TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Spitfire9]

Is the UK Burying 6th Generation Fighter Jet Project Tempest?

Labour’s tough defence choice: submarines or next-generation fighter jet? https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/labours-tough-defence-choice-submarines-or-next-generation-fighter-s6kdmqht8 @TR_123456 @Kaan Azman @Kartal1 @OPTIMUS @TheInsider @Zafer @Anmdt @Merzifonlu @Nilgiri @Test7...

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I see the cancellation of long-term and expensive 6th generation aircraft projects by the British and the US as preparations for World War III. Because the war budget is not unlimited and the balance-changing platforms, especially, require high-volume production.

So, shape your expectations about the project schedule accordingly, people. Because we do not have the luxury of canceling Kaan.

I think that the Tempest project is still in definition phase. A decision on going ahead with Tempest is not due until 2025.

 

[Radonsider]

Did Kotil not say that they warehoused enough Titanium for the production already? Or is this related to the Titanium quality issues as mentioned in the NYT article?

no, it is not about titanium but forging and casting of it

we need really heavy titanium press for it to be done

 

[Sanchez]

One other effect of the war in the north. Russia is the biggest titanium parts supplier in the world. This has affected not only us, but many others around the world as well.

"Western aerospace companies are heavily reliant on Russian titanium. Among OEMs, Boeing sources 1/3 of its titanium requirements from Russia, Airbus around 50% and Embraer almost its entire supply. "

Russian-Ukrainian conflict impact on Aerospace Supply Chain: how can OEMs and suppliers react t

Russia is a leading player in Titanium industry for aerospace via its company VSMPO-AVISMA, main supplier of all western OEMs and engines manufacturers Although the supply chain of Russian oil &

www.efeso.com

You might want to play the game differently, but market will always have another plans.

 

[somegoodusername]

Who makes the problem, which company/county?

Probably Russia related issue. Many other aircraft producers had similar problems. And titanium production in this scales are something out of reach of countries that of Turkey's levels. It requires investments bigly. Russia uses the capacity that they inherited from the USSR.
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/32464-titanium-supply-crisis-what-does-this-mean-for-aerospace

 

[Yasar_TR]

It's mentioned that the delays are due to supply chain disruptions regarding the titanium parts. Probably it's the same reason for Temel Kotil's departure concerning the falsified authenticity documentation that originated from a metals supplier in China which were used in Airbus and Boeing parts also. Still not clear though where the problem lies, with Italian firm Titanium International Group, with Spirit, TUSAŞ or with the Chinese Baoji Titanium Industry?!

F.A.A. Investigating How Questionable Titanium Got Into Boeing and Airbus Jets

The material, which was purchased from a little-known Chinese company, was sold with falsified documents and used in parts that went into jets from both manufacturers.

www.nytimes.com

According to Tolga Özbek’s YouTube message (after 27.05 min), NewYork Times erroneously claimed that Tusas has been supplying fraudulently-certified titanium parts.

According to this news piece, it was Infact Tusas that found the problem.
Italians buy the titanium. Then having worked on it, they pass it on to Tusas to make the necessary parts. Tusas then sends the manufactured parts to Spirit Aerospace who forward it to Boeing.

During manufacturing, Tusas finds that the titanium parts are not as before and alerts the Italians. They warn the Spirit Aerospace and Boeing and Airbus are alerted.

If this is the case, Tusas should ask New York Times for a retraction for erroneous news as it would damage Tusas’s good name.

 

[boredaf]

If this is the case, Tusas should ask New York Times for a retraction for erroneous news as it would damage Tusas’s good name.

If this was true they would've done so immediately, it makes no sense to stay silent on a serious accusation like that when you have had no part in it.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827811153638019583

Some discussion did happen.

Kementerian Pertahanan RI on Instagram: "Kunjungan kerja Menhan Prabowo @prabowo ke Turki beberapa waktu lalu, menghasilkan sejumlah komitmen kerja sama industri pertahanan, di antaranya joint development pesawat tempur generasi kelima, kapal perang

619 likes, 10 comments - kemhanri on August 21, 2024: "Kunjungan kerja Menhan Prabowo @prabowo ke Turki beberapa waktu lalu, menghasilkan sejumlah komitmen kerja sama industri pertahanan, di antaranya joint development pesawat tempur generasi kelima, kapal perang fregat dan helikopter. Hal itu...

www.instagram.com

But for me still too good to be true

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827811153638019583

Some discussion did happen.

Kementerian Pertahanan RI on Instagram: "Kunjungan kerja Menhan Prabowo @prabowo ke Turki beberapa waktu lalu, menghasilkan sejumlah komitmen kerja sama industri pertahanan, di antaranya joint development pesawat tempur generasi kelima, kapal perang

619 likes, 10 comments - kemhanri on August 21, 2024: "Kunjungan kerja Menhan Prabowo @prabowo ke Turki beberapa waktu lalu, menghasilkan sejumlah komitmen kerja sama industri pertahanan, di antaranya joint development pesawat tempur generasi kelima, kapal perang fregat dan helikopter. Hal itu...

www.instagram.com

But for me still too good to be true

It would be an amazing partnership if this is true, and I hope it is.

 

[uçuyorum]

It would be an amazing partnership if this is true, and I hope it is.

Looking at KFX and recent acquisitions of Indonesia, they clearly have severe mismanagement and have no idea what they are doing. I doubt they would fulfill their partnership responsibilities if involved.

 

[Spitfire9]

Looking at KFX and recent acquisitions of Indonesia, they clearly have severe mismanagement and have no idea what they are doing. I doubt they would fulfill their partnership responsibilities if involved.

Indeed. Involving Indonesia has created problems for the KFX project. What would make Turkiye think things would be different if Indonesia was involved with KAAN?

 

[Zafer]

Kaan is a more viable option for Indonesia. They are better off engaging with Kaan so they would be more willing to fully cooperate.

 

[Agha Sher]

Kaan is a more viable option for Indonesia. They are better off engaging with Kaan so they would be more willing to fully cooperate.

Additionally, the new president will have more focus on the military, geopolitical influence and power projection.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Turkiye had once made an offer to the Indonesia for Aksungur UCAV, saying "let's develop this together". They did not accept this. Then they saw that Aksungur UCAV was a quality product and also suitable for their needs, they paid cash and supplied it. What I mean is that we should not include Indonesia in the development phase. They have a trust problem. If Kaan fighter becomes a quality product, they will buy it with cash, like Aksungur UCAV.

 

[Strong AI]

Maybe unpopular opinion here, but i think that there won't be any cooperation (except the one with Azerbaijan) until Türkiye starts testing KAAN's domestic and national engine. Because look at the ATAK export to Pakistan. One embargo from USA and your money is in the trash bin.

 

[Spitfire9]

Maybe unpopular opinion here, but i think that there won't be any cooperation (except the one with Azerbaijan) until Türkiye starts testing KAAN's domestic and national engine. Because look at the ATAK export to Pakistan. One embargo from USA and your money is in the trash bin.

What is there to cooperate about? KAAN's airframe design must be nearing completion. Indonesia can buy it when it is ready if it wants to. Makes me wonder what partnership in KF-21 achieved.

 

[Yasar_TR]

TUSAŞ Expands its Presence in Indo-Pacific | TURDEF

Turkish Aerospace is opening a new branch in Bandung, Indonesia, to increase its regional presence.

turdef.com

Here is the Turkish take of the same news regarding Indonesian office of Tusas.
Tusas had opened a similar office in Malaysia when it was offering Hurjet to the Malaysian government. Some media centres are probably drawing similarities with the opening of this new office.
It has to be remembered that, Indonesia is already a participating partner - even if it is on paper only- in the KF21 Boramae project. Turkey has far too good a relation with SKorea to jeopardise it. I can’t see Indonesia leaving the KF21 programme.

Indonesia has visited Tusas recently and currently there are equipment that they are buying and probably new ones they would like to buy. To facilitate good efficient service, it is only natural to have a local office as part of the large business potential there is.

KAAN project is in it’s final stages. It is more feasible for Turkey to sell the plane, rather than including new partners.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

TUSAŞ Expands its Presence in Indo-Pacific | TURDEF

Turkish Aerospace is opening a new branch in Bandung, Indonesia, to increase its regional presence.

turdef.com

Here is the Turkish take of the same news regarding Indonesian office of Tusas.
Tusas had opened a similar office in Malaysia when it was offering Hurjet to the Malaysian government. Some media centres are probably drawing similarities with the opening of this new office.
It has to be remembered that, Indonesia is already a participating partner - even if it is on paper only- in the KF21 Boramae project. Turkey has far too good a relation with SKorea to jeopardise it. I can’t see Indonesia leaving the KF21 programme.

Indonesia has visited Tusas recently and currently there are equipment that they are buying and probably new ones they would like to buy. To facilitate good efficient service, it is only natural to have a local office as part of the large business potential there is.

KAAN project is in it’s final stages. It is more feasible for Turkey to sell the plane, rather than including new partners.

It's not the first time Indonesia has been linked to the KAAN. It will be healthy for Turkiye to get partners on board the KAAN program. The critical stages of the project have been accomplished, or are near completion. However, as we know the leverage and the offers that Turkiye made at the beginning of the program are not available today. Hopefully, there are still opportunities that can be discussed and offered just like the F-35 program. Do we know what South Korea offered to Indonesia as a participant in the KF-21 program?

 

[Spitfire9]

It's not the first time Indonesia has been linked to the KAAN. It will be healthy for Turkiye to get partners on board the KAAN program. The critical stages of the project have been accomplished, or are near completion. However, as we know the leverage and the offers that Turkiye made at the beginning of the program are not available today. Hopefully, there are still opportunities that can be discussed and offered just like the F-35 program. Do we know what South Korea offered to Indonesia as a participant in the KF-21 program?

What is a 'partner' in your view? Is it a country interested in investing in KAAN production? Are there any countries with the technology needed to contribute to further KAAN development?

 

[Ahlatshah]

What is there to cooperate about?

It is called chips, semiconductors, FPGAs, name it. We desperately need those. Indonesia and particularly Malaysia are vital for us.

 

[TheInsider]

I expect Indonesia to lower the priority of the KF-21 program and join the Turkish MMU/TF-X program. Indonesian authorities have been unhappy with the program for a while and Indonesia gives more and more contracts and importance to Turkish defense companies. I expect a MOU to be signed at IDEF 2025.

We will probably see a mock-up of the national engine for KAAN and KAAN GTU-1 prototype at IDEF 2025. IMHO this is the last step before someone can be a partner of the project and enjoy benefits. After that, I don't think anyone can be more than a customer. Of course a customer can also be part of the project but a partner is inherently different. In late 2026 we will see the KAAN GTU-1 prototype in an advanced configuration with KARAT IRST, Toygun EOTS, Murad-600A AESA radar(as part of BURFIS RF suite), Yıldırım-300 DIRCM, IRIS-300 DAS installed on the fighter.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1828051382936473951

Within the scope of the Signing Ceremony held in Indonesia; ASELSAN signed strategic agreements regarding the SARP Remote Controlled Stabilized Weapon System, CENK 4D Search Radar, Artillery Fire Control System and Missile Data Link, and ROKETSAN signed strategic agreements regarding the SUNGUR Air Defense Missile System, ÇAKIR Cruise Missile and MAM-L Mini Smart Munition.

Additionally, important Memorandums of Understanding (MoU) were signed regarding unmanned surface vehicles, tank modernization and maintenance of missile systems.