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Holy sh*t that's the assembly facility!

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This is how close they are. In theory you're right, they're literally a couple of meters away from each other. But the MMU engineering building itself is pretty isolated. It also has to be within TAI y'know. You can't just have it stationed miles away from the facilities, that would generate more problems. We would also have to construct an entire runway for that plane. Imagine that.
 

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The goal should be to replace every single F-16 in inventory with an TF-X in the first 10 years of production start.

I think once LRIP starts the first year they will be able to deliver 4-6 Planes to the Air Force after that the number of planes should gradually go up. Hitting 2 Planes per Month for the 3rd year would be perfect.

6+12+24+24+24+24+24+24+24+24= 210 TF-X in 10 years.

After that the goal should be to enlarged the fleet.

enough to replace the F-16 fleet by the time most airframes will have to be slowly retired.

until our fleet has grown big enough there shouldn’t be any exports

Of course all of this hinges on the engine development and how fast the engines can be produced.
Meanwhile if the navy is serious about an aircraft carrier for the 2040s development should be started for a naval version of the TF-X.
 
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The goal should be to replace every single F-16 in inventory with an TF-X in the first 10 years of production start.

I think once LRIP starts the first year they will be able to deliver 4-6 Planes to the Air Force after that the number of planes should gradually go up. Hitting 2 Planes per Month for the 3rd year would be perfect.

6+12+24+24+24+24+24+24+24+24= 210 TF-X in 10 years.

After that the goal should be to enlarged the fleet.

enough to replace the F-16 fleet by the time most airframes will have to be slowly retired.

until our fleet has grown big enough there shouldn’t be any exports

Of course all of this hinges on the engine development and how fast the engines can be produced.
Meanwhile if the navy is serious about an aircraft carrier for the 2040s development should be started for a naval version of the TF-X.
F16 will serve another 40 year with TFX fighters. F16 will be our Air to ground fighter.
 

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guess the '''engine production'' rate will be the main determinant for MMU production, everthing is possible but 24 airframes per year is a good number. just as an example Eurojet delivered around 1000 EJ200 in almost 20 years

 
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guess the '''engine production'' rate will be the main determinant for MMU production, everthing is possible but 24 airframes per year is a good number. just as an example Eurojet delivered around 1000 EJ200 in almost 20 years

Temel Kotil has repeatedly said that in an emergency situation they can increase production rate to 10-15 planes a month. He always quotes 2 planes per month, as it is the sort of number that could be financed by a cash strapped country like ours. He says the same 2 per month for Anka and T-129 production. But in reality we have never produced of these more than a dozen or so in any one given year.
 

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Temel Kotil has repeatedly said that in an emergency situation they can increase production rate to 10-15 planes a month. He always quotes 2 planes per month, as it is the sort of number that could be financed by a cash strapped country like ours. He says the same 2 per month for Anka and T-129 production. But in reality we have never produced of these more than a dozen or so in any one given year.

It's good to note that he was referencing frames of the aircraft, he has no control over engine, electronics, or sensor production rate.
 

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It's good to note that he was referencing frames of the aircraft, he has no control over engine, electronics, or sensor production rate.
Well! He should know enough about his suppliers’ production rate. He was in the board of TEI for a while too. But as the head of TAI he should have access to extensive information on TAI’s supplier list and their lead times for subcontracted parts to make a fairly correct educated guess.
 

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Tusaş can ramp up the production if needed. I think it won't be limited with 24 airframes per year.
10-12 airframes per year for HvKK will be good....Deliveries should take at least 20 years like US(F-35) and France(Rafale)....Thus, production does not stop, the production chain is maintained.

MMU will developed(Blocks) while production continues...Then
R&D staff moves to new aircraft development

It will be good for TAİ and budget.


Finishing ordered planes early hurts our aviation industry and budget
 

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Well! He should know enough about his suppliers’ production rate. He was in the board of TEI for a while too. But as the head of TAI he should have access to extensive information on TAI’s supplier list and their lead times for subcontracted parts to make a fairly correct educated guess.

He's overtly positive in every aspect but hasn't made it a secret how some of the suppliers aren't performing to his expectations, cough cough Aselsan cough... And TEI, 10 planes a month equates to 20 engine a month - GE manages 14 F-35 engines a Month...

Dassault produces 2 Rafales a month, only recently upping it to 3 due to exports.

2 TF-X a month is a good rate, and it's nothing to do with being "cash strapped".
 

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He's overtly positive in every aspect but hasn't made it a secret how some of the suppliers aren't performing to his expectations, cough cough Aselsan cough... And TEI, 10 planes a month equates to 20 engine a month - GE manages 14 F-35 engines a Month...

Dassault produces 2 Rafales a month, only recently upping it to 3 due to exports.

2 TF-X a month is a good rate, and it's nothing to do with being "cash strapped".
I can’t see TAI producing regularly 2 aircrafts each per month (never mind 10 of each) and Turkish Defence Forces/Turkish Government being able to finance 2xTFXs (~200 million dollars), 2xHurjets (100million dollars) and 2xT-929 (~100million dollars), 2xGokbeys (~50million dollars). That is best part of 6 billion dollars of our ~20 billion dollar defence budget. That doesn’t take in to account of UAVs, naval ships and modernisation programs, Tanks and armoured vehicles, Air defence missiles and expensive precision strike missiles that need to be manufactured in good quantity.
 

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I can’t see TAI producing regularly 2 aircrafts each per month (never mind 10 of each) and Turkish Defence Forces/Turkish Government being able to finance 2xTFXs (~200 million dollars), 2xHurjets (100million dollars) and 2xT-929 (~100million dollars), 2xGokbeys (~50million dollars). That is best part of 6 billion dollars of our ~20 billion dollar defence budget. That doesn’t take in to account of UAVs, naval ships and modernisation programs, Tanks and armoured vehicles, Air defence missiles and expensive precision strike missiles that need to be manufactured in good quantity.
This calculation shows how it is really possible to do it. Considering around 85% of the money spent on making these weapons will stay in Türkiye and can be paid in Liras it is really very affordable.
 

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I can’t see TAI producing regularly 2 aircrafts each per month (never mind 10 of each) and Turkish Defence Forces/Turkish Government being able to finance 2xTFXs (~200 million dollars), 2xHurjets (100million dollars) and 2xT-929 (~100million dollars), 2xGokbeys (~50million dollars). That is best part of 6 billion dollars of our ~20 billion dollar defence budget. That doesn’t take in to account of UAVs, naval ships and modernisation programs, Tanks and armoured vehicles, Air defence missiles and expensive precision strike missiles that need to be manufactured in good quantity.

With all the projects going on I think we can safely triple that amount (60-70 billions $).
 

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The budget is enough to procure 2 per month. That's why the production rate is 2 per month. Very detailed plans are already made about the serial production and acquisition budget.
 

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guess the '''engine production'' rate will be the main determinant for MMU production, everthing is possible but 24 airframes per year is a good number. just as an example Eurojet delivered around 1000 EJ200 in almost 20 years

We can double it easily.
 

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We can double it easily.
I am gonna be honest in fact it is too early to speak for anything all we do here is speculating but sure these speculations are based on known offical statments and some facts. At the moment I dont really care much about how many MMU we will manufacture per month or per year but all I care is to see MMU as a reality since This is by far the biggest, the most complex and probably the most vital project that we ever had.
 
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I just want to say that I just saw the new Top Gun and boy am I hyped to see TF-X or even Hürjet flying.
 
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Turkey is starting to build its new fighter jet under the TF-X program, while the United States is finalizing its 6th generation fighter jet. Does Turkey want to eliminate its dependence on big countries such as the United States and Russia for their country's defense equipment? Like wanting to be one of the world's military role models.
In order to meet Turkish Air Force (TurAF) requirements beyond 2030s, an indigenous design and development program aims to replace the aging F-16 fleet of TurAF.

Within the scope of TF-X Program, Turkey will become one of the few countries to possess the necessary technologies, engineering infrastructure and production capabilities. Once the engineering activities on all the critical technologies are accomplished (e.g. increased situational awareness, sensor fusion, low observability, weapon bay, …etc), which are needed by a 5th generation (or beyond) jet fighter aircraft.

TF-X aircraft is planned to be kept operational in the TurAF inventory until 2070s and will be interoperable with other critical assets of TurAF such as F-35As.

The TF-X indigenous design and development program prime contract between Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) of Ministry of Turkish National Defence and Turkish Aerospace has been signed on 5th of August 2016.

The timing of this signature alone, is a key demonstrator of Turkey’s determination of running mega-projects uninterruptedly, even under extra-ordinary conditions.

Currently, the prime contract covers the initial four (4) years (starting after signature of major subcontracts) which will end up with completion of preliminary design phase. Within this period beyond the design and development of TF-X Aircraft, engineering capabilities, technology development activities (for key sensors like radar, electronic warfare..etc.), test infrastructures establishment and certification processes will be performed and extensive capabilities for a new generation jet fighter design, development and production will be gained by Turkish industry.

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