TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Crush716]

Correction: The protocol visit will be conducted by an international client. MMU project will be marketed to customer. (My guess is that a partner is sought for the project)

What happened to going on our own?

 

[Ecderha]

Correction: The protocol visit will be conducted by an international client. MMU project will be marketed to customer. (My guess is that a partner is sought for the project)

"international client." I really hope that this client are from following country -> All Turk countries, Pakistan, Qatar, Indonesia, Philippines, S.Korea, Bangladesh.


Any other country or especially WEST is actually really bad idea now.
They do not care about product as they can be part of it or buy it.
They need clear pictures what is the potential of Turkiye at moment/present. To get some answers to understand what are the plans of Turkiye
To make real estimation of RISK for them etc.

 

[Afif]

Correction: The protocol visit will be conducted by an international client. MMU project will be marketed to customer. (My guess is that a partner is sought for the project)

Any specific guess, who can that be?

 

[Bogeyman]

Any specific guess, who that can be?

I haven't heard anything yet. We'll know if it's announced tomorrow.

 

[Xenon54]

"international client." I really hope that this client are from following country -> All Turk countries, Pakistan, Qatar, Indonesia, Philippines, S.Korea, Bangladesh.


Any other country or especially WEST is actually really bad idea now.
They do not care about product as they can be part of it or buy it.
They need clear pictures what is the potential of Turkiye at moment/present. To get some answers to understand what are the plans of Turkiye
To make real estimation of RISK for them etc.

If you are afraid of leaking capabilities then you leave cooperation alltogether, things like this dont work on trust basis, the only exception would be Azerbaijan here but that is a very special case anyways.

 

[Ecderha]

If you are afraid of leaking capabilities they you leave cooperation alltogether, things like this dont work on trus basis, the only exception woulkd be Azerbaijan here but that is a very special case anyways.

It is not about afraid thing at all.
It is about " very special case". For them Turkiye is very special case, they not Trust Turks.
Also Trust basis is building blocks of each other. When other side already say to Turks that they must obey. Turk must understand that and stop lying themself that There is Trust thingy.

It is about Turkiye hard work which providing one of Independent, Defending, Freedom Blocks own Turkiye nations.
Please be mature and stop expect that psudo allies care about Turks. They do NOT. They show it this to Turkiye many times. It is all about what they think about situation and what Turkiye think about it. It show that results are always the same they side with you enemy.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Any specific guess, who can that be?

Saudi Arabia. They were in MKEK today.

 

[Chocopie]

Saudi Arabia. They were in MKEK today.

Saudis like saws in general

 

[Umigami]

Dual F110-GE-129F engines were integrated into the MMU prototype. And the engines were tested.

Isnt it going a little bit too fast, we saw just a airframe not even a month ago.

Isn't this too fast?
KF21 did their engine test after prototype pretty much complete.

 

[kenny]

I think differently from most people. I think the first flight will be taken to an earlier date.

 

[Boz]

MMU project will be marketed to customer. (My guess is that a partner is sought for the project)

Not sure about the validity of this rumour. We'll see.

Isn't this too fast?
KF21 did their engine test after prototype pretty much complete.

Yeah pretty normal.

 

[Agha Sher]

MMU shouldn't be offered to anyone for this point. There isn't any developed country who would want to join the program. And yeah we are not going to take useless countries to program. We shouldn't.

Turkiye is not interested in technical support but rather sharing the financial cost burden. Remember that even the finest war machines developed are worth nothing if they are not financially viable. If Turkiye could get either Pakistan or Indonesia onboard with a commitment to purchase at least 100 TF-X, it would bring the cost per unit down significantly.

 

[Boykaz]

Düzeltme: Protokol ziyareti uluslararası bir müşteri tarafından gerçekleştirilecektir. MMU projesi müşteriye pazarlanacaktır. (Tahminim proje için ortak aranıyor)

Maybe poland

because It looks like a military confidentiality agreement was signed with Poland yesterday.

 

[Siper>MMU]

Belki polonya

Çünkü Dün Polonya ile bir askeri gizlilik anlaşması imzalanmış gibi görünüyor.

They are interested in KF-21.

 

[Crush716]

Maybe poland

because It looks like a military confidentiality agreement was signed with Poland yesterday.

I hope not. We will be beefing with them in 15 to 20 years. Poland will become the 51(fifty first) state of America soon

 

[Afif]

Turkiye is not interested in technical support but rather sharing the financial cost burden. Remember that even the finest war machines developed are worth nothing if they are not financially viable. If Turkiye could get either Pakistan or Indonesia onboard with a commitment to purchase at least 100 TF-X, it would bring the cost per unit down significantly.

Bro, possibility of Pakistan and Indonesia being on board is pretty low.
Indonesia got its hand full with KFX program. i dont think they got enough funding to be in two programs of this size simultaneously. on top of that KFX will gradually evolve into a 5th gen platform.
So, why not stick with it.

and when it comes to Pakistan, they are likely to go with Chinese option for cost and operational benefit.

however, the likely buyers will be Qatar, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan.

and the possible buyers would be Morocco, KSA, BD, Malaysia.

but all this talk practically after 2030.
lets bide our time for the next decade.

 

[Xenon54]

Please be mature and stop expect that psudo allies care about Turks.

Im gonna leave this without a comment since you clearly dont read my post or simply didnt understand it.

Isn't this too fast?

Seems to me too, unless they work in 24h shifts its a way tight schedule from a bare structure to integration of two engines with all their sub systems.

 

[Umigami]

on top of that KFX will gradually evolve into a 5th gen platform.
So, why not stick with it.

I personally see TFX as 5th gen heavy fighter and Boramae as 5th gen Medium.
So yeah it's still possible for Indonesia to be a customer by mid 2030 or 2040.

But as development partner? No I don't think so.

 

[Umigami]

Correction: The protocol visit will be conducted by an international client. MMU project will be marketed to customer.

Btw Indonesian MoD, Air Force, Army and Navy did visit Turkiye in Tuesday. Is it possible?

Paket lengkap AD, AL dan AU juga dari MoD

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[what]

In the grand scheme of things no one cares about your feelings towards one country or the other. None of the naysayers and cherry pickers for exports think strategic enough or even business oriented. We're building a completely new aircraft, with little prior experience. We should be happy to have potential customers. Since they would be taking a huge risk in buying, please excuse the analogy, a proven record Mercedes EV vs a TOGG made car.

France is not allied with half of the countries it sells aircraft to. Why would we have to? They sell and reek in the funds for new endeavors.

To much negativity. Bad relations with countries can be mended with a good defence deal.