Sahel. The two major branches are ISKP and ISWAP. Both branches are successful in their way, but when we talk about global success and expansion we should note ISKP. ISKP's success in Afghanistan is thanks to small cells operating in non-permissive environment. Trough the last couple of years they are losing power in Afghanistan, but the brand is managing to expand abroad due to the factors that we listed above. The situation is very similar to how analysts explain Al-Qaeda in Lebanon which is not very recognized inside the country, but turned out it became a regional player and even a global brand recognized even in Pakistan. Currently ISKP (Afghanistan) is controlling terrorist cells in all its neighbouring countries, the EU, Russia, Turkiye, the Maldives and it is said that they play a major role in the reviving of the Islamic State India branch. ISKP claimed attacks in India in 2022 and currently the Indian special services are watching closely their activities. Clear example of the ISKP activities in India is an Indian national captured in Afghanistan this month, earlier traveled to Tajikistan not able to answer questions about the reason for his visit.

We already start to understand the reason behind ISKP's expansions to neighbouring countries, but how they reach Russia, the EU, where is the main logistics center? This is very unfortunate for me to say, but the main logistical center that is supporting their activities in this region is Turkiye. After the lack of success of Wilayah Turkiya ISKP took command of the IS activities in Turkiye. Turkiye is a hub where the ease for both illegal and legal migration from all over the world and mainly Afghanistan, Pakistan, Caucasus (north and south), Central Asia makes it perfect for growing such activities. Turkiye is in the center of procuring false documents, transferring of fighters and acquiring weapons and explosives for terrorist attacks. This is the place where all of the branches come together and cooperate face to face. I am 90% sure, but can't prove that the majority of people that took place in terrorism activities in Russia and the EU and which are of Turkic or Tajik descent at some point resided in Turkiye and they were either under ISKP/Wilayah Turkiya protection or were recruited in Turkiye and later tasked and sent wherever is needed. I wouldn't be shocked if the people involved in the terrorist attack in the Crocus City Hall also at some point resided in Turkiye. The situation is so serious that in 2023 ISKP set up a camp in a farm in Istanbul with the aim of training and dispatching terrorist to the US. Yes, to the US! Tens of terrorist attacks by ISKP are prevented yearly in Turkiye and intelligence supplied by the Turkish National Intelligence Organization helps with the prevention of terrorist attacks all over the world. Tens if not hundreds of people are deported yearly which have connections with IS. Together with these deportations, some are judged according to the law, biometric data and intelligence is gathered and shared with partner intelligence services all around the world. Even if that's the case this is simply not enough and the latest attacks are proving this point. Do you know what hurts me the most? It hurts me that the Turkish legal system is so flawed that we capture the terrorists, then the judges are releasing them and after years of "sleep" they return and hit. And we are talking about people of which some are with a criminal background or partner intelligence service already gave a report on them pointing out the danger.

Why ISKP is targeting Russia? Because Russia targeted IS all around the world. Even if IS branches are given big autonomy everything is controlled by the IS central and whatever happens in one part of the world can influence events in other part of the world. Russia targeted IS in Syria, they targeted IS in the Caucasus, they try to impose a sense of fear in the Central Asian countries bordering Afghanistan, trying everything possible to impose a stance where the border security of these countries is tied to the possible presence of Russian troops, they develop close relationship with the Taliban (ISKP biggest opponents in Afghanistan) and last, but not least the Russians made IS furious due to their involvement in Africa (Wagner). IS anti-Russia propaganda was always there, but it took a different level after the Taliban took control over Afghanistan. ISKP even attacked the Russian Embassy in Kabul in 2022. Since then both A'maq and local branches media from India to the Sahel pushed anti-Russian propaganda. And now after the focus of IS propaganda are the activities of IS in Africa, the Russians are in the spotlights more than ever. Or maybe we have to say "in the crosshairs" as target of priority number 1. IS wants to punish Russia and who can punish Russia better than the ISCP in coordination with ISKP? Due to the fact that ISKP is currently the global brand of IS they are receiving support from all around the world, even from the Sahel and the Maldives as I mentioned earlier. They try and try and try until they managed to hit at last. Earlier ISKP managed to hit in Pakistan, Iran, Turkiye and the latest before the attack in Moscow was an attack in Kandahar that took the life of at least 30 people. Who were they going to hit too? They were in preparation to hit the Parliament of Sweden before 2 of their fighters (Afghans) were arrested in Germany. They were going to hit targets in Turkiye before the local elections if not for MIT and the Turkish Police. What I am trying to explain with this is that ISKP don't have any limitations. They are the global brand of the Islamic State. They expand in foreign countries thousands of kilometers away from Afghanistan and attack whoever they think deserves punishment. Yesterday it was Russia, tomorrow it may be France, the Netherlands or China. They attack Turkiye because it is a secular country, Russia because of their fight against IS, the Talibans because of their close relationship with Russia, China because of their treatment of the Uyghurs, Sweden because burning the Holy Quran is legal, France because of their role in Africa, Netherlands just because they are infidels and we can continue with the lists for hours. ISKP is like an aggressive cancer that metastasize no matter the distance or direction and I am not sure how are we going to stop it from spreading taking in account the current environment in all the regions it exists and their problems.

Some people think that this came from nothing. No, it didn't came from nothing. There were many developments that led to this outcome including the overstretching of the Russian FSB due to the war with Ukraine. There were numerous cases from Russia pointing at rise of IS activity from 2023. There were numerous cases in Turkiye pointing at extreme level of organization of ISKP in Turkiye including Russian citizens (mainly Chechens). Also funny claims about that IS don't target Israel while in January this year Israeli security services captured 2 IS terrorists in Jerusalem planning an attack and in 2022 two IS terrorists opened fire at civilians at a bus stop in Hadera, killing 2 and injuring 12.

ISKP is very dangerous. Apart from IS central media structure ISKP media is covering developments in English, French, Somali, Swahili, Pashto, Urdu, Turkish, Spanish, Azerbaijani, Hausa, Bengali, Hindi, Farsi, Uzbek, Tajik, Russian, Dhivehi, Kurdish, Albanian and Tagalog languages. I think this is enough of a sign about what scale we are talking about.
 

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Let's start with the fact that IS is an international organization. They have many branches and supporters around the world. Just as the tradition of Al-Qaeda, IS is a global organization.

We know about ISIS and what was their situation in Iraq and Syria. According to sources they had more than 100.000 terrorists including tens of thousands of foreign fighters from all around the world. Many of these fighters are from countries that experienced totalitarian regimes, oppression against the Muslim communities and that helped ISIS sheikhs proliferate this malign ideology and gain support in such countries like the ex USSR States for example. We know that some of the major nationality groups of the foreign fighters in regions where Islamic State Caucasus Province (ISCP/IS-C) and ISKP have access to are Russian, Tajik, Uzbek, Turkish and less from countries like Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan or Turkmenistan. IS media is playing a crucial role for this as they are spreading propaganda in many of these languages breaking the language barrier.

ISKP, ISCP and Wilayah Turkiya have the biggest share regarding recruitment in the region. The loose border policy among the Turkic countries, the ease of visa conditions among the Turkic countries and Russia is helping a lot for easy migration. In the case of Turkiye we know that illegal migration is a serious problem and there are millions of illegal Afghans and Pakistanis in Turkiye next to the number of residents with citizenships from Central Asian countries. Many of those who are migrating freely have relationship with the relevant branches of IS and many who don't have relationship with IS will be contacted in the countries where they migrated, will be recruited and tasked, waiting for the right moment as lone wolves.

The core cadres of the IS terrorists in these countries is consisted by fighters that returned from Syria. After the IS fall in Iraq and Syria the fighters that had to retreat had to find a new base and what better place than Afghanistan. Remote areas, complicated security environment, access to countries like Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan (the motherlands of many foreign fighters), access to countries like Pakistan, business opportunities (kidnaping), basically a country that waited to be conquered with thousands of possible followers from the region due to poverty, lack of education, lack of State authority and lack of life opportunities. Not only that, but the base for this project was already put with the existing old school ISKP core that consisted of Taliban, Al-Qaeda and whatever other filth comes to your mind at that time. All this scum came together and formed the ISKP. We are talking about weapons, money, trust, respect, hearts and minds, all that is needed to succeed. After these fighters formed the ISKP, after some ups and downs the ISKP slowly, but surely expanded and is currently present in if not all then the most of Afghanistan's provinces. Of course there's no way to succeed without the generous support of the IS-Central and the cooperation with other terrorist organizations from neighbouring countries in recruitment, logistical support and fundraising.

With the developments in recent years we witnessed how the center of IS moved to Afghanistan and the Sahel. The two major branches are ISKP and ISWAP. Both branches are successful in their way, but when we talk about global success and expansion we should note ISKP. ISKP's success in Afghanistan is thanks to small cells operating in non-permissive environment. Trough the last couple of years they are losing power in Afghanistan, but the brand is managing to expand abroad due to the factors that we listed above. The situation is very similar to how analysts explain Al-Qaeda in Lebanon which is not very recognized inside the country, but turned out it became a regional player and even a global brand recognized even in Pakistan. Currently ISKP (Afghanistan) is controlling terrorist cells in all its neighbouring countries, the EU, Russia, Turkiye, the Maldives and it is said that they play a major role in the reviving of the Islamic State India branch. ISKP claimed attacks in India in 2022 and currently the Indian special services are watching closely their activities. Clear example of the ISKP activities in India is an Indian national captured in Afghanistan this month, earlier traveled to Tajikistan not able to answer questions about the reason for his visit.

We already start to understand the reason behind ISKP's expansions to neighbouring countries, but how they reach Russia, the EU, where is the main logistics center? This is very unfortunate for me to say, but the main logistical center that is supporting their activities in this region is Turkiye. After the lack of success of Wilayah Turkiya ISKP took command of the IS activities in Turkiye. Turkiye is a hub where the ease for both illegal and legal migration from all over the world and mainly Afghanistan, Pakistan, Caucasus (north and south), Central Asia makes it perfect for growing such activities. Turkiye is in the center of procuring false documents, transferring of fighters and acquiring weapons and explosives for terrorist attacks. This is the place where all of the branches come together and cooperate face to face. I am 90% sure, but can't prove that the majority of people that took place in terrorism activities in Russia and the EU and which are of Turkic or Tajik descent at some point resided in Turkiye and they were either under ISKP/Wilayah Turkiya protection or were recruited in Turkiye and later tasked and sent wherever is needed. I wouldn't be shocked if the people involved in the terrorist attack in the Crocus City Hall also at some point resided in Turkiye. The situation is so serious that in 2023 ISKP set up a camp in a farm in Istanbul with the aim of training and dispatching terrorist to the US. Yes, to the US! Tens of terrorist attacks by ISKP are prevented yearly in Turkiye and intelligence supplied by the Turkish National Intelligence Organization helps with the prevention of terrorist attacks all over the world. Tens if not hundreds of people are deported yearly which have connections with IS. Together with these deportations, some are judged according to the law, biometric data and intelligence is gathered and shared with partner intelligence services all around the world. Even if that's the case this is simply not enough and the latest attacks are proving this point. Do you know what hurts me the most? It hurts me that the Turkish legal system is so flawed that we capture the terrorists, then the judges are releasing them and after years of "sleep" they return and hit. And we are talking about people of which some are with a criminal background or partner intelligence service already gave a report on them pointing out the danger.

Why ISKP is targeting Russia? Because Russia targeted IS all around the world. Even if IS branches are given big autonomy everything is controlled by the IS central and whatever happens in one part of the world can influence events in other part of the world. Russia targeted IS in Syria, they targeted IS in the Caucasus, they try to impose a sense of fear in the Central Asian countries bordering Afghanistan, trying everything possible to impose a stance where the border security of these countries is tied to the possible presence of Russian troops, they develop close relationship with the Taliban (ISKP biggest opponents in Afghanistan) and last, but not least the Russians made IS furious due to their involvement in Africa (Wagner). IS anti-Russia propaganda was always there, but it took a different level after the Taliban took control over Afghanistan. ISKP even attacked the Russian Embassy in Kabul in 2022. Since then both A'maq and local branches media from India to the Sahel pushed anti-Russian propaganda. And now after the focus of IS propaganda are the activities of IS in Africa, the Russians are in the spotlights more than ever. Or maybe we have to say "in the crosshairs" as target of priority number 1. IS wants to punish Russia and who can punish Russia better than the ISCP in coordination with ISKP? Due to the fact that ISKP is currently the global brand of IS they are receiving support from all around the world, even from the Sahel and the Maldives as I mentioned earlier. They try and try and try until they managed to hit at last. Earlier ISKP managed to hit in Pakistan, Iran, Turkiye and the latest before the attack in Moscow was an attack in Kandahar that took the life of at least 30 people. Who were they going to hit too? They were in preparation to hit the Parliament of Sweden before 2 of their fighters (Afghans) were arrested in Germany. They were going to hit targets in Turkiye before the local elections if not for MIT and the Turkish Police. What I am trying to explain with this is that ISKP don't have any limitations. They are the global brand of the Islamic State. They expand in foreign countries thousands of kilometers away from Afghanistan and attack whoever they think deserves punishment. Yesterday it was Russia, tomorrow it may be France, the Netherlands or China. They attack Turkiye because it is a secular country, Russia because of their fight against IS, the Talibans because of their close relationship with Russia, China because of their treatment of the Uyghurs, Sweden because burning the Holy Quran is legal, France because of their role in Africa, Netherlands just because they are infidels and we can continue with the lists for hours. ISKP is like an aggressive cancer that metastasize no matter the distance or direction and I am not sure how are we going to stop it from spreading taking in account the current environment in all the regions it exists and their problems.

Some people think that this came from nothing. No, it didn't came from nothing. There were many developments that led to this outcome including the overstretching of the Russian FSB due to the war with Ukraine. There were numerous cases from Russia pointing at rise of IS activity from 2023. There were numerous cases in Turkiye pointing at extreme level of organization of ISKP in Turkiye including Russian citizens (mainly Chechens). Also funny claims about that IS don't target Israel while in January this year Israeli security services captured 2 IS terrorists in Jerusalem planning an attack and in 2022 two IS terrorists opened fire at civilians at a bus stop in Hadera, killing 2 and injuring 12.

ISKP is very dangerous. Apart from IS central media structure ISKP media is covering developments in English, French, Somali, Swahili, Pashto, Urdu, Turkish, Spanish, Azerbaijani, Hausa, Bengali, Hindi, Farsi, Uzbek, Tajik, Russian, Dhivehi, Kurdish, Albanian and Tagalog languages. I think this is enough of a sign about what scale we are talking about.

Wow! Thank you for such a detailed response. This is Frankly mind blowing. Had no idea so much was/is going on. Should have kept a track of it. I mean, looks like if this evil cannot be tackled immediately, we may very well return to 2015/2016 like chaos.
 

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@Kartal1 How closely does intelligence agencies cooperate on this? I mean, surely everybody is now better equiped than they were when IS first came out in 2010s? A More coherent institutionalized approach and better integrated framework for cooperation, no?

Also, given the numbers of terrorists directly involed is usually very small in this types of attacks, and in this case US intelligence already knew something was coming, why weren't they able to zeroing on the individuals?
 

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I remember 2.5 years ago, I debated 3 members here, one from Pakistan, one from Malaysia and the other one from Qatar. I argue against the trio that the then newly victorious Taliban is heading for disaster with its CT ops and general handling of thingsand it's just a matter of time before ISKP strikes from the heaven that is Afghanistan. I was met with mockery back then.

This event is a much an IEA failures as Russian FSB failure.
 

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Wow! Thank you for such a detailed response. This is Frankly mind blowing. Had no idea so much was/is going on. Should have kept a track of it. I mean, looks like if this evil cannot be tackled immediately, we may very well return to 2015/2016 like chaos.

Africa is already going in that direction, ISIS will probably take down a government there soon
 

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@Kartal1 How closely does intelligence agencies cooperate on this? I mean, surely everybody is now better equiped than they were when IS first came out in 2010s? A More coherent institutionalized approach and better integrated framework for cooperation, no?

Also, given the numbers of terrorists directly involed is usually very small in this types of attacks, and in this case US intelligence already knew something was coming, why weren't they able to zeroing on the individuals?
The main information sharing platform when it comes to IS is within the US led Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS. The US and members of the Coalition has access to intelligence material and databases which are enriched by every member.

When it comes to foreign fighters there is the Coalition’s Foreign Terrorist Fighter Working Group which is led by the Netherlands, Turkiye and Kuwait. The US only has concluded information-sharing arrangements with over 60 international partners to help identify, track, and deter known and suspected terrorists. Some people ask how the Americans know every time. Yes, they know because when something happens in Uzbekistan or Egypt the local intelligence services first report this to the US. Many don't understand how big is the network of intelligence gathering assets and the scale of cooperation.

When a foreign terrorist is proven and determined as such, information is given to INTERPOL. This is the best and most effective way for information to reach as many countries as possible. According to the Coalition, at least 31 countries use enhanced traveller screening measures which helps identify such terrorists. Again according to the Coalition, partner countries contributed with over 25.000 foreign fighter profiles to INTERPOL. Of course here we are talking about cases in which there is strong intelligence regarding these people's participation in such networks. There are many which are under watch, but the legal system is not allowing for arrests because there is simply not enough proof. Then how so many proven terrorists are moving around freely you would ask? Well, one thing is for sure. Such an individual doesn't have any chance to enter a country which is integrated with the INTERPOL database in a legal way, so these people are relying on false identities and ID forgery is used. I would say that unfortunately Turkiye is in the middle of this. Another factor is how specific is the provided intelligence. For example IS terrorists like to use "kunya" or nickname. If the terrorist in question is referred to with his kunya, the intelligence service may have a problem identifying who is behind this "kunya" or simply nickname.

Especially when it comes to IS-K, there is no enemies. The enemy of my enemy is my friend is the principle. This is why the US (the leader of the Global Coalition) warned Iran before the major attack in Kermanshah, they warned Russia before the latest attack and is not shy to cooperate even with the Taliban.

In the case with Russia, intelligence was shared, but mockingly refused by FSB. They didn't take it seriously and now are trying to throw the blame at Ukraine. While internationally nobody will believe, inside Russia there are enough people that would believe and the authoritarian regime allows for even a new mobilization to be started for the war in Ukraine.
 
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