The Gallipoli Campaign | Why you can't fight wars on the cheap

[GoatsMilk]

When gallipoli happened the greeks were deported out of these areas as they began to sabotage our war effort.

deportations also happened to the armenians in the east who were doing the same in support of the russians.

How the Ottomans ruled for so long and allowed these obvious dangers to exist is madness. The Turkish core and all strategic positions should have been filled with ethnic Turks. Regions that were venerable the people should have been redirected into safer areas for them and for us.

But that was the state of Ottoman rule, no foresight.

Problems over cyprus, loss of all the islands are examples of this foolish Ottoman rule.

 

[Akritas]

When gallipoli happened the greeks were deported out of these areas as they began to sabotage our war effort.

When Gallipoli event happened, Greece was neutral and political divided, because Venizelos was in favour of Allies, and King wanted compromized neutrality.

 

[Ryder]

deportations also happened to the armenians in the east who were doing the same in support of the russians.

How the Ottomans ruled for so long and allowed these obvious dangers to exist is madness. The Turkish core and all strategic positions should have been filled with ethnic Turks. Regions that were venerable the people should have been redirected into safer areas for them and for us.

But that was the state of Ottoman rule, no foresight.

Problems over cyprus, loss of all the islands are examples of this foolish Ottoman rule.

Thats the problem with Turks, Mongols and the Huns.

Non Turks outnumber us while at the same time we give them positions of power and tolerate them as long as they pay taxes.

When we weakened they turned against us.

People can praise this multicultural bs or diversity it has not worked anywhere.

Our biggest mistakes dont forget how the Golden Horde tolerated Russians as long as they paid tribute. Russians bought their time to drive them off.

 

[Ryder]

When Gallipoli event happened, Greece was neutral and political divided, because Venizelos was in favour of Allies, and King wanted compromized neutrality.

Im talking about Greeks in Anatolia under Ottoman rule.

 

[Akritas]

Im talking about Greeks in Anatolia under Ottoman rule.

First let's define words like Anatolia, in that time threre were Greeks in Ionia and Pontus.
Greeks of these regions, were in favour of young turks, because they thought they were influenced by Western political culture (democracy, parliamentarism, equality) and will bring a better Turkey.
They were also negatively influenced by the Sultan, because, on the one hand, with the genocide of the Armenians, who held him responsible, on the other hand, they knew that their turn would come. As it came in Pontus at the 1913-1918 with the genocide of the local Greeks.

 

[Manomed]

First let's define words like Anatolia, in that time threre were Greeks in Ionia and Pontus.
Greeks of these regions, were in favour of young turks, because they thought they were influenced by Western political culture (democracy, parliamentarism, equality) and will bring a better Turkey.
They were also negatively influenced by the Sultan, because, on the one hand, with the genocide of the Armenians, who held him responsible, on the other hand, they knew that their turn would come. As it came in Pontus at the 1913-1918 with the genocide of the local Greeks.

Pontus ain't exactly greek btw they are hellenized georgians/Natives.

 

[Ryder]

First let's define words like Anatolia, in that time threre were Greeks in Ionia and Pontus.
Greeks of these regions, were in favour of young turks, because they thought they were influenced by Western political culture (democracy, parliamentarism, equality) and will bring a better Turkey.
They were also negatively influenced by the Sultan, because, on the one hand, with the genocide of the Armenians, who held him responsible, on the other hand, they knew that their turn would come. As it came in Pontus at the 1913-1918 with the genocide of the local Greeks.

Bs they supported the allies lmaoo they waved their flags even did propaganda to support the allied cause.

 

[Ryder]

You dont see any greeks or armenians fighting in the Ottoman army.

Ataturk once commanded Arab troops they were mainly druze and alawites guess what they all fled once shooting started after that druze and alawites were barred from fighting and were used as cannon fodder because they were useless.

Highest Ottoman desertion rates came from non Turks. Despite mass mobilising every ethnic group in the Empire to fight they either fled, deserted, defected or turned against the Osmanli.

Ottomans and Austro-Hungarians had high desertion rates because the ethnic groups they ruled wanted to break away rather than fighting for them.

Kurds allied with the Ottomans because of their wars with the Armenians. They were nothing more than opportunists and the Turks knew it hence why we kept each other at arms length.

Im not making this shit up at all. Hence why its contreversial.

 

[Akritas]

Pontus ain't exactly greek btw they are hellenized georgians/Natives.

Is this what they teach you in Turkey?
You know what you call them Pontus Rumları or Karadeniz Rumları?
Any way, dont confuse them with the Kafkas Rum.

 

[Akritas]

Bs they supported the allies lmaoo they waved their flags even did propaganda to support the allied cause.

If we always talk about the Greeks of Turkey, it happened when the Allies won the war, that is, 3 years after the events in Gallipoli.

 

[Ardabas34]

First let's define words like Anatolia, in that time threre were Greeks in Ionia and Pontus.
Greeks of these regions, were in favour of young turks, because they thought they were influenced by Western political culture (democracy, parliamentarism, equality) and will bring a better Turkey.
They were also negatively influenced by the Sultan, because, on the one hand, with the genocide of the Armenians, who held him responsible, on the other hand, they knew that their turn would come. As it came in Pontus at the 1913-1918 with the genocide of the local Greeks.

There was no Armenian genocide, there certainly was no Greek genocide.

There was however 2 brutal genocides of the Turks by Greeks and by Armenians. Greeks celebrate Turkish Genocide in every 25 March. Even Greek men of religion described in church annuals the genocide of Turkish population in Crete with an utter disgust.

Greeks to this day justify the Turkish genocide by calling Turks in Crete ''foreign ethnic elements meant to Turkify Greece''
When in reality those Turks were actually descendants of Turkmens in Eastern Anatolia who Ottomans suspected of allying with Safavids or Turkmens who belonged to rivals of Ottoman beylig in 15th century such as Karamanids.
Those poor people didnt have a say to be replaced to Crete in 15th-16th centuries and their descendants were brutally genocided by some ultranationalist Greeks.

 

[Akritas]

You dont see any greeks or armenians fighting in the Ottoman army.

Of course you could see them..... in the labor battalions!!!

 

[GoatsMilk]

There was no Armenian genocide, there certainly was no Greek genocide.

There was however 2 brutal genocides of the Turks by Greeks and by Armenians. Greeks celebrate Turkish Genocide in every 25 March. Even Greek men of religion described in church annuals the genocide of Turkish population in Crete with an utter disgust.

Greeks to this day justify the Turkish genocide by calling Turks in Crete ''foreign ethnic elements meant to Turkify Greece''
When in reality those Turks were actually descendants of Turkmens in Eastern Anatolia who Ottomans suspected of allying with Safavids or Turkmens who belonged to rivals of Ottoman beylig in 15th century such as Karamanids.
Those poor people didnt have a say to be replaced to Crete in 15th-16th centuries and their descendants were brutally genocided by some ultranationalist Greeks.

The last attempted genocide by the greeks was against the Turkish Cypriots 63-74, fortunately Turkey had regained some power and was able to defeat the greeks irrespective of british/russian threats not to intervene.

Just like in the recent Azeri war Turkey had gained enough power to play a positive role on the wider Turkic world.

Whats telling though is the Turks in some cases can rule a people for 1000 years, they dont end up wiping them out or forcing them speak Turkish or become Muslim. But the moment these groups gain a hand over Turks genocide starts right away. We must learn from this.

 

[Ryder]

The last attempted genocide by the greeks was against the Turkish Cypriots 63-74, fortunately Turkey had regained some power and was able to defeat the greeks irrespective of british/russian threats not to intervene.

Just like in the recent Azeri war Turkey had gained enough power to play a positive role on the wider Turkic world.

Whats telling though is the Turks in some cases can rule a people for 1000 years, they dont end up wiping them out or forcing them speak Turkish or become Muslim. But the moment these groups gain a hand over Turks genocide starts right away. We must learn from this.

Our people are all uncle toms. You have Turks on quora apologising to the Greeks about 1955. I forgot Erdogan too apologised about it.

Literally our people are too busy being uncle toms.

Try to mention this especially young generation of Turks only shit they will say you are a racist.

 

[Manomed]

Is this what they teach you in Turkey?
You know what you call them Pontus Rumları or Karadeniz Rumları?
Any way, dont confuse them with the Kafkas Rum.

Pontus people are hellenised natives they are not greeks. Also rum is used as a roman in anatolia by Ottomans. If I look at the ancient history they are just hellenised people.

 

[Manomed]

Pontus people are hellenised natives they are not greeks. Also rum is used as a roman in anatolia by Ottomans. If I look at the ancient history they are just hellenised people.

But I think we should have finished them off too because they seem to be enemies of Turks as well Im just sad that enver didn't finished them off. You can cope and seethe now.

 

[Ryder]

Is this what they teach you in Turkey?
You know what you call them Pontus Rumları or Karadeniz Rumları?
Any way, dont confuse them with the Kafkas Rum.

Kingdom of Pontus is actually ran by a Hellenised Persian dynasty.

Pontic Greeks are more related to Georgians and the Laz.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Our people are all uncle toms. You have Turks on quora apologising to the Greeks about 1955. I forgot Erdogan too apologised about it.

Literally our people are too busy being uncle toms.

Try to mention this especially young generation of Turks only shit they will say you are a racist.

Then its our duty to wake them up.

Ataturk and the people around him faced things you and me wouldn't experience in a thousand years of life, yet they didn't give up.

 

[Ravenman]

Abdulhamid II laid orders for the dardenelles to be mined but sea mines also extended into the black sea to keep Russians out.

Sea mines were done because the navy was not good enough. Due to wide range of factors like money, tech and abdulhamid ii fearing a coup from the navy.

Credit where its due it was smart to sea mine the dardanelles because it was a bottleneck.

But having a shit navy is what caused gallipoli to happen. In ww1 even if you keep gallipoli out.

The allies still ravaged our ports with blockades and naval bombardments. While their submarines sunk our supply ships.

In 1918 they bombed istanbul with planes. It was pretty shitty overall when you look at the situation.

Read history. Its a fact, the canons and artillery fortifications at the Dardanelles and Bosporus were placed by Abdulhamid II, because he knew that World War I would happen.

The 3 Pasha's new this and luckily didnt remove the defences.

 

[Manomed]

Read history. Its a fact, the canons and artillery fortifications at the Dardanelles and Bosporus were placed by Abdulhamid II, because he knew that World War I would happen.

The 3 Pasha's new this and luckily didnt remove the defences.

Typical zaza being against Republic you would behead Turkish soldiers too If the order is given right?