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Could TB3 take-off without a ramp? trying to determine the export potential. Yes it could.

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please carry on there

 

[hugh]

Musk is openly mocking F-35.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1860574377013838033

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1860736980621156813

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1860730086909215155

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1860737804227281348

I'm pretty sure Selçuk Bayraktar has the same views regarding manned aircraft.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

In principle, he is right autonomous drones are the future, in 20-30 years they will slowly replace fighter aircraft.
Probably GEN 6 fighter planes will be the last of their kind. But then we have another problem, we are creating a system that comes very close to Skynet from Terminator, the software will still attack predetermined targets autonomously on human command, but A.I software/network will coordinate entire swarms of drones in real time satellite-controlled, it will then pull the data from multiple networks such as AWACS aircraft/drones, satellite images + 3D terrain scan + communication and the radar results from carriers and ships and combine all this data and act accordingly. You have to be very careful because AI in 20 years' time will definitely be more autonomous than it is today.

 

[what]

Not someone to be taken seriously in this context.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Not someone to be taken seriously in this context.

People forget Elon is one of the largest contractors for DoD. He probably has ulterior motives (like poo-pooing lockheed martin or some such).

 

[UcanTost]

elon musk should put a chip in his brain and fly to mars with his rocket instead of trying to enslave the entire human race for his space exploration fantasies. Yes, drones are the future. No shit. The future isn't now.

 

[Lool]

Elon Musk is literally stating what I have been posting in this forum for years

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861070432377737269

 

[hugh]

Elon Musk is literally stating what I have been posting in this forum for years

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861070432377737269

I think people who are developing autonomous systems bound have same aversion towards manned systems and see them inferior.

The future wars will be fought between drones. Very few people would dispute that. The trouble is, how far that future is? is it 5 years, 10 years or 30? There are valid concerns over decision-making process of AI and inability to delineate or trace a bug in the neural net and also validating the software to be used in the wild could not be overcame by any company yet. Adding to this, the performance of the said platforms under heavy EW environments is another concern.

I'm glad that we are blessed with a company whose undivided attention is solely focused on these unmanned systems. Maybe they could crack these issues and bring about a viable product that is operating fully-autonomously.

 

[YeşilVatan]

If a plane has an AGI (artificial general intelligence) level of automation, then obviously it's better than any human pilot, period. But we are long way from that, and anything less is unacceptable. AI as it is right now can't successfully replace a Starbucks Barrista, let alone an F-35 pilot. On another note, I feel like AGI directed airplanes can pull off impressive stuff, like synchronization without communicating among themselves or things of that nature.

But for the next few years, we have different hurdles to overcome. If TUSAŞ manages to pull 20 Block 10s by 2028, I can just dance from joy.

 

[Tabmachine]

Given the F-35's current advantages over drones in command and control, resilience against jamming/hacking, electronic warfare etc. I would guess that Musk is probably angling for his starlink + drones to replace that. The guy indeed follows the motto: "Always be closing".

Constant salesmanship aside, however, he does actually deliver the value.

If a plane has an AGI (artificial general intelligence) level of automation, then obviously it's better than any human pilot, period. But we are long way from that, and anything less is unacceptable. AI as it is right now can't successfully replace a Starbucks Barrista, let alone an F-35 pilot. On another note, I feel like AGI directed airplanes can pull off impressive stuff, like synchronization without communicating among themselves or things of that nature.

But for the next few years, we have different hurdles to overcome. If TUSAŞ manages to pull 20 Block 10s by 2028, I can just dance from joy.

I would guess that he is pushing for an interim solution prior to a sufficiently capable AI where his satellites can provide secure human control of a UAV that plays that command and control function.

 

[UcanTost]

Elon Musk is literally stating what I have been posting in this forum for years

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861070432377737269

Okay genius. You take the any drone or multiple of it you want and i take a singular f35. Lets see who dies and who survives

 

[boredaf]

Don't take anything Musk says seriously. Yes, he is the richest man alive but he is also an utter moron who acts like a teenager and needs constant validation. 90% of the time he has no idea what he is talking about, and in the other 10% he is usually taking credit for what someone else has done.

 

[dBSPL]

The Department of Government Efficiency, one of Trump's election promises, is set to be established with the aim of increasing government efficiency by reducing bureaucratic costs, ending wastefulness and restructuring federal agencies. Musk, Trump's biggest election financier, is expected to head this ministry. So not only is he the richest man in the world who dreams of going to Mars, but he is also an aerospace mega-investor who will also carry considerable weight in the Trump's second term.

As I understand it, Musk's main criticism is the F-35 project model. This is not something that is subjective, it is a problem that has been voiced many times, including by the US Air Force, and has been discussed for years, but whether unmanned combatant aviation can become the dominant factor as soon as it is said to be is open to further debate. But in general, it is a statement that should be taken into account. Btw, LMT plummeted deeper, after Musk's tweet. He may have short sell. lol

 

[boredaf]

The Department of Government Efficiency, one of Trump's election promises, is set to be established with the aim of increasing government efficiency by reducing bureaucratic costs, ending wastefulness and restructuring federal agencies. Musk, Trump's biggest election financier, is expected to head this ministry. So not only is he the richest man in the world who dreams of going to Mars, but he is also an aerospace mega-investor who will also carry considerable weight in the Trump's second term.

That "department" is nothing but a way for getting rid of as much of federal government as possible to deregulate as much of US economy as possible, so that billionaires like Musk can make more money. "Ending wastefulness" lmfao

 

[hugh]

The Department of Government Efficiency, one of Trump's election promises, is set to be established with the aim of increasing government efficiency by reducing bureaucratic costs, ending wastefulness and restructuring federal agencies. Musk, Trump's biggest election financier, is expected to head this ministry. So not only is he the richest man in the world who dreams of going to Mars, but he is also an aerospace mega-investor who will also carry considerable weight in the Trump's second term.

As I understand it, Musk's main criticism is the F-35 project model. This is not something that is subjective, it is a problem that has been voiced many times, including by the US Air Force, and has been discussed for years, but whether unmanned combatant aviation can become the dominant factor as soon as it is said to be is open to further debate. But in general, it is a statement that should be taken into account. Btw, LMT plummeted deeper, after Musk's tweet. He may have short sell. lol

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861088922304160167

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861088922304160167

Tweets from Musk are completely irrelevant to this thread.

 

[hugh]

Tweets from Musk are completely irrelevant to this thread.

maybe a mod could move the convo to the relevant thread

 

[Lool]

Okay genius. You take the any drone or multiple of it you want and i take a singular f35. Lets see who dies and who survives

How many rockets can an F35 carry? 10? 20?

All what I need is 30 kamikaze-like loyal wingman and the F35 is cooked
Do you know whats even funnier? Is that the cost of such system maybe even cheaper than a fully equipped single f35, looool

Lets just admit it, the F35 is a failed project. It was intended to be an upgrade over the beautifully made F16s, but they failed in every sense of the word.

It just doesnt make sense for me to spend billions of dollars on a couple of F35s that will continue to siphon off the defence budget every year and send it to the Americans when I even need to ask the bloody Americans every day for the fqing password

In terms of efficiency, longevity, and cost-effectiveness, the F35 is a bloody black hole that will bankrupt nations and not make it stronger

 

[Heartbang]

When Musk is talking about drones instead of F-35's, he's not talking about quadcopters and stuff. He's talking about this:

So, mock him at your own peril.

 

[Anmdt]

When Musk is talking about drones instead of F-35's, he's not talking about quadcopters and stuff. He's talking about this:

So, mock him at your own peril.

Yeah but that's beyond 2050, maybe even more.

Can you assure us that there won't be any wars or conflicts that we may need a manned system and or if happens to be, can be resolved entirely by missiles and unmanned systems until the time comes?

If so i willingly support halting the entire of manned projects.

Do we have end to end secure (not talking about an encrypted network, but security of whole chain) communications solutions at the moment to get the same work done via remotely piloted / controlled drones?

From today to ten years ahead most of the unmanned platforms will serve as front line units, KE, Anka III won't be much than a system that delivers a payload at dedicated targets. Or provides a quick look at the targets prior to attack.

Developing manned platforms shouldn't be redundant or negligible. The process itself heavily supports the core technologies that unmanned platforms need in future, they can coexist for a smooth transition.

Which of the manned platform development program focuses so much on the pilot factor and got delayed because of that? It is often related to engines, stealth techs, radars, signal processors and so on.