TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[photon vish]

The joke went right over your head here

I was expecting a serious and informed reply and not a joke

Anyways i have models iwb of turkish jets with the global info

But i was curious as in Wikipedia, the numbers are way to high , like it does not make sens that a 6.5 tonn anka 3 has 1.2-1.6 tonn iwb payload with 8 munitions capability (even if uts mk82, does not it makes 2 tonn which is impossible as even ghatak ucav which is 13tonn is only have 1.5 tonn iwb capacity)

 

[photon vish]

I was expecting a serious and informed reply and not a joke

Anyways i have models iwb of turkish jets with the global info

But i was curious as in Wikipedia, the numbers are way to high , like it does not make sens that a 6.5 tonn anka 3 has 1.2-1.6 tonn iwb payload with 8 munitions capability (even if uts mk82, does not it makes 2 tonn which is impossible as even ghatak ucav which is 13tonn is only have 1.5 tonn iwb capacity)

And btw why turkish weapon always have very unreasonable specifications ?

I still remeber a 1 tonn bunker buster bombs with 7m of c50 Penetration capability and 90m of rock and earth while gbu 57 has only 60m of earth Penetration

May u people tell me(not trolling but u people gives such specifications which are laughable) how u people achieved 90m of Penetration with 1 tonn bombs while usa only achieved 60meter with 14 tonn bomb

U people have some alian tech for bunker buster ??

The real joke is turkish weapon specifications, i dont have any faith on published info , they all seems cheap and stupid propoganda by erdogan to satisfy his voters

Thats why i came here , to know actuals info , neither propoganda nor jokes

 

[Pokemonte13]

And btw why turkish weapon always have very unreasonable specifications ?

I still remeber a 1 tonn bunker buster bombs with 7m of c50 Penetration capability and 90m of rock and earth while gbu 57 has only 60m of earth Penetration

May u people tell me(not trolling but u people gives such specifications which are laughable) how u people achieved 90m of Penetration with 1 tonn bombs while usa only achieved 60meter with 14 tonn bomb

U people have some alian tech for bunker buster ??

The real joke is turkish weapon specifications, i dont have any faith on published info , they all seems cheap and stupid propoganda by erdogan to satisfy his voters

Thats why i came here , to know actuals info , neither propoganda nor jokes

You mean the neb 2 Hayaleta. I mean we at least saw some test footage from it penetrating the beton. Overall most of specification given to us are reasonable and sometimes even worse than they actually are. Maybe you have some examples?

 

[Zafer]

Gonna be a long journey. Fingers crossed.

I have mapped out the long journey but the map got deleted before saying that it is absurd, like they had to.

 

[photon vish]

You mean the neb 2 Hayaleta. I mean we at least saw some test footage from it penetrating the beton. Overall most of specification given to us are reasonable and sometimes even worse than they actually are. Maybe you have some examples?

So tell me how a 1 tonn penetrator can pentrate 30% more(90 meter) than 14 tonn american gpu 57(60 meter)

Isn't it unrealistic ??

And where did they shows that it went 90 meter ??

If a 1 tonn can go 90 meter with 200kg explosive then who need 14 tonn gbu 57 which can only go 60(although with over 2 tonn explosive) and requires 2 billion b2 stealth bomber to drop it

 

[Pokemonte13]

So tell me how a 1 tonn penetrator can pentrate 30% more(90 meter) than 14 tonn american gpu 57(60 meter)

Isn't it unrealistic ??

And where did they shows that it went 90 meter ??

If a 1 tonn can go 90 meter with 200kg explosive then who need 14 tonn gbu 57 which can only go 60(although with over 2 tonn explosive) and requires 2 billion b2 stealth bomber to drop it

I can’t but most of the time the data we got were credible. Do you know exactly how the penetration works exactly in either of these bombs?

 

[Pokemonte13]

I was expecting a serious and informed reply and not a joke

Anyways i have models iwb of turkish jets with the global info

But i was curious as in Wikipedia, the numbers are way to high , like it does not make sens that a 6.5 tonn anka 3 has 1.2-1.6 tonn iwb payload with 8 munitions capability (even if uts mk82, does not it makes 2 tonn which is impossible as even ghatak ucav which is 13tonn is only have 1.5 tonn iwb capacity)

Anka 3 IWB could maybe have a limit at 1.4 tons (weight of two tolun smart rack with four toluns) and that 1.7 tons is the maximum payload for all 6 stations

 

[begturan]

And btw why turkish weapon always have very unreasonable specifications ?

I still remeber a 1 tonn bunker buster bombs with 7m of c50 Penetration capability and 90m of rock and earth while gbu 57 has only 60m of earth Penetration

May u people tell me(not trolling but u people gives such specifications which are laughable) how u people achieved 90m of Penetration with 1 tonn bombs while usa only achieved 60meter with 14 tonn bomb

U people have some alian tech for bunker buster ??

The real joke is turkish weapon specifications, i dont have any faith on published info , they all seems cheap and stupid propoganda by erdogan to satisfy his voters

Thats why i came here , to know actuals info , neither propoganda nor jokes

Actually, this isn't something that's only recently happened; many of our weapon systems have had unusually wide ranges over the years. For example, when the Kalkan radar was first produced, they said its range was 40 km, then it was updated to 80, then 120, and so on.

We've seen the range of many of our smart munitions increase over time; for example, the Hisar O went from 20 km to 40 km.

We're witnessing very small smart bombs like the MAM L and MAM C turning main battle tanks into scrap metal. The explosive effect of our very small warhead. mortars, bombs, or missiles is far superior to their counterparts.

In fact, many things are kept secret, but they eventually come to light. The Hayalet bomb was produced many years ago, but we only learned about it much later. Generally, when countries like Israel, America, or tiny Greece signal a military operation against Türkiye, Türkiye shares these secret technologies with the public. This kind of technological demonstration prevents our enemies from making a foolish move.

In summary, Türkiye's rocket/missile fuel technology, explosives technology, and high-tech sensors perform better than their counterparts worldwide. Because no one has ever spoken about it, it remains a secret.

 

[NEKO]

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Kaan league is shaping up

Does spain require ITAR free KAAN.

 

[Zafer]

Does spain require ITAR free KAAN.

I have no idea, it is not made public yet. If they are not in a hurry they may go for it, if it ever happens.

 

[photon vish]

Actually, this isn't something that's only recently happened; many of our weapon systems have had unusually wide ranges over the years. For example, when the Kalkan radar was first produced, they said its range was 40 km, then it was updated to 80, then 120, and so on.

We've seen the range of many of our smart munitions increase over time; for example, the Hisar O went from 20 km to 40 km.

We're witnessing very small smart bombs like the MAM L and MAM C turning main battle tanks into scrap metal. The explosive effect of our very small warhead. mortars, bombs, or missiles is far superior to their counterparts.

In fact, many things are kept secret, but they eventually come to light. The Hayalet bomb was produced many years ago, but we only learned about it much later. Generally, when countries like Israel, America, or tiny Greece signal a military operation against Türkiye, Türkiye shares these secret technologies with the public. This kind of technological demonstration prevents our enemies from making a foolish move.

In summary, Türkiye's rocket/missile fuel technology, explosives technology, and high-tech sensors perform better than their counterparts worldwide. Because no one has ever spoken about it, it remains a secret.

Still better than 14tonn gpu 57 is too much. I can expect it to be better than gbu 28(its 2.3 tonn), but better than gpi 57 is not possible

For it to have , u have to make extremely high streagth materials, atkeast 10x more powerful than used in gpu 57 with similar weight and then some sort of rocket propulsion to orovide enough momentum

-> Penetration works with huge momentum and strong casing with dekayed fuse obv

Gpu 57 needs to drop with 12km high with 14 tonn weight so that it can pentrate 60m of earth

For turkish oentrator, it need to have supersonic speed with 10× stronger casing to go 90m

 

[photon vish]

I can’t but most of the time the data we got were credible. Do you know exactly how the penetration works exactly in either of these bombs?

-> Penetration works with huge momentum and strong casing with dekayed fuse obv



Gpu 57 needs to drop with 12km high with 14 tonn weight so that it can pentrate 60m of earth(Use earth pull and weight to generate enough momentum


For turkish oentrator, it need to have supersonic speed with over 10× stronger casing to go 90m

 

[alfonsvlora]

Still better than 14tonn gpu 57 is too much. I can expect it to be better than gbu 28(its 2.3 tonn), but better than gpi 57 is not possible

For it to have , u have to make extremely high streagth materials, atkeast 10x more powerful than used in gpu 57 with similar weight and then some sort of rocket propulsion to orovide enough momentum

-> Penetration works with huge momentum and strong casing with dekayed fuse obv

Gpu 57 needs to drop with 12km high with 14 tonn weight so that it can pentrate 60m of earth

For turkish oentrator, it need to have supersonic speed with 10× stronger casing to go 90m

Hey buddy, excuse me, but what are you talking about!
You're tearing yourself apart like a cat with its claws behind glass...!
Don't you have anything else to say, for example, about KAAN !?
In my opinion, @begturan has explained it very clearly, you're still going on...!

 

[Yasar_TR]

So tell me how a 1 tonn penetrator can pentrate 30% more(90 meter) than 14 tonn american gpu 57(60 meter)

Isn't it unrealistic ??

And where did they shows that it went 90 meter ??

If a 1 tonn can go 90 meter with 200kg explosive then who need 14 tonn gbu 57 which can only go 60(although with over 2 tonn explosive) and requires 2 billion b2 stealth bomber to drop it

Bro, before you ask serious questions and expect to receive serious responses, you need to wind down the condescending nature of your posts of “you people” !

Most of the answers you seek are in the old posts in the related threads.

US‘s GBU57 is a 0.8m diameter 13.5ton bomb with an explosive content of 2400kg. It manages to hit the ground at a speed of ~ 1.15 to 1.45 Mach. It goes down by 60m through it’s kinetic energy and explodes to go down a further 18m of reinforced concrete before the secondary explosion.
Due to it’s larger cross section it’s drilling power is limited to above figures. It is a devastating bomb specially designed to bust deep bunkers.

Hayalet bomb of Turkiye has a 0.45m diameter and is around 970kg in weight with a 250kg of explosive content. When dropped from 40000ft it hits the ground at around 1.4 Mach. In the below test it was dropped from 30000ft, and penetrated 90m deep at an impact velocity of 1.2 Mach . It has a special hardened construction that behaves like a dart, and drills through earth by more than 90m. Then it explodes. It utilizes a specialized warhead design with a hardened steel casing for maximum penetration, often employing a 240ms time-delay fuse to detonate after passing through multiple layers of armour or concrete. It uses the deep penetration capability and the so called “ earthquake wave” effect when it explodes at such deep layers of earth to destroy bunkers. Due to its smaller silhouette it has a very high impact speed and deeper penetration power. It uses its kinetic energy more than the explosive penetration. During the ground tests it penetrated 7m C50 concrete reinforced with 25mm ribbed steel, and a further 5 m of standard concrete.

They do not act quite similarly in their operation. But are used for similar end use. Contrary to many TV channels that prey on national feelings about how great this bomb is, it is not the same as a GBU57. That is a different world altogether. But Hayalet serves a similar end use with cheaper and in a more versatile manner.

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[Spitfire9]

Does spain require ITAR free KAAN.

Apart from the engine are there any other ITAR controlled systems in the aircraft?

 

[Sanchez]

Apart from the engine are there any other ITAR controlled systems in the aircraft?

As far as we know, nope. I'm sure there are subcomponents of subsystems but none are for production aircraft. Turkey and SSB is under CAATSA sanctions by US for years and Kaan is an SSB project. Many components are outside our reach even if we wanted them. Even F110's supply is very hard to follow through.

 

[Spitfire9]

As far as we know, nope. I'm sure there are subcomponents of subsystems but none are for production aircraft. Turkey and SSB is under CAATSA sanctions by US for years and Kaan is an SSB project. Many components are outside our reach even if we wanted them. Even F110's supply is very hard to follow through.

Are you saying that once the US engine is replaced with TF35000 the US cannot stop Turkiye making or exporting the aircraft?

 

[NEKO]

Does martin baker ejection seat fall under ITAR control?

Its UK company, but who know.

Maybe US can block the sale/spare parts.

 

[boredaf]

Are you saying that once the US engine is replaced with TF35000 the US cannot stop Turkiye making or exporting the aircraft?

How would they stop its export or production when they aren't supplying a critical component exactly?

 

[Ripley]

Are you saying that once the US engine is replaced with TF35000 the US cannot stop Turkiye making or exporting the aircraft?

Well pretty much yeah

Does martin baker ejection seat fall under ITAR control?

Its UK company, but who know.

Maybe US can block the sale/spare parts.

A domestic ejection seat was in the works. For the moment it’s MB. They even developed canopy coating domestically. They’re leaving nothing to chance.