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This guy can't even keep basic facts straight: dates of embargoes, missile ranges, etc. It's a shame such lowest common denominator sources are so popular...
Excellent point; there's this phenomenon when people read about stuff they know about in the media, they recognize that the topic has been handled very poorly. Then they go on to trust the same newspaper, or source on other topics that they are less knowledgable about, forgetting that these new topics are themselves areas of interest to other people who feel the same about them.Continuing my rant, I'd like to propose an English language wiki (free from idiotic Wikipedia mods) headed by a babayiğit from this forum on cutting-edge Turkish defence projects—starting with the KAAN. I'd like to envision it as a neutral, leading source of truth on open-source info on such projects. For instance, describe KAAN's novel EO suite, its computer architecture, ASELSAN's R&D on radar absorbing materials/structures. People jump to conclusions and say "it remains to be seen if Turkey has the capability to do the software, sensors, networking, advanced materials, powerplant etc." because info on very serious R&D being done on these very issues isn't readily available without digging through forums like DefenceHub and Secret Projects.
I don't have the time to set it up (e.g. on Fandom) or draft it, but I'd be willing to contribute parts if some brave soul actually takes the initiative. Cheers.
sad and hard part is that we need to fight against Wikibots of Armenia-Greece-India and possibly some US origin. I -and others- can help people here with open source data for sensors, architecture etc but it is near impossible when you have those Wikibots working against youContinuing my rant, I'd like to propose an English language wiki (free from idiotic Wikipedia mods) headed by a babayiğit from this forum on cutting-edge Turkish defence projects—starting with the KAAN. I'd like to envision it as a neutral, leading source of truth on open-source info on such projects. For instance, describe KAAN's novel EO suite, its computer architecture, ASELSAN's R&D on radar absorbing materials/structures. People jump to conclusions and say "it remains to be seen if Turkey has the capability to do the software, sensors, networking, advanced materials, powerplant etc." because info on very serious R&D being done on these very issues isn't readily available without digging through forums like DefenceHub and Secret Projects.
I don't have the time to set it up (e.g. on Fandom) or draft it, but I'd be willing to contribute parts if some brave soul actually takes the initiative. Cheers.
Continuing my rant, I'd like to propose an English language wiki (free from idiotic Wikipedia mods) headed by a babayiğit from this forum on cutting-edge Turkish defence projects—starting with the KAAN. I'd like to envision it as a neutral, leading source of truth on open-source info on such projects. For instance, describe KAAN's novel EO suite, its computer architecture, ASELSAN's R&D on radar absorbing materials/structures. People jump to conclusions and say "it remains to be seen if Turkey has the capability to do the software, sensors, networking, advanced materials, powerplant etc." because info on very serious R&D being done on these very issues isn't readily available without digging through forums like DefenceHub and Secret Projects.
I don't have the time to set it up (e.g. on Fandom) or draft it, but I'd be willing to contribute parts if some brave soul actually takes the initiative. Cheers.
Largely agree with you. However, we need to devote such organized method to unfuck the Wikipedia articles and fight the Greek-Armenian-Indian lobbies there.Continuing my rant, I'd like to propose an English language wiki (free from idiotic Wikipedia mods) headed by a babayiğit from this forum on cutting-edge Turkish defence projects—starting with the KAAN. I'd like to envision it as a neutral, leading source of truth on open-source info on such projects. For instance, describe KAAN's novel EO suite, its computer architecture, ASELSAN's R&D on radar absorbing materials/structures. People jump to conclusions and say "it remains to be seen if Turkey has the capability to do the software, sensors, networking, advanced materials, powerplant etc." because info on very serious R&D being done on these very issues isn't readily available without digging through forums like DefenceHub and Secret Projects.
I don't have the time to set it up (e.g. on Fandom) or draft it, but I'd be willing to contribute parts if some brave soul actually takes the initiative. Cheers.
He isn't talking aobut doing stuff on wikipedia. He means a little wiki dedicated to defence projects.Largely agree with you. However, we need to devote such organized method to unfuck the Wikipedia articles and fight the Greek-Armenian-Indian lobbies there.
Normally, governments assemble teams of editors to do that work, but since our state shows deficiency in that regard, I think it is up to us Patriots of this Motherland to do that job.
We need a thread to organize such efforts.
Let's do some fact checking 1st. https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4789177.html 21 Su-57s are already in service where the total 76 in 2028 is currently going as planned even with the newer engines and avionics. https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/19644585?ysclid=lueoah5kei333331264 Now 10 or more Su-57s by the end of this year will have the 2nd stage engines, even if the current Su-57s have the 1st stage there were plans to give them 2nd stage engines while using those 1st stage engines for newer Su-35s. https://tass.com/defense/1323823 in 2025 the next batch will receive those 2nd stage engines but also with upgraded cockpit and newer avionicsThe design of a promising multi-role fighter to replace the Su-27 and MiG-31 began in the USSR in the late 1970s. On July 5, 1981, a resolution was issued by the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR on the deployment of a Targeted Comprehensive Program for the creation of such fighters.
In the late 1990s, the Sukhoi Design Bureau won a competition to create a promising fifth-generation front-line aviation complex (PAK FA) for the Russian Air Force. The project of the aircraft, designated T-50, has been developed since 1999. The preliminary design was ready by the fall of 2004.
The first flight prototype of the T-50 took off on January 29, 2010. To date, only 16 flying copies have been manufactured.
Even after 20 years of development and 15 years after its first flight, the Su57 is still not a 5th generation fighter. They fly with the old AL 41 F1 engine, developed on the basis of the AL31F engine, created back in 1984 in the USSR.
Russian officials once again promise that the new engine for the Su57 will be ready by 2028.
By 2028, 10 to 20 KAAN will be manufactured. Then the domestic engine must be ready for this.
I have been following the development of both fighters from the very beginning, and, in my opinion, the Russians will simply stop production of the SU57, as happened with their “new generation” tank, the Armata. The Russians have apparently abandoned the Su57 and are already announcing that they are developing a sixth-generation fighter. This is another Russian folk tale.
Let me remind you that the first production Su57 fell and crashed during its first flight in 2019.
When entire squadrons of KAAN appear in the sky, the Russians on the ground in their worthless SU will look at them with envy
Over Turkey"Turkish skies", what part of the sky is that.
Source gives a rough estimate of that. https://masterok.livejournal.com/267227.html?ysclid=lufzfuj9ed528138241@blackjack, the ranges for su 27 and 57 you have mentionned, are not combat radius I suppose. What are their combat radius with a mediocre payload?
MBDA Meteor and MBDA SPEAR-3?
How much credibility one can attach to a Wikipedia based source is highly questionable.
They were already listed as potentially compatible weapons for export customers way back in 2021.MBDA Meteor and MBDA SPEAR-3?
The Turkish MIC articles in Wikipedia are woefully out of date in general. We need organized collective effort to fix that.How much credibility one can attach to a Wikipedia based source is highly questionable.
With that in mind this information says that the indigenous KAAN engine production is in the hands of TAEC. Probably insinuating in between the lines that TEI and Kale will be employed to produce a TAEC designed engine under the auspices of TR-Motor and TEI.
That does however, overlaps well with @Cabatli_TR ’s posts on KAAN indigenous engine.
As this is a most important strategic piece of equipment, its development and details concerning its due production will be kept under wraps for a while.
Mouthpieces like Kotil and previously Demir, have iterated their statements on the 2028 deadline for the indigenous engine many times. That makes one think that they know more than us and not letting enough info to seep through.
They were already listed as potentially compatible weapons for export customers way back in 2021.
The Turkish MIC articles in Wikipedia are woefully out of date in general. We need organized collective effort to fix that.
MIC ??The Turkish MIC articles
Military industrial complex.MIC ??
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