TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Manomed]

Not really
As long as Turkey get ToT and Co-production of S400s, then the deal is obviousky better. However, if not, then the F35 as a deal is better
The only thing that made me happy about foresaking the F35 deal is that the TSK was planning to replace all of its fleet with F35. If such a scenario did happen, then the US would have had Turkish Airforce by the balls

They still have us by the balls? Our entire fleet is composed of F16s lol

US bad russia good

 

[Huelague]

Can Turkey export, F-35?
Does the money stay in the country with the F-35?
Can TuAF upgrade it whenever it‘s needed?
Does our technological capabilities grow?
Do we have full independence with the F-35?

I would choose a more expensive TFX any day over the F-35 and all the other free surprises it comes with for example possible embargoes for spareparts, tool used as political pressure, spying…

Dude, that’s not the point. You would even pay $ 200 mio. Because you are not the one who pays for the jet. But my point is, our future customers. Who will be able to pay $ 100 mio for a single fighter jet?

 

[Lool]

They still have us by the balls? Our entire fleet is composed of F16s lol

US bad russia good

No not really
Certainly, Turkish fleet is mainly composed of F16s; however, Turks can use it whenever and wherever they want. When the US wanted to cripple turkish F16s, they embargoes weapons and Turkey responded by making its own F16s ammunitions.
For the F35, it is a bit different. From what I know, all F35s' mission computers or OS (or something similar) are connected to the US defense ministry and Pentagon; and that includes the ones being sold abroad as well. Apparently, The US does have the right to disable the mission computer or something of any F35 in any country worldwide; thus, if the US did so to Turkey, Turkey will have over 200 metal junks worth billions on the runway as they cant be activated and the airforce would be effectively crippled

 

[Huelague]

F35 bad s400 good

We would not get the F-35, even we give back the S-400. it’s just an excuse. CAATSA is an US law to hit everybody who act against US interests. They would find an another excuse to hold back the F-35.

 

[Huelague]

They still have us by the balls? Our entire fleet is composed of F16s lol

US bad russia good

One day you will grow up and will realize that both are bad.

 

[Manomed]

We would not get the F-35, even we give back the S-400. it’s just an excuse. CAATSA is an US law to hit everybody who act against US interests. They would find an another excuse to hold back the F-35.

s400 is just a Russian trojan same as the F-35 according everyone we couldn't use the F35 lmao are we using S-400? they are still unactive and staying in a air base

 

[Huelague]

s400 is just a Russian trojan same as the F-35 according everyone we couldn't use the F35 lmao are we using S-400? they are still unactive and staying in a air base

You are a fakking genius. I would tell this to SSB or TSK, that the S-400 is a Trojan horse. Before they activate the Trojan horse.

 

[CAN_TR]

Dude, that’s not the point. You would even pay $ 200 mio. Because you are not the one who pays for the jet. But my point is, our future customers. Who will be able to pay $ 100 mio for a single fighter jet?

The one who pays for it is the state itself for a product that is designed, developed and produced by your owned company which is involing your own engineers and blue collar workers.

The money stays in your country it doesn‘t flow into the pockets of foreigners, you develop your own Industry, educate your own engineers and gain Technology for the future.

But all you care about is the price difference. TFX is a long term investment…

 

[Huelague]

The one who pays for it is the state itself for a product that is designed, developed and produced by your owned company which is involing your own engineers and blue collar workers.

The money stays in your country it doesn‘t flow into the pockets of foreigners, you develop your own Industry, educate your own engineers and gain Technology for the future.

But all you care about is the price difference. TFX is a long term investment…

TFX will payed by tax payers. Hürjet by the company itselfs. It’s easy to talk about „other people money“ as long as you don’t pay. That’s why Turkish Citizen in Turkey are pissed of gurbetci like us. „It doesn’t matter how much it will cost,” as long as you can walk like a proud cock on the streets within Europe. Okay, what about the future customers?

 

[Fairon]

Not really
As long as Turkey get ToT and Co-production of S400s, then the deal is obviousky better. However, if not, then the F35 as a deal is better
The only thing that made me happy about foresaking the F35 deal is that the TSK was planning to replace all of its fleet with F35. If such a scenario did happen, then the US would have had Turkish Airforce by the balls

Not really. F35 always planned to be operated with MMU. Only difference is F35 should be the cheaper aircraft while the MMU will be the expensive one(hi-lo concept)

In fact F35 being that expensive likely would altered the numbers that we buy even if we didn't kicked out of the project.

 

[Lool]

Not really. F35 always planned to be operated with MMU. Only difference is F35 should be the cheaper aircraft while the MMU will be the expensive one(hi-lo concept)

In fact F35 being that expensive likely would altered the numbers that we buy even if we didn't kicked out of the project.

That would have been done at least by 2035
Lets not forget that the govt did initially plan to depend completely on the F35 for the next decade or so
This is supported by the fact that when Erdo was kicked out of the program, he did state that the best response was to SPEED UP the program and when TAI speeded up the program, the earliest the prototype will be by 2023 with a foreign engine

 

[Manomed]

That would have been done at least by 2035
Lets not forget that the govt did initially plan to depend completely on the F35 for the next decade or so
This is supported by the fact that when Erdo was kicked out of the program, he did state that the best response was to SPEED UP the program and when TAI speeded up the program, the earliest the prototype will be by 2023 with a foreign engine

pure bs You can't make fifth generation jet till 2023

 

[TheInsider]

$100 mio unit cost, while F-35 cost ~ € 80 mio.

This is a great price for LRIP fighters. We are basically making a stealth F-15. It is a steal for that price.

 

[Ecderha]

Can Turkey export, F-35?
Does the money stay in the country with the F-35?
Can TuAF upgrade it whenever it‘s needed?
Does our technological capabilities grow?
Do we have full independence with the F-35?

I would choose a more expensive TFX any day over the F-35 and all the other free surprises it comes with for example possible embargoes for spareparts, tool used as political pressure, spying…

"$100 mio unit cost, while F-35 cost ~ € 80 mio. "
Acutally it is not 80mil it is start from ~130mio. IF and only if you are PARTNER of the program.

If you are not then We can agree that the price is What ever usa and other side agreed.
But Main think WILL STAY -> It is not you OWN platform. Even more IT is Advanced platform which HAVE many Sensors compared with Common Fighters (f-16,F-14,F-18) and It is sending this data as Stream in usa military Network.
In other WORDS you HAVE Agreed to Buy Troy Horses which WILL KEEP Screwing you Own Military Tactics All time.

 

[Ecderha]

F35 bad s400 good

You did NOT get it at all.

Turkiye was Pushed to corner by usa and they give Ultimatum.
Turkiye made a unexpected move! at leasт back then usa do not expect that Turkiye is ready to do this move.
You can compare It like NorthCypres decision years back then.
One of the Steps were to HAVE Platforms/Tools which will increase the RISK for usa and it was s400.
So called Standoff of usa ultimatum
And usa crying still about s400 is the FACT

 

[Ecderha]

pure bs You can't make fifth generation jet till 2023

You right Turkiye CAN not make it.
So you are happy?
usa happy?

So to cover other side of the coin which is also "the reality". Which you dont want to believe, then what will you gonna do?

 

[Huelague]

This is a great price for LRIP fighters. We are basically making a stealth F-15. It is a steal for that price.

I am afraid amend of customers. We need partners.

 

[Spook]

You right Turkiye CAN not make it.
So you are happy?
usa happy?

So to cover other side of the coin which is also "the reality". Which you dont want to believe, then what will you gonna do?

I keep seeing comments similar to Manomed's in social media platforms. Perception largely has to do with lack of ability by government agencies and companies to inform properly. Social media accounts share limited to on events, holidays. I started reading about fighter aircraft and fighter programs out of interest to compare to MMU's feasibility. Looking for 1 question and I had 20 more. Most I couldn't find proper sources. I learned about some of the unanswered questions only thanks to Arda Mevlutoglu's writings, podcast. Interviews are done with the question and answer format. But interviewers are never qualified to ask questions. They keep asking the same bad questions over and over again.

 

[Huelague]

pure bs You can't make fifth generation jet till 2023

You?
Btw, have you seen the interview with Kotil.

 

[Saithan]

I keep seeing comments similar to Manomed's in social media platforms. Perception largely has to do with lack of ability by government agencies and companies to inform properly. Social media accounts share limited to on events, holidays. I started reading about fighter aircraft and fighter programs out of interest to compare to MMU's feasibility. Looking for 1 question and I had 20 more. Most I couldn't find proper sources. I learned about some of the unanswered questions only thanks to Arda Mevlutoglu's writings, podcast. Interviews are done with the question and answer format. But interviewers are never qualified to ask questions. They keep asking the same bad questions over and over again.

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Lacking transparency I can understand due to critical systems and the region we're in. But doesn't change that you can be mum and still have highly professional security, procurement process etc. and such.

Turkey is in the 2nd last category, and I don't think the risks are overstated tbh.

But too many are missing the damn point. Building our own jet, Hürjet is the single most important achievement we must succeed. And the later models must fly with our own jet engine!

TFX comes later,

and 5th later and 6th much later