TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Heartbang]

I hope not. We will be beefing with them in 15 to 20 years. Poland will become the 51(fifty first) state of America soon

More like they'll be beefing with them but lets not talk about it here

 

[Afif]

are you even reading what you wrote? you just called a whole nation ..........!

And Who does mix up something like this in a serious conversation where we are discussing about potential future strategic security arrangement between nation states regarding TFX.

 

[Chocopie]

@Umigami
I doubt that SK will build a 5th gen Block III version of KF-21. A new true 5th gen/5.5 gen stealth fighter would be a complete re-design, especially of airframe (conformal sensors, sawtooth panels, IWB, RAM coating, engines with stealthy nozzles etc.)

1. Keeping it medium-sized as replacement of KF-16V in coming decades. That is something, my best guess, that the Poles would be interested in a cooperation.

2. ROKAF could also pursue a larger stealth aircraft based on experience with KF-21 dubbed KF-XX (or better KF-XL).

 

[Umigami]

@Umigami
I doubt that SK will build a 5th gen Block III version of KF-21. A new true 5th gen/5.5 gen stealth fighter would be a complete re-design, especially of airframe (conformal sensors, sawtooth panels, IWB, RAM coating, engines with stealthy nozzles etc.)

1. Keeping it medium-sized as replacement of KF-16V in coming decades. That is something, my best guess, that the Poles would be interested in a cooperation.

2. ROKAF could also pursue a larger stealth aircraft based on experience with KF-21 dubbed KF-XX (or better KF-XL).

The more reason Indonesia will try get 5th gen like F35 or TFX then. 5th gen is a must for the future.

 

[Kedikesenfare]

I said specifically we need a developed country or we shouldn't share TFX. Pakistan definitely isn't a developed country. Neither economically or socially.

This is a military forum. Your minimum requirement for a potential partner is 'to be a developed country'. So, Pakistan with nuclear weapons, high range missiles, existing experience in the aviation industry due to cooperation with China and arguably the best trained military in South Asia is not suitable to join TFX but Azerbaijan with next to nothing is?! Not to mention the fact that Pakistan would buy probably 150 to 200 birds over the next decade but Azerbaijan all the way, right?

How about you take your racism elsewhere?

 

[Boz]

Your minimum requirement for a potential partner is 'to be a developed country'.

My goodness, such an unreasonable requirement indeed. How dare he.

 

[AWP]

I said specifically we need a developed country or we shouldn't share TFX. Pakistan definitely isn't a developed country. Neither economically or socially.

Bro I am okey with Spain Britan Azerbaijan etc but hell nah Pakistan ain't entering TFX.

Why did you chose Azerbaijan since it doesn't fit your ( developed country ) criteria ? Also what being a develop country have anything to do with joining a military program ?

 

[Boz]

Why did you chose Azerbaijan since it doesn't fit your ( developed country ) criteria ? Also what being a develop country have anything to do with joining a military program ?

Maybe because Azerbaijan have most importantly the financial capacity to support the program in such scenario which makes it useful, not to mention it's Azerbaijan, our literal family.

Read the previous comments, don't clog up the thread further.

 

[Agha Sher]

Maybe because Azerbaijan have most importantly the financial capacity to support the program in such scenario which makes it useful, not to mention it's Azerbaijan, our literal family.

Read the previous comments, don't clog up the thread further.

What financial capacity? Their economy is 73bn with no significant growth. Most of their money is used on the army completely neglecting their Air Force and Navy. (Don’t say they don’t need a Navy, when IRGC is a threat to their energy infrastructure in the Caspian Sea.

At most they could afford ~20 TF-X. Which is nothing. Turkiye needs a serious partner. TF-Xs financial viability depends on Pakistan, Indonesia and KSA. (Countries who could buy more than 100 units)

 

[Boz]

what financial capacity? Their economy is 73bn with no significant growth. Most of their money is used on the army completely neglecting their Air Force and Navy. (Don’t say they don’t need a Navy, when IRGC is a threat to their energy infrastructure in the Caspian Sea.

If only they had some commodity they could offer. Annual Growth Rate in Azerbaijan averaged 7.78 percent from 2001 until 2022. You don't know what you're talking about.

Turkiye needs a serious partner. TF-Xs financial viability depends on Pakistan, Indonesia and KSA. (Countries who could buy more than 100 units)

One last time. It's been said before. Either financially or technically. It's not hard to get. Either way, it's our problem, we'll figure it out.

Read the previous comments, don't clog up the thread further.

 

[Kedikesenfare]

Maybe because Azerbaijan have most importantly the financial capacity to support the program in such scenario which makes it useful, not to mention it's Azerbaijan, our literal family.

Read the previous comments, don't clog up the thread further.

Azerbaijan is NOT rich - by no means!!! This is a myth, a false perception rooted in the fact that Azerbaijan exports natural resources.

The average Azeri is much, much poorer than the average Turkish citizen. Know your facts before you make a claim.

To stay on topic, Azerbaijan has no tech and not enough resources to contribute in a meaningful way to the TFX project.

There's also the risk of losing TFX related secrets to Russia or even Israel. Both countries are relying on apparatchiks within the Azeri state and government. This is not a secret at all.

These are the same people who would sell Turkey in a heartbeat to the highest bidder if it would help secure their power.

Enough with this BS of brotherhood.

 

[AzeriTank]

what financial capacity? Their economy is 73bn with no significant growth. Most of their money is used on the army completely neglecting their Air Force and Navy. (Don’t say they don’t need a Navy, when IRGC is a threat to their energy infrastructure in the Caspian Sea.

At most they could afford ~20 TF-X. Which is nothing. Turkiye needs a serious partner. TF-Xs financial viability depends on Pakistan, Indonesia and KSA. (Countries who could buy more than 100 units)

You forget that Azerbaijan has more than 50 billion$ reserves and its adding up a lot with expensive petrol and gas these days.
But i also agree that Pakistan and others should be also part of it. No need for racism here, we are strong when we are together..

 

[Agha Sher]

You forget that Azerbaijan has more than 50 billion$ reserves and its adding up a lot with expensive petrol and gas these days.
But i also agree that Pakistan and others should be also part of it. No need for racism here, we are strong when we are together..

I have nothing against Azerbaijan. I strongly support the strengthening of Azerbaijan and its relation to Turkey.

However, on this topic, Azerbaijan does just not have the means to become a significant partner in TF-X. I do, however, believe that Azerbaijan will get TF-X in the future.

 

[Zafer]

Here is what the nominal GDP of some countries of interest for TFX look like (IMF estimate for 2022).

 

[AzeriTank]

I have nothing against Azerbaijan. I strongly support the strengthening of Azerbaijan and its relation to Turkiye.

However, on this topic, Azerbaijan does just not have the means to become a significant partner in TF-X. I do, however, believe that Azerbaijan will get TF-X in the future.

Azerbaijan doesnt even care to be partner, they just want to support Turkish army technology, because if Turkey is string, we are strong. They trust Turkey a lot that doesnt even negotiate what to produce in Azerbaijan.

 

[Agha Sher]

Our so-called Pakistani brothers are harrassing our women here. I think thats enough to not give them TFX. At least Azerbaycan is our true brother.

And no, Pakistan isnt' developed just because they have nuclear weapons. They have the least powerfull ones in the world. Their most powerful warhead achieved only 8-9kt of yield. And they dont have any reliable delivery vehicle at this point. Also nah they don't have any aerospace either that JF-17 is entirely built by Chinese. Designed by Chinese, radar and avionics from China, weapons from China, engine from Russia. Only thing they do in that jet is aluminum body. It is not a Pakistani jet but a Chinese.

the fact that they have only 8-9kt and no reliable delivery method is simply not true. On the contrary, they have one of the most advanced nuclear arsenal with large nukes and tactical nukes.

 

[Zafer]

How much a country will spend on fighter planes is totally up to the priorities of the country and the amount of their disposable income and savings.

 

[Eagleeye]

Our so-called Pakistani brothers are harrassing our women here. I think thats enough to not give them TFX. At least Azerbaycan is our true brother.

stop derailing the topic with this bullshit

 

[Baryshx]

This is a military forum. Your minimum requirement for a potential partner is 'to be a developed country'. So, Pakistan with nuclear weapons, high range missiles, existing experience in the aviation industry due to cooperation with China and arguably the best trained military in South Asia is not suitable to join TFX but Azerbaijan with next to nothing is?! Not to mention the fact that Pakistan would buy probably 150 to 200 birds over the next decade but Azerbaijan all the way, right?

How about you take your racism elsewhere?

Don't attribute everything to racism. Pakistan is a poor country with low education level and a bad economy. Azerbaijan is closer to this business due to economic and fraternal reasons. Other countries may not be partners, but they can buy. It's already too late for technical partnership, they can only support economically

 

[TheInsider]

Azerbaijan is on its way to breaking free from Russian chains and we are literally overseeing that process. Turkish general is an advisor to the chief of staff of Azerbaijani armed forces. A lot of Russian agents and Russophiles are cleared from the state apparatus of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan will get any hardware the Turkish armed forces have and will have.

Without Azerbaijan, there is no Organization of Turkic states not only Azerbaijan is our kin but also it is a gate that opens to Central Asia and the Caucasus.