TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Nilgiri]

Do you know why the Russian engines gave black smoke? Because they found that fat and short combustion chambers worked best for their compressor design. After Safran helped them they managed to correct some of that shortcoming.
Our engines are designed with western tech. They probably will not give black smoke. Both TS1400 and TF6000 first ignition photos don’t show any black smoke.
Should TF35000 give black smoke, neither you nor I will know about it anyway. Also it is not the end of the world. It may be a mixture or injector fault. Today’s FADEC assisted engines control compressor and fuel injectors to give best and optimum mixture.

Boils down to insufficient capital investment (incl the RnD) needed in tail end of USSR days (about 80s onwards and then with russia inherited what it did in 90s onwards from this inertia/malaise). So short cut fix arounds with consultancy are there like you mention, but essentially the underlying capital machinery and process control is well behind Western ecosystem (which has its massive commercial expanse its deployed in for continued RnD feedback loop, past the smaller military one) now. Black smoke is just one thing you see, there is the availability rates (i.e MRO downtimes, MTBO etc) for the engines too, failure rates and so on.

If Turkey mostly relies on/leverages on western capital machinery + tooling and process control it has accumulated, it should be up to date. Rest depends on optimisation, lot of testing and refining a design.

 

[Saithan]

But we seriously need to put those engines on a platform and test the begeasus out of them.

An uav for tf6000, another for tf10000 and test them out. Once you have 1000 flighthour on them some creative dude or company may find a use for those engines. If they can afford it

 

[boredaf]

But we seriously need to put those engines on a platform and test the begeasus out of them.

An uav for tf6000, another for tf10000 and test them out. Once you have 1000 flighthour on them some creative dude or company may find a use for those engines. If they can afford it

They simply cannot do that before they complete the ground testing for both engines, individually. Even if nothing goes wrong, I highly doubt we are going to see anything fly with them in a year at least. Check out the testing processes for other engines if you want, it takes a lot of time and for a good reason.

TF35K will go through all these tests as well, best keep that in mind and keep your expectations in check.

 

[Sanchez]

The first of the next two prototypes of Turkey’s Kaan indigenous combat aircraft has moved into the system integration phase ahead of plans to fly in spring 2026...

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) officials said the two prototypes are in an advanced state of structural assembly and work is underway on system integration in the company’s Kaan final assembly line here in Ankara. A ground test vehicle also is in production....

The Turkish Air Force wants the 34-metric-ton fighter to replace its large fleet of Lockheed Martin F-16s in the coming years, with the first batch of around 20 aircraft reaching Turkish Air Force service in 2029. These Blk. 10 aircraft will have a limited operational envelope that will be expanded as testing progresses. TAI’s Ankara factory will be able to output eight aircraft per year, but officials are now mulling the scale of the facilities that will be required to achieve full-rate production.

Turkish Aerospace's Kaan Prototype Moves Into System Integration Phase | Aviation Week Network

The first of the next two prototypes of Turkey’s TAI Kaan combat aircraft has moved into the system integration phase ahead of plans to fly in spring 2026.

aviationweek.com

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966072766907691455

Consider the news from the French military news website:

"The biggest threat to the French Rafale comes from the KAAN, the 5th-generation Turkish fighter jet being developed across the Mediterranean.

The KAAN is a Turkish stealth (future) fighter jet poised to challenge the Rafale.

A 3.3-ton fuselage awaits its cockpit in hangars in Ankara. With the KAAN program, Turkey is paving the way for a 5th-generation fighter jet. This new-generation aircraft could be a much more genuine rival for the French Rafale than the now-unattainable F-35."

Yes, Mr. Selim, we invite you to the stage.
@kuneralpS

Source: forum-militaire.fr/le-plus-grand-…

 

[mTT]

TUSAŞ General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu:

We will see KAAN's first prototype in the skies at the end of April.

April is the month we have set as our target.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1968336460852904035

 

[Huelague]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1968336460852904035

The first prototype?

 

[mTT]

The first prototype?

The KAAN that carried out the flight was the P0 prototype.

The prototype that was not supposed to fly flew twice.

 

[Boz]

Ladies & gentlemen ​

 

[2033]

 

[NEKO]

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Side weapon bay?

 

[Iskander]

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It appears the decision was made to leave KAAN's nose as it was at birth. At such a young age, it's too early for plastic surgery

 

[Strong AI]

Looks like they will also test MURAD 600 with P1.

 

[Huelague]

Ladies & gentlemen ​

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Ladies und Gentlemans, what?

 

[Rooxbar]

Ladies und Gentlemans, what?

The new prototype is in the back.

 

[cr33pt3d]

the nose does not look the same to me ! seems wider, smaller from the P0. could be image distortion

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1972029334543339939

 

[Deliorman]

Congrats on Altay 2.0. So the US Congress stopped the export of engines for Kaan… but Erdo still gave 100$ billion for overpriced American gas and junk Boeing planes. All Turkey won is for Erdo to sit next to Trump for two hours in front of the cameras.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1972029334543339939

 

[hugh]

The engine embargo was to be expected. The chances of us getting them were always slim. Now that it's certain, it puts first operational units of KAAN to 7 years away, to 2032, at earliest. So it'll be a long, painful road.

In the mean time, our main focus should be getting TF6k/10k off the ground as soon as possible. We'll have to make do with KIZILELMA and ANKA 3, in addition to ÖZGÜR-2 upgrade. We'll need to be creative and find ways to counter the qualitative edge of Greek and Israeli air forces. We'll have no shortage of the advanced sensors in our toolbox. We'll just somehow have to invent a new CONOPS and find an edge against our well-supplied foes.

Having said that, why the fuck are we buying american gas and planes? why are we eating so much shit even when we're getting nothing in return?

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Don't waste any more energy on countries like that. Get the WS 10 C or D engine directly from Pakistan over China. It is almost nearly identical to the CFM56/F-101 Family -> F-110 engine in terms of size, weight, diameter and LBF, it also has FADEC. It's just a transitional engine anyway.