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Slightly off topic, but the Tempest program is in limbo. The new UK government refuses to commit to it. Apparently they want the military to either select nuclear submarines or the Tempest.

This is no more than speculation at this point. PM said, 'it's an important program'. Another minister said, UK is strongly committed to it.

Toward an actual progress, on 24 July, the Commons order paper included a motion to approve the Global Combat Air Programme International Government Organisation (Immunities and Privileges) Order 2024.
 

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It's mentioned that the delays are due to supply chain disruptions regarding the titanium parts. Probably it's the same reason for Temel Kotil's departure concerning the falsified authenticity documentation that originated from a metals supplier in China which were used in Airbus and Boeing parts also. Still not clear though where the problem lies, with Italian firm Titanium International Group, with Spirit, TUSAŞ or with the Chinese Baoji Titanium Industry?!
Thanks very interesting and another delicate issue I guess

“Consumables are a serious problem for domestic consumers. Due to the less developed markets of Turkey, mainly in the metal powder composition will need to be purchased from abroad-en-tier machines. For information, the wholesale price of powder materials in the foreign market is approximately as follows: pure titanium –230 € / kg, Ti6Al- € 200 / kg, CoCr alloy – € 150 / kg, Al alloys – € 70-90 / kg, Inconel 625 – € 75 / kg. For Turkish consumers, as a rule, they will cost at least two to three times more.”

https://turkbor.com.tr/en/titanium-powder/


Turkey Titanium Reserves – have been determined to have the potential of 90 million tons guess should be not bad and deserves to be invested in
 
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Yes, but what components are foreign? We know that the ejector seat is British and the engine is American, but I thought that both the seat and the engine were already delivered already?
The ejection seat and engine are subsystem level. There are a lot of foreign-sourced items at the component level.
 

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Indigenous engine partnership will be formalized in weeks (TrMotor, TEI, IvchenkoP)

This is what we have been looking for for so long. Predictably a highly national engine without partnership with the Brits and their cronies.
 

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I see the cancellation of long-term and expensive 6th generation aircraft projects by the British and the US as preparations for World War III. Because the war budget is not unlimited and the balance-changing platforms, especially, require high-volume production.

So, shape your expectations about the project schedule accordingly, people. Because we do not have the luxury of canceling Kaan.
I think that the Tempest project is still in definition phase. A decision on going ahead with Tempest is not due until 2025.
 

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Did Kotil not say that they warehoused enough Titanium for the production already? Or is this related to the Titanium quality issues as mentioned in the NYT article?
no, it is not about titanium but forging and casting of it

we need really heavy titanium press for it to be done
 
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One other effect of the war in the north. Russia is the biggest titanium parts supplier in the world. This has affected not only us, but many others around the world as well.

"Western aerospace companies are heavily reliant on Russian titanium. Among OEMs, Boeing sources 1/3 of its titanium requirements from Russia, Airbus around 50% and Embraer almost its entire supply. "

You might want to play the game differently, but market will always have another plans.
 

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It's mentioned that the delays are due to supply chain disruptions regarding the titanium parts. Probably it's the same reason for Temel Kotil's departure concerning the falsified authenticity documentation that originated from a metals supplier in China which were used in Airbus and Boeing parts also. Still not clear though where the problem lies, with Italian firm Titanium International Group, with Spirit, TUSAŞ or with the Chinese Baoji Titanium Industry?!
According to Tolga Özbek’s YouTube message (after 27.05 min), NewYork Times erroneously claimed that Tusas has been supplying fraudulently-certified titanium parts.

According to this news piece, it was Infact Tusas that found the problem.
Italians buy the titanium. Then having worked on it, they pass it on to Tusas to make the necessary parts. Tusas then sends the manufactured parts to Spirit Aerospace who forward it to Boeing.

During manufacturing, Tusas finds that the titanium parts are not as before and alerts the Italians. They warn the Spirit Aerospace and Boeing and Airbus are alerted.

If this is the case, Tusas should ask New York Times for a retraction for erroneous news as it would damage Tusas’s good name.
 

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If this is the case, Tusas should ask New York Times for a retraction for erroneous news as it would damage Tusas’s good name.
If this was true they would've done so immediately, it makes no sense to stay silent on a serious accusation like that when you have had no part in it.
 

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Some discussion did happen.

But for me still too good to be true
 

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Some discussion did happen.

But for me still too good to be true
It would be an amazing partnership if this is true, and I hope it is.
 

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It would be an amazing partnership if this is true, and I hope it is.
Looking at KFX and recent acquisitions of Indonesia, they clearly have severe mismanagement and have no idea what they are doing. I doubt they would fulfill their partnership responsibilities if involved.
 

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Looking at KFX and recent acquisitions of Indonesia, they clearly have severe mismanagement and have no idea what they are doing. I doubt they would fulfill their partnership responsibilities if involved.
Indeed. Involving Indonesia has created problems for the KFX project. What would make Turkiye think things would be different if Indonesia was involved with KAAN?
 
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Kaan is a more viable option for Indonesia. They are better off engaging with Kaan so they would be more willing to fully cooperate.
 
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