TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Sanchez]

It takes half the time for the next engine.

You sleep better than me at night.

 

[Zafer]

That's not how any of this worked, ever.

Paradigm change, everything changed, looking forwards not backwards.

 

[Zafer]

You sleep better than me at night.

Making innovation takes a doze of optimism otherwise you stay away from it. When it is only a matter of time you just be patient.

 

[2033]

I still disagree,havent seen anything confirming your assessment of the Kizilelma.

Isn't it the first UCAV to fire an air-to-air missile using its own radar?

 

[TR_123456]

Isn't it the first UCAV to fire an air-to-air missile using its own radar?

Yes but that alone doesnt make it a fighter jet.

 

[boredaf]

I would put it on an unmanned plane by end of 2028

That's because you don't really live in the real world where things like engines have to go through hundreds to thousands of hours of testing on the ground in different conditions, taken apart over and over again and inspected before they are even remotely ready to be put on something flying.

 

[2033]

Yes but that alone doesnt make it a fighter jet.

For an aircraft to be considered a "fighter jet," it must be able to reach supersonic speeds, perform air-to-air missions, and be equipped with radar and electronic warfare systems. Kızılelma is capable of doing all of these.

 

[HKY]

TF6K-10K will primarily power unmanned platforms, Kızılelma and Anka3 . So you could take the risk of losing a few platforms and start deploying them as soon as possible. Kaan , typhon, F-16, F35 vs. are not coming before 2030 and we need aircraft in the air with or without fully developed engines. End of story.

 

[boredaf]

So you could take the risk of losing a few platforms

You might, but none of the companies would and nor would the air force. These drones are not TB2 and neither are the engines that are going to fly them, nor the system that are going to be onboard. You're talking about tens of millions of dollars getting destroyed under uncertain and uncontrolled circumstances as if that is nothing. It could happen over a civilian area or during combat operation in enemy territory, giving away all of its secrets. Not to mention, no company in their right mind would ever allow a half baked system to fly and risk damaging their reputation not just in the country but outside as well.

End of story.

For you, because you don't think about the details, just want results as it is a video game where you click on an icon and KE comes out 30 seconds later. From its engines and frame to its radars and electronics it is a process that is time and resources intensive and we have neither in abundance so much that we can just talk about losing them so casually.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I still disagree,havent seen anything confirming your assessment of the Kizilelma.

Kizilelma has successfully fired a BVR a2a missile with a hit on a fast moving air target. First of it’s kind in the world.
It has used it’s IWBs for air to ground stand off bombing albeit with some level of improvement still to be made. (Tolun glide bomb)

 

[Zafer]

We haven't seen Kızılelma firing a rocket from its IWB yet but it is the last trick it is supposed to pull off before it is done with developing and is probably only a matter of time to do so.

 

[Sanchez]

before it is done with developing

On the contrary, that would show it's only close to being a working product. But that will be still years away from what we envision. KE that will be delivered hopefully this year will not be a combat aircraft.

 

[TR_123456]

Kizilelma has successfully fired a BVR a2a missile with a hit on a fast moving air target. First of it’s kind in the world.
It has used it’s IWBs for air to ground stand off bombing albeit with some level of improvement still to be made. (Tolun glide bomb)

Senior.i dont want to anger you so i wont comment.

 

[Zafer]

See what we've got here,

 

[Pokemonte13]

See what we've got here,

Yeah that’s not happening

 

[Zafer]

Yeah that’s not happening

So we believe you instead of TAI CEO ?

 

[Sanchez]

So we believe you instead of TAI CEO ?

Please.

Who needs to make a handful of defence industry enthusiasts happy, things will happen when they can.

 

[Zafer]

Please.

I have said this before, 2032 promise to a foreign user means long before that date to delivery of the engine to be tested for development purposes. Early 2030 is a date in the scenario when foreign engines are received. If foreign engines are delayed the TF35000 engine timeline can be shortened even further. So even this seemingly early date is actually a lazy date to arrive. If the foreign engine deal had not gotten through the TF35000 engine was slated for 2029 for delivery for production Kaan as Kaan production date is the anchor and engine development is destined to follow Kaan delivery timeline.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Listen to that guy called Ozay Sendir after 8.00
Apparently he has extensive reach to defence industry top guns and politicians related to it, together with top administrators. Real Insider.
He says ; not just 1200+ engineers at TEI ! But a large contingency of engineers from outside with tremendous amount of experience in the field that have come and joined the team responsible to produce the TF35000.

They have realised that this engine stuff is getting urgent!!

 

[Merzifonlu]

If it turns out that engines with adaptive architectures cannot be sustainably maintained, the TF35000 engine could become a priority need not only for us but for others as well.