TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[IC3M@N FX]

Much worse. That means they have an innate understanding of our KAAN's design characteristics.

I don't want to be disrespectful, but should Turkey pull the developer tools out of its ass? Do you know how long it takes to make developer tools to develop the actual software that you really want and need?
First you have to know what you need, which is the hardest part, so we have a chicken <-> egg problem.
With all due respect to my country and our armed forces, if that bothers you, then we should have developed our own development environment from the beginning, but to do that you would have to know what an aircraft needs and since we have never developed aircraft in the last 30-40, we also have no development kits that are constantly being developed.

 

[Anmdt]

Much worse. That means they have an innate understanding of our KAAN's design characteristics.

Yeah bro TAI uses those software on computers which the user may access the internet and browse.

Most of the computers at best case has access to intranet where the license server and storage is set up, most of the analysis - simulation has been conducted on workload servers which has no access to www.

And those are pretty much basic software for many engineering tasks. For customized needs you work with academia and develop whatever you need built on open-source tools. Most of the commercial tools also let user-customized scripts, macros or solver level libraries that let you customize the solution based techniques at abundant levels.

Fun fact: France's electrical company EDF which designs and manufactures the nuclear plant's core openly distributes the computation tools: Code-Saturn, Code-Aster. Well known NASTRAN actually NASA's dynamic solver that is openly distributed and embedded to some redistributed software.

P.S. most of the commercial software do have a backdoor mechanism to ping and detect illegal uses, however at TAI's scale this is unnecessary.​

 

[Heartbang]

I don't want to be disrespectful, but should Turkey pull the developer tools out of its ass? Do you know how long it takes to make developer tools to develop the actual software that you really want and need?
First you have to know what you need, which is the hardest part, so we have a chicken <-> egg problem.
With all due respect to my country and our armed forces, if that bothers you, then we should have developed our own development environment from the beginning, but to do that you would have to know what an aircraft needs and since we have never developed aircraft in the last 30-40, we also have development kits that are constantly being developed.

Yeah bro TAI uses those software on computers which the user may access the internet and browse.

Most of the computers at best case has access to intranet where the license server and storage is set up, most of the analysis - simulation has been conducted on workload servers which has no access to www.

And those are pretty much basic software for many engineering tasks. For customized needs you work with academia and develop whatever you need build on open-source tools.

Fun fact: France' electrical company which designs and manufactures the nuclear plant's core openly distributes the computation tools: Code-Saturn, Code-Aster. Well known NASTRAN actually NASA's dynamic solver that is openly distributed and embedded to some redistributed software.

I'm aware of the fact that we lack the necessary tools for the time being. I just hope that we are working on our own toolset for these kinds of work, and in the meantime, doing our best about espionage, in the manner @Anmdt described.

 

[uçuyorum]

I'm aware of the fact that we lack the necessary tools for the time being. I just hope that we are working on our own toolset for these kinds of work, and in the meantime, doing our best about espionage, in the manner @Anmdt described.

It's just not possible to do everything yourself and do it good at once. Limited resources, human resource is more limited than money

 

[Afif]

as much as i like your posts this makes no sense. "platform maturity across the domains" is a vague copout of an argument and basically means nothing. kaan even in its first inducted form would have decent front-aspect stealth which is what matters first and foremost.

the j-20's chief designer once said about rear aspect stealth..."do you go into battle rearwards?"

kaan having old ass engines affects its performance in many forms, but as a threat stick for Aegea it's fine. kaan doesn't need massive extra thrust, or range, or rear aspect stealth to keep the greeks away. for its first blocks, kaan does not need to match f35 on every front, it just needs to be able to push greek (and other air) influence away and be a decent air to air threat.

at the end of the day we're all forgetting that one is a strike fighter first and the other is an air superiority aircraft first.

I did wrote a post clarifying what I meant in technical details and why F35 and KAAN shouldn't be compared yet. Seems it was deleted.

Also, I didn't comment on any potential conflict scenario and how it may plays out. That involves tons of other things. Which is was not the topic of disscusion.

 

[TR_123456]

the j-20's chief designer once said about rear aspect stealth..."do you go into battle rearwards?"

Yeah,i guess the J-20 never turnes left or right,up or down or a 180/360.
A real dumb comment by the chief designer.
The rear always gets exposed,so whats stealth about it then?
Btw,a radar doesnt see if its the rear or the front.

 

[Ahlatshah]

That is something unexpected

TUSAŞ’ta bayrak değişimi, Temel Kotil’in yerine Mehmet Demiroğlu atandı – Tolga Özbek

tolgaozbek.com

 

[Agha Sher]

That is something unexpected

TUSAŞ’ta bayrak değişimi, Temel Kotil’in yerine Mehmet Demiroğlu atandı – Tolga Özbek

tolgaozbek.com

Any reason given?

Not a good sign in this critical period.

 

[uçuyorum]

Any reason given?

Not a good sign in this critical period.

I mean he did bring value to company in certain ways but he wasn't much liked by engineers and technical people that I know of.

 

[Afif]

I think instead off reading into it too much, we need to realize people are usually replaced within normal process after a period of time. Temel Kotil been into that position for 7 years now. Until KAAN enters serial production in 2030, every moment will feel like a critical juncture. But he can't stay there forever either.

 

[Ahlatshah]

Any reason given?

Not a good sign in this critical period.

Today there was a general meeting. CEO and GM of TUSAŞ have been replaced.

Temel Kotil was the driving force of very important projects, particularly Kaan. His excitement and determination was crucial.

Sometimes changing is good but frankly I didnt like it due to timing. I can only hope that new GM would be better than Mr. Kotil

 

[Sanchez]

I mean he did bring value to company in certain ways but he wasn't much liked by engineers and technical people that I know of.

Turns out, baklava has its limits…

 

[Lool]

Is it true that Temil Kotil got replaced? If so can some1 specify the reason? He was doing a pretty good job for him to be sacked

 

[DBdev]

KAAN's avionics and actual plane part is done successfully thanks to aeronautical engineer Temel Kotil.

Now the new focus points are engines and stealth.
The new CEO having materials and engine expertise makes perfect sense to me. I am grateful to Kotil. He made both THY which is now the big kahuna in Europe and Tusas success stories.

 

[Oublious]

I think Temel Kotil is tyred, he did good work. And it is a good thing to change it, ther is always more driven and a updated people with vision ready.

 

[Huelague]

Maybe T. Kotil quits his job.

 

[Spitfire9]

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered: why has the prototype only flown 2 times in nearly 4 months? Is it perhaps that the second prototype is much closer to what the final prototype is expected to be so there is not much to be gained from testing the first one?

 

[Sanchez]

KAAN's avionics and actual plane part is done successfully thanks to aeronautical engineer Temel Kotil.

They most certainly are not.

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered: why has the prototype only flown 2 times in nearly 4 months? Is it perhaps that the second prototype is much closer to what the final prototype is expected to be so there is not much to be gained from testing the first one?

Basically, yes.

 

[DBdev]

KAAN is a success except engines and proven stealth. Anyone denying this is either blind or a liar.

If engineers do not complain about the CEO asking for the impossible all the time then that means the CEO is not doing his job.

For example if everyone in Aselsan loves their ex-CEO because of low production rates and subpar products compared to west does that make Aselsan a big success?

How about THY and TUSAS? Or Apple or any Elon Musk company. The CEOs shouldn't allow subordinates to dictate anything, slow the company down no matter how much they complain or revolt.

Kotil explained this better in Hürjet documentary. I am seeing X posts I am assuming from TUSAS workers about low paychecks compared to western companies and too much hard work under Kotil.

I hope the new CEO won't be another Haluk Görgün. Someone that sets a low bar or doesn't set one at all to please his underlings. I am talking about abysmal export numbers of Aselsan under him. İsmail Demir started hundreds of projects what did Haluk Görgün start since he took over SSB? Anyone? Where is the million FPVs a year project from SSB for example? What is he waiting for?

 

[Afif]

KAAN is a success except engines and proven stealth. Anyone denying this is either blind or a liar.

You said something very specific. You claimed that-

KAAN's avionics and actual plane part is done successfully thanks to aeronautical engineer Temel Kotil.

To which @Sanchez replied, 'they most certainly are not.'

Either you engage with the argument or you don't. Indirect name calling is not okay.

KAAN's main sensor MURAD-600A hasn't been fabricated yet. It is still in the critical design phase. Without the actual physical thing, how is it done? And we are not even talking about the extensive testing and validation process yet. This is just one example.