TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

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this is politics ppl.

Remember the LOA for F-16 has been signed, guess why Temel got replaced, and guess what's going to happen to the delivery date of KAAN.
You're connecting dotes that aren't there mate, there is no conspiracy theory here lol
 

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You're connecting dotes that aren't there mate, there is no conspiracy theory here lol
Maybe, but I don't think that's the case. Also I'm not saying there is a conspiracy,

The VP dude, could just as well have been appointed VP instead of replacing TK even if it meant to give the KAAN project an extra push.

So either TK got tired and quit, or they replaced him for politics.
 

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Maybe, but I don't think that's the case. Also I'm not saying there is a conspiracy,

The VP dude, could just as well have been appointed VP instead of replacing TK even if it meant to give the KAAN project an extra push.

So either TK got tired and quit, or they replaced him for politics.
I mean, it is probably politics but it has nothing to do with the F-16 deal and more to do with new SSB president replacing people since he came aboard. This was a scheduled assembly, it wasn't like they kicked him out suddenly. Here is an article that someone had shared about Haluk Görgün and his priorities in putting people from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and YTU people in positions of power.


The important thing is how this is going to effect projects going forward and if it'll make other defence companies prioritizing serial productions over prototyping like the article suggests.
 

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Michigan is like 4
I mean, it is probably politics but it has nothing to do with the F-16 deal and more to do with new SSB president replacing people since he came aboard. This was a scheduled assembly, it wasn't like they kicked him out suddenly. Here is an article that someone had shared about Haluk Görgün and his priorities in putting people from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and YTU people in positions of power.


The important thing is how this is going to effect projects going forward and if it'll make other defence companies prioritizing serial productions over prototyping like the article suggests.
I am not sure if this ranking I found is globally accepted one since there are many. Enlighten me please. But as far as I can see,
best university on the globe M.I.T. which has only a few attendants from Türkiye have Selçuk Bayraktar the Turkish Elon Musk among its alumni.
Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil's Michigan University is like the 44th meanwhile Rensselaer is not even in the top 600.

I don't know about rest of you, but I feel physically sick since yesterday. Because of our chronic nepotism disease, not having any Turkish Universities in top 500, higher quality people with extraordinary drive & vision being replaced by mediocre jealous people. So many problems and yet no cure in the horizon. It gets worse not better.

https://www.topuniversities.com/world-university-rankings
 

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You can thank the government for most of that.

You can't just shit out a good university, it takes tens of years to work your way up among the best, and that is by having a system that promotes and supports Merit (Liyakat).

You actively need to k.. get rid of anyone who tries to go for nepotism.
 

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Is it possible to kick out T.Kotil without permission from Erdogan?
As we ‘known’ , Kotil has close ties with Erdogan.
 

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Is it possible to kick out T.Kotil without permission from Erdogan?
As we ‘known’ , Kotil has close ties with Erdogan.
Erdoğan makes mistakes all the time. Not only that if there is a mistake to be made out of 100 choices he always makes that 1 mistake several times in fact.
He trusts everyone and anyone at first even Apo, Assad, Gülen, Davutoğlu, Herzog, Nebati, list is endless. His naive and too trusting demeanor always gets taken advantage of by smarter people with malicious intent.

Haluk Gorgun for some weird “coincidence” just started to grow a MUSTACHE that alone made him "one of the guys" in Erdoğan's shallow world view. I am sure they must have given him some bull explanation against Kotil too. Perhaps 2 or 3 Rensselaer graduates with mustaches also told him same things about Kotil.

He doesn't think about KAAN project continuity, losing trust, Kotil's unmatched track record, possible workplace mobbing, university rankings or nepotism. Does anyone here think he thinks about any of those things LOL? Of course not. If the guy has a mustache and just 1 other guy with a mustache agrees with him, he must be right is pretty much is his analytical thinking. I might be exaggerating a bit :) But yeah that's what I think happened there…
 

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Kinda sad a Turkish source didn't make such a video, but yeah this one video is most accurate and detailed you can find on youtube.
I like this eccentric character. I find him very knowledgeable. To me It is good this video is not of Turkish origin. Assessments of their own country's products by nationals tend to be subjectively positive.
 

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I like this eccentric character. I find him very knowledgeable. To me It is good this video is not of Turkish origin. Assessments of their own country's products by nationals tend to be subjectively positive.
Yes but we need more international awareness, we can't just rely on others.
 

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I like this eccentric character. I find him very knowledgeable. To me It is good this video is not of Turkish origin. Assessments of their own country's products by nationals tend to be subjectively positive.
He is less negatively biased than Turkish "analysts" tbh.
 

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Kinda sad a Turkish source didn't make such a video, but yeah this one video is most accurate and detailed you can find on youtube.

absolutly not, this is perfect. I watched this guy several years and when he speaks about certain subjects means order.
 

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Wrong thread. Needs to be moved USAF thread. @Kartal1

On the topic itself, that make sense. F35 block 4 and upgraded F22 would keep the qualitative edge of USAF for some decades. In some sense NGAD is more of the same. (Just on steroid).

Hence, diverting investments into global strike command and CCA in the short term makes sense. Though there is always possibility of congress forcing the air force to keep the NGAD program on time.
 

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“Rensselaer Gang” taking credit for Kotil's stellar hard work on KAAN at his TAI office I assume.


Forget 2028, 2030 would be a out of question with Gorgun's 9-to-5 lackadaisical tempo.

10 years later and ex-Aselsan boss Haluk still couldn't even deliver a decent Murad AESA radar at the level of F-16 SABR radar despite promises.

You may not see it right now but this is a sad day for anyone who is emotionally invested in KAAN project. You'll see... Delay after delay is loading...
 

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If I understand correctly, the TF-38.000 engine (formerly TF-35K) for the KAAN aircraft is described as not only supporting 5th-generation features (IR/acoustic stealth, supercruise, TVC, etc.) but also being at a 6th-generation level. It's clear that TEI's focus this year on CMC material projects (SİCİM and ÖTEKTİK) in various parts of the engine is for their flagship engine. Despite being innovative in CMC, I've been curious for a long time about the feasibility of a variable cycle engine (VCE), though it seems unrealistic. Even though I'm not knowledgeable enough to visually inspect and comment on the engine, it looks bulkier compared to its counterparts. This brings me to the point: could the approximately 10% thrust increase in an aircraft initially designed for 35K lbf thrust be the manifestation of Kotil's statement that the aircraft will feature "choice of higher technology compared to the F-22 and F-35" in its engine? One more airflow stream for VCE makes this slightly more bulkier?

Additionally, a few months ago, an unnamed DEW project for Block-3 was mentioned. The F110 engine, with half the thermal efficiency of the F135, achieved 116 kW power per engine with a temporary generator by VOLT Technology during a 2-month initial flight delay that Kotil criticized. This DEW concept isn't limited to high-power laser/EMP. For instance, Japanese research on the Mitsubishi F-X project suggests that a powerful radar could allow for high-power microwave (HPM) level pulses (Also, I do not think that even the experimental radar that they are pushing to see the limits for the nose radar is in the same league as MURAD-600A.)

When combining these pieces regarding the engine, it seems likely that it is designed to support not only 5th-generation avionics at the ultimate level but also towards 6th-generation capabilities.

My concise question is: for a country that has not yet proven itself in engine technology, does it seem plausible that they might be planning VCE/ACE for the KAAN?

And finally, it implicitly says that even the speed data of Block-1 aircraft will be superior to the aircraft in the current inventory.

I estimate that 30% more thrust in Block-2/3 will further improve this data. (I calculated ~2.4 mach without weight/aero data)

I forgot to add, it takes place at the 7th minute of the video. (6th gen engine)

Apogolize for the complexity of the message.
 

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