TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Passenger]

Look, it’s not just a matter of money; it’s a total "technology embargo." Think of it this way: we’re still struggling to import jet engine technology that’s decades old, often facing a ton of conditions and hesitation. The ASML machines that actually print those legendary Nvidia chips are the most guarded tech on the planet. The US has even banned these machines from being sold to China; so, even if you put the cash on the table, they physically won't deliver that machine to you.

Even if you somehow managed to get one, a single machine costs around $400 million, and building a full-scale factory costs $40 to $50 billion. On top of that, Nvidia isn't just hardware; it’s a massive software ecosystem. Almost all AI systems globally are written in their specific language (CUDA). To become a "new Nvidia," you wouldn't just need a factory; you’d need to change the habits of every software developer in the world.

There’s also another side to this: we don't actually need to compete with a giant that serves end-consumers, gamers, or massive AI server farms right now. The chips required for our military systems, drones, or corporate state infrastructure usually don't need to be at those "bleeding-edge" nanometer levels (like 3nm or 5nm). What we really need are "secure and domestic" chips to run our own missiles, radios, or banking systems. We don't need those billion-dollar Dutch machines for that; we can achieve strategic production for our own needs using more accessible technologies. In short, instead of trying to outdo Nvidia, focusing on being self-sufficient for our own critical infrastructure is a much more logical and realistic goal.

The US has even banned these machines from being sold to China

Not only machines, but also chips are banned.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48642

 

[TurkWolf]

ook, it’s not just a matter of money; it’s a total "technology embargo." Think of it this way: we’re still struggling to import jet engine technology that’s decades old, often facing a ton of conditions and hesitation. The ASML machines that actually print those legendary Nvidia chips are the most guarded tech on the planet. The US has even banned these machines from being sold to China

There're a lot of "NVIDIA Killer" and these companies always in Europe and west, for once I'd like some from Turkiye is what I meant really.a lot of these startups that get hyped up always from west. anyways hope I made my point clear. even when we know its unlikely, guess the little hope is a good thing for the morale and industry in TR. thats all.

 

[AlperTunga]

Pretty much all nations except Saudis, UAE, Israel and I guess France?
Just don't see the point in doing any strategic JV with nations that see us as rivals. Heck, would they(Saudis) even be interested thats another questions.

But, Spain, Italy, Turkiye Med team sounds nice though.

I am open to all sorts of cooperations with these countries. But they wont invest large amounts of money in such a project. Simply because they are within the „system“, whereas we are at the peripherie. They are guaranteed to get those chips, when they pay for it. For us there is the danger that they even sanction some large servers which we need not only for military purposes but also for research, industry and other uses. If the financial side is resolved (that is why I mentioned Saudi Arabia) it is highly likely we can manage to produce smaller chips (though not necessarily at the level of Nvidia).

 

[Zafer]

Not only machines, but also chips are banned.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48642

Does China sell litography machines?

 

[Passenger]

Does China sell litography machines?

Yes, China also has lithography machine manufacturers, but their technological level has not yet caught up with the leading tier (TSMC, Samsung). At present, it seems that at least five more years are needed.

Shanghai Microelectronics Equipment

 

[Zafer]

Yes, China also has lithography machine manufacturers, but their technological level has not yet caught up with the leading tier (TSMC, Samsung). At present, it seems that at least five more years are needed.

Shanghai Microelectronics Equipment

That is more than good enough.

 

[alfonsvlora]

It is bs.

Even TRT Haber reported this news!

GÜÇHAN Turbofan Jet Motoru için kalifikasyon testleri yıl içinde yapılacak

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı kaynakları, milli imkanlarla geliştirilen GÜÇHAN projesi kapsamında bugüne kadar 6 motor üretildiğini, üretilen motorların kalifikasyon testlerinin, planlamalar doğrultusunda bu yıl içerisinde gerçekleştirilmesinin hedeflendiğini açıkladı.

www.trthaber.com

I wonder why no one here is talking about this!?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Even TRT Haber reported this news!

GÜÇHAN Turbofan Jet Motoru için kalifikasyon testleri yıl içinde yapılacak

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı kaynakları, milli imkanlarla geliştirilen GÜÇHAN projesi kapsamında bugüne kadar 6 motor üretildiğini, üretilen motorların kalifikasyon testlerinin, planlamalar doğrultusunda bu yıl içerisinde gerçekleştirilmesinin hedeflendiğini açıkladı.

www.trthaber.com

I wonder why no one here is talking about this!?

Bro acting like any turkish media outlet is trustworthy.
Its a f110 engine nothing else MSB arge is not DARPA.
We'll believe them once they show us some test footage and if TEI (our greatest engine company) is 6+ years away than this is nothing more than propaganda.

 

[Saithan]

Even TRT Haber reported this news!

GÜÇHAN Turbofan Jet Motoru için kalifikasyon testleri yıl içinde yapılacak

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı kaynakları, milli imkanlarla geliştirilen GÜÇHAN projesi kapsamında bugüne kadar 6 motor üretildiğini, üretilen motorların kalifikasyon testlerinin, planlamalar doğrultusunda bu yıl içerisinde gerçekleştirilmesinin hedeflendiğini açıkladı.

www.trthaber.com

I wonder why no one here is talking about this!?

You do know that the Government is the one decided what will be shown as news on state channel right ? I mean ever since they got government powers they've taken control of all media. any media that doesn't report what they want are shutdown one way or another.

 

[Huelague]

Its a f110 engine nothing else

Yes, on external look. What about internal look?

 

[boredaf]

Even TRT Haber reported this news!

GÜÇHAN Turbofan Jet Motoru için kalifikasyon testleri yıl içinde yapılacak

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı kaynakları, milli imkanlarla geliştirilen GÜÇHAN projesi kapsamında bugüne kadar 6 motor üretildiğini, üretilen motorların kalifikasyon testlerinin, planlamalar doğrultusunda bu yıl içerisinde gerçekleştirilmesinin hedeflendiğini açıkladı.

www.trthaber.com

I wonder why no one here is talking about this!?

Because

a- TRT haber is nothing but government propaganda and not trustworthy

b- No one who has been paying attention to Turkish defence industry takes MSB Arge seriously, especially in a subject like a jet engine because they have zero experience in the field, and questionable experience in other areas

c- They also claimed that they produced all of the parts themselves, which is bullshit of the highest order because required expertise and technology to build those parts only exist in TEI.

d- Erdoğan, who loves talking about defence projects, who loves putting his signature on defence projects, who loves posing with defence projects, didn't even talk about them, or go near them at all, let alone signing them.

So, there. There is nothing to talk about except for how their bullshit cast a shadow over otherwise great expo.

 

[Burberryswine]

Because

a- TRT haber is nothing but government propaganda and not trustworthy

b- No one who has been paying attention to Turkish defence industry takes MSB Arge seriously, especially in a subject like a jet engine because they have zero experience in the field, and questionable experience in other areas

c- They also claimed that they produced all of the parts themselves, which is bullshit of the highest order because required expertise and technology to build those parts only exist in TEI.

d- Erdoğan, who loves talking about defence projects, who loves putting his signature on defence projects, who loves posing with defence projects, didn't even talk about them, or go near them at all, let alone signing them.

So, there. There is nothing to talk about except for how their bullshit cast a shadow over otherwise great expo.

ASFAT and AFGM does have a lot of experience with jet engines idk where u got the idea of MSB not having any experience with jet engines thing from

 

[boredaf]

ASFAT and AFGM does have a lot of experience with jet engines idk where u got the idea of MSB not having any experience with jet engines thing from

Maintenance and repair is not the same as designing and producing an engine lad.

 

[Zafer]

Kaan league shaping up, rumored that Pakistan agreement signed for 65 Kaan

 

[Afif]

Kaan league shaping up, rumored that Pakistan agreement signed for 65 Kaan

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Bruh, 65 KAAN would cost something around 13 billions. That's two third of their current forex.

 

[Passenger]

And Pakistan is going to get J-35E later.

 

[Zafer]

Bruh, 65 KAAN would cost something around 13 billions. That's two third of their current forex.

They don't have to be buying them all at once, they can spread it over years. The bigger question is if this is true or not, we need to see more reliable sources. I have only seen a few foreign accounts. This was expected but it could happen years later rather than now. What I am thinking is users want to get production slots before they are all taken. There is lots of diplomatic activity going on for weapons procurement recently.

 

[TR_123456]

Bruh, 65 KAAN would cost something around 13 billions. That's two third of their current forex.

If true they will find a way to finance it,KSA Qatar or both.

 

[Samba]

Bruh, 65 KAAN would cost something around 13 billions. That's two third of their current

Who said they should pay with money

 

[mehmed beg]

15 nukes would do