TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Sanchez]

I mean he did bring value to company in certain ways but he wasn't much liked by engineers and technical people that I know of.

Turns out, baklava has its limits…

 

[Lool]

Is it true that Temil Kotil got replaced? If so can some1 specify the reason? He was doing a pretty good job for him to be sacked

 

[DBdev]

KAAN's avionics and actual plane part is done successfully thanks to aeronautical engineer Temel Kotil.

Now the new focus points are engines and stealth.
The new CEO having materials and engine expertise makes perfect sense to me. I am grateful to Kotil. He made both THY which is now the big kahuna in Europe and Tusas success stories.

 

[Oublious]

I think Temel Kotil is tyred, he did good work. And it is a good thing to change it, ther is always more driven and a updated people with vision ready.

 

[Huelague]

Maybe T. Kotil quits his job.

 

[Spitfire9]

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered: why has the prototype only flown 2 times in nearly 4 months? Is it perhaps that the second prototype is much closer to what the final prototype is expected to be so there is not much to be gained from testing the first one?

 

[Sanchez]

KAAN's avionics and actual plane part is done successfully thanks to aeronautical engineer Temel Kotil.

They most certainly are not.

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered: why has the prototype only flown 2 times in nearly 4 months? Is it perhaps that the second prototype is much closer to what the final prototype is expected to be so there is not much to be gained from testing the first one?

Basically, yes.

 

[DBdev]

KAAN is a success except engines and proven stealth. Anyone denying this is either blind or a liar.

If engineers do not complain about the CEO asking for the impossible all the time then that means the CEO is not doing his job.

For example if everyone in Aselsan loves their ex-CEO because of low production rates and subpar products compared to west does that make Aselsan a big success?

How about THY and TUSAS? Or Apple or any Elon Musk company. The CEOs shouldn't allow subordinates to dictate anything, slow the company down no matter how much they complain or revolt.

Kotil explained this better in Hürjet documentary. I am seeing X posts I am assuming from TUSAS workers about low paychecks compared to western companies and too much hard work under Kotil.

I hope the new CEO won't be another Haluk Görgün. Someone that sets a low bar or doesn't set one at all to please his underlings. I am talking about abysmal export numbers of Aselsan under him. İsmail Demir started hundreds of projects what did Haluk Görgün start since he took over SSB? Anyone? Where is the million FPVs a year project from SSB for example? What is he waiting for?

 

[Afif]

KAAN is a success except engines and proven stealth. Anyone denying this is either blind or a liar.

You said something very specific. You claimed that-

KAAN's avionics and actual plane part is done successfully thanks to aeronautical engineer Temel Kotil.

To which @Sanchez replied, 'they most certainly are not.'

Either you engage with the argument or you don't. Indirect name calling is not okay.

KAAN's main sensor MURAD-600A hasn't been fabricated yet. It is still in the critical design phase. Without the actual physical thing, how is it done? And we are not even talking about the extensive testing and validation process yet. This is just one example.

 

[uçuyorum]

KAAN is a success except engines and proven stealth. Anyone denying this is either blind or a liar.

If engineers do not complain about the CEO asking for the impossible all the time then that means the CEO is not doing his job.

For example if everyone in Aselsan loves their ex-CEO because of low production rates and subpar products compared to west does that make Aselsan a big success?

How about THY and TUSAS? Or Apple or any Elon Musk company. The CEOs shouldn't allow subordinates to dictate anything, slow the company down no matter how much they complain or revolt.

Kotil explained this better in Hürjet documentary. I am seeing X posts I am assuming from TUSAS workers about low paychecks compared to western companies and too much hard work under Kotil.

I hope the new CEO won't be another Haluk Görgün. Someone that sets a low bar or doesn't set one at all to please his underlings. I am talking about abysmal export numbers of Aselsan under him. İsmail Demir started hundreds of projects what did Haluk Görgün start since he took over SSB? Anyone? Where is the million FPVs a year project from SSB for example? What is he waiting for?

Turns out engineers are human and need to go home and see their families sometimes. You need to balance it, human are the most valuable resource to the company, if you overwork and burn then out quickly you don't have a sustainable business, and experienced workers can't just be replaced by newcomers like that. It's a tough balancing act.

 

[DBdev]

You said something very specific. You claimed that-


Which to @Sanchez replied, 'they most certainly are not.'

Either you engage with the argument or you don't. Indirect name calling is not okay.

KAAN's main sensor MURAD-600A hasn't been fabricated yet. It is still in the critical design phase. Without the actual physical thing, how is it done? We are not even talking about the extensive testing and validation process. And this is just one example.

I obviously didn't mean he personally wrote the avionics code. LOL. But TUSAS and THY existed before him but they never were such big success stories until Kotil started asking for the impossible first in THY and then TUSAS. Engineers come and go. I am writing this as a software engineer. Companies can't worry about workers too much. Someone with low pain threshold or drive might quit, let him so that a better hungrier newcomer can take his place.

Go watch Elon Musk Mars project speech. You can't balance work and your other hobbies, interests and even your family if you are working on a critical project. If that is too much for you quit!

 

[DBdev]

KAAN's main sensor MURAD-600A hasn't been fabricated yet. It is still in the critical design phase. Without the actual physical thing, how is it done? And we are not even talking about the extensive testing and validation process yet. This is just one example.

I already said Aselsan isn't being utilized to it's full potential. TUSAS or Kotil isn't responsible for what Aselsan or lesser CEOs failed to do. Am I not writing in plain English? There seems to be some kind of miscommunication.

 

[boredaf]

You said something very specific. You claimed that-


To which @Sanchez replied, 'they most certainly are not.'

Either you engage with the argument or you don't. Indirect name calling is not okay.

KAAN's main sensor MURAD-600A hasn't been fabricated yet. It is still in the critical design phase. Without the actual physical thing, how is it done? And we are not even talking about the extensive testing and validation process yet. This is just one example.

Mate, you're arguing with someone who uses Elon Mush as a positive example in 2024, that should tell you everything you need to know about how this dialogue is going to go. Not to mention if you paid any attention to their posts they have a habit of insulting people directly or indirectly and acting like they are superior because of what they think is right. Just don't waste your time.

 

[Sanchez]

I already said Aselsan isn't being utilized to it's full potential. TUSAS or Kotil isn't responsible for what Aselsan or lesser CEOs failed to do. Am I not writing in plain English? There seems to be some kind of miscommunication.

Aselsan is many things and you probably have a point in utilization but Aselsan is not a private company. It mainly does what SSB tells them to do. Aselsan does everything from gun optics to long range radars and everything else in between. It’s a company like none other and it’s more akin to Raytheon, L3 and Elcan combined. It’s a behemoth, it will never be as flexible. TAI is not that different and they also have their downsides.

 

[Afif]

Aselsan is many things and you probably have a point in utilization but Aselsan is not a private company. It mainly does what SSB tells them to do. Aselsan does everything from gun optics to long range radars and everything else in between. It’s a company like none other and it’s more akin to Raytheon, L3 and Elcan combined. It’s a behemoth, it will never be as flexible. TAI is not that different and they also have their downsides.

I think the most accruate comparison would be, a fully state owned Thales.

 

[DBdev]

I do worry about the future of Turkish defense industry as a whole

First İsmail Demir, Gürcan Okumuş, now Kotil. Anyone who actually does something extraordinary gets targeted. I know very little about new CEO, but who here thinks that İsmail Demir wasn't better at his SSB job?

Also, Turkish RAMjet ambitions disappeared along with Gürcan OKUMUŞ of Tubitak SAGE. I feel like there is yet another classic silent operation against budding Turkish defense industry by NATO collaborators. But I have no actual proof it is just a feeling. Turkish history is my teacher.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1800931890083611028

 

[I_Love_F16]

I think the most accruate comparison would be, a fully state owned Thales.

Aselsan isn’t fully state owned, nearly a quarter of their shares are traded on the BIST (Istanbul Stock Exchange).

 

[Rodeo]

Now the question is if we'll witness any timeline or delivery plan changes for TAI's projects. Will KAAN be delivered in 2028? If so, how many? Will the new CEO reiterate the year 2028 for TF35K's FF? Will he provide a clear roadmap for the helicopter programs? What's the status of test infrastructure investments?

 

[TheInsider]

You guys are chasing the wrong ghosts. Rensselaer Polytechnic lobby removed Temel Kotil. New SSB head has been appointing Rensselaer graduates left and right since he took office.

Prof. Dr. Haluk Gorgun - SSB - Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı / Presidency of Defence Industries | LinkedIn

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Mehmet Demiroğlu - Chief Executive Officer - Turkish Aerospace | LinkedIn

Chief Executive Officer at Turkish Aerospace · Search & Research · Experience: Turkish Aerospace · Education: Sabancı School of Management · Location: Ankara · 500+ connections on LinkedIn. View Mehmet Demiroğlu’s profile on LinkedIn, a professional community of 1 billion members.

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[YeşilVatan]

You guys are chasing the wrong ghosts. Rensselaer Polytechnic lobby removed Temel Kotil. New SSB head has been appointing Rensselaer graduates left and right since he took office.

Prof. Dr. Haluk Gorgun - SSB - Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı / Presidency of Defence Industries | LinkedIn

Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı / Secretary of Turkish… · Experience: SSB - Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı / Presidency of Defence Industries · Location: Türkiye · 500+ connections on LinkedIn. View Prof. Dr. Haluk Gorgun’s profile on LinkedIn, a professional community...

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Mehmet Demiroğlu - Chief Executive Officer - Turkish Aerospace | LinkedIn

Chief Executive Officer at Turkish Aerospace · Search & Research · Experience: Turkish Aerospace · Education: Sabancı School of Management · Location: Ankara · 500+ connections on LinkedIn. View Mehmet Demiroğlu’s profile on LinkedIn, a professional community of 1 billion members.

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Is it really bad, or is it just the new guy shaking things up?