There was a coup in Myanmar

[Bogeyman]

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[Bogeyman]

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Myanmar coup: Aung San Suu Kyi detained as military seizes control

The army seizes elected leaders and imposes a curfew, alleging fraud in November's election.

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[Saithan]

Turkey condemns coup in Myanmar, urges release of detainees

Turkey’s Foreign Ministry strongly condemned the Myanmar military for carrying out a coup d'etat while urging military authorities to release all...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Costin84]

A military junta claiming elections were a fraud, you don't hear this every day.

 

[Anmdt]

Wonder who is backing the junta? China or US?

 

[R4duga]

Wonder who is backing the junta? China or US?

judging by most of their weapon arsenal originated from ....

 

[Nilgiri]

Wonder who is backing the junta? China or US?

Take a wild guess.

 

[sarthak]

Hmm junta has come out in open for some reason. I don't think there was anything they didn't control earlier the whole Rohingya crisis (genocide) happened when there was democratic government (supposedly) maybe the democratic government wanted close relations with west so PRC supported the coup. One important thing to remember would be that usa had imposed sanctions on Myanmar military officers including army chief so most likely they wouldn't support the military taking power.

 

[BordoEnes]

No good sides here. One side massacres and actively tries to eradicate Rohinya's whilst the other is military dictatorship with little regard for whats good for their country.

So... fuck em all.

 

[Nilgiri]

No good sides here. One side massacres and actively tries to eradicate Rohinya's whilst the other is military dictatorship with little regard for whats good for their country.

So... fuck em all.

There was no other side, it was military all along tbh.

Aung san su kyi (and cabinet and legislature etc) was just to give some slight air of credibility, and it was tossed aside during rohingya genocide completely (this was all military directed and aung san suu kyi was simply told to play ball)

Its a military run country through and through. One look at constitution and parliament setup (where the vetos etc are) will tell you enough. Past that there is even more khaki.

 

[BordoEnes]

There was no other side, it was military all along tbh.

Aung san su kyi (and cabinet and legislature etc) was just to give some slight air of credibility, and it was tossed aside during rohingya genocide completely (this was all military directed and aung san suu kyi was simply told to play ball)

Its a military run country through and through. One look at constitution and parliament setup (where the vetos etc are) will tell you enough. Past that there is even more khaki.

Then we have a genocidal military dictatorship on one side whilst the other an insignificant superficial goverment who allows it all to happen. Point still stands. No good sides here, not one where we can collectively get behind to oppose them atleast.

 

[Nilgiri]

Then we have a genocidal military dictatorship on one side whilst the other an insignificant superficial goverment who allows it all to happen. Point still stands. No good sides here, not one where we can collectively get behind to oppose them atleast.

Its a complicated country with a particular history.

A huge amount is driven by rivalry pressure from Thailand....given Thailand has done far better economically (and these two were peers in history with lot of wars etc in the past).

A military complex has grown in Myanmar in different way because of this too, as they see they were defeated and colonized by British, whereas Siam was not. This all has legacy in how burmese see rohingya too (given the history of arakan and the sultanate there w.r.t british)

If you ask me, the world should have intervened strongly during early 90s when the first election was usurped....it was still fairly moldable then, the situation and USA was very powerful given cold war had ended....and China was weak still.

Military has just metastasized into everything in meantime (known as SLORC)...it is near north korean level of dictatorship essentially. Both share strong PRC patronage as well.

They (Burmese military) keep very close eye on buddhist monk clergy too (they made sure these guys got their share of wealth from tourism etc after that was opened up big time in the 2000s)...that is really their only internal power threat.

I could have told this was inevitably going to happen back when the whole "democratic" process sham started. It was just to give a cover and veneer to the regime. Why would they ever be serious about forking out power to others, when they have it all guaranteed and can sell the world a story to buy some more time and then repeat process again as needed (given huge Chinese investment into natural resources etc).

There is reason also why Aung San Suu Kyi never once spoke against the military (though it was them that imprisoned her in house arrest for so long and again now). Her dad was general after all (and considered founding father of the modern nation).....there is no (even cursory) route to power without showing deep respect to the military regime.

@Joe Shearer can probably add more to this.

 

[Indos]

No good sides here. One side massacres and actively tries to eradicate Rohinya's whilst the other is military dictatorship with little regard for whats good for their country.

So... fuck em all.

We dont know who initiate that Rohingya massacre, it is actually done by the military right ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Its a complicated country with a particular history.

A huge amount is driven by rivalry pressure from Thailand....given Thailand has done far better economically (and these two were peers in history with lot of wars etc in the past).

A military complex has grown in Myanmar in different way because of this too, as they see they were defeated and colonized by British, whereas Siam was not. This all has legacy in how burmese see rohingya too (given the history of arakan and the sultanate there w.r.t british)

If you ask me, the world should have intervened strongly during early 90s when the first election was usurped....it was still fairly moldable then, the situation and USA was very powerful given cold war had ended....and China was weak still.

Military has just metastasized into everything in meantime (known as SLORC)...it is near north korean level of dictatorship essentially. Both share strong PRC patronage as well.

They (Burmese military) keep very close eye on buddhist monk clergy too (they made sure these guys got their share of wealth from tourism etc after that was opened up big time in the 2000s)...that is really their only internal power threat.

I could have told this was inevitably going to happen back when the whole "democratic" process sham started. It was just to give a cover and veneer to the regime. Why would they ever be serious about forking out power to others, when they have it all guaranteed and can sell the world a story to buy some more time and then repeat process again as needed (given huge Chinese investment into natural resources etc).

There is reason also why Aung San Suu Kyi never once spoke against the military (though it was them that imprisoned her in house arrest for so long and again now). Her dad was general after all (and considered founding father of the modern nation).....there is no (even cursory) route to power without showing deep respect to the military regime.

@Joe Shearer can probably add more to this.

Burmese politics is a complicated thing, and as an Indian who is used to thinking in certain fixed ways about political labels and ideologies, looking at our neighbours and trying to figure out what they were trying To do was, at first, an utterly confusing task. One key was to look at the history of Burma and of Aung San himself. It used To seem at times that Suu Kyi played a tragic, Benazir-like role, doomed to carry out an agenda dictated by a dead, heroically martyred father. One encounters that streak of democratic feeling overwhelmed by the need to stay relevant, the Faust-like bargain with the dark, another streak of ethno-nationalism, a party that was an embodied death-wish...the tragedy will run its course, as it did in Mediterranean winters centuries ago, with all the onlookers achingly aware of the denouement, yet helpless to shout out and warm the doomed players on stage of their onrushing fate.

 

[VCheng]

A military junta claiming elections were a fraud, you don't hear this every day.

When a junta decides to lay in the boots, any excuse will do.

Military has just metastasized into everything in meantime

Yeah, cancers do that.

 

[Joe Shearer]

We dont know who initiate that Rohingya massacre, it is actually done by the military right ?

In such situations, it is difficult and almost irrelevant to try and disentangle the combinations involved. A soldier in plain clothes, carrying a dao, a monk screaming to people to burn everything in sight, a civilian with a torch - who is going up to them and asking for id?

 

[Indos]

In such situations, it is difficult and almost irrelevant to try and disentangle the combinations involved. A soldier in plain clothes, carrying a dao, a monk screaming to people to burn everything in sight, a civilian with a torch - who is going up to them and asking for id?

What I mean to say is that Aung San Suki may or may not involve in Rohingya massacre. It could be intiated and done by military alone and Aung San Suki just cannot go against military at this situation because the Burmese people also supported the action to kick out Rohingya from their own country. What we can see that Burmese now understand that "karma" does work

 

[what]

I remember seeing those small clips on MTV about Aung San Suu Kyi being imprisoned when I was a child and how people were happy when she was released. And then years later looked the other way or even supported ethnic cleansing.

 

[Nilgiri]

We dont know who initiate that Rohingya massacre, it is actually done by the military right ?

There was a few stages involved since the 1990s...especially after the citizenship ID law was written to exclude them.

The most recent vicious episode was (apparently) prompted by escalation of attacks by various armed militant groups on Myanmar military.

Tatmadaw had already laid the basic contours and plans of what they wanted to do if the cassus belli revealed itself as strong enough for the prevailing Bamar sentiment....that had already long been sown and cultivated on this issue.

What I mean to say is that Aung San Suki may or may not involve in Rohingya massacre. It could be intiated and done by military alone and Aung San Suki just cannot go against military at this situation because the Burmese people also supported the action to kick out Rohingya from their own country. What we can see that Burmese now understand that "karma" does work

She was not personally involved....but she is culpable (given she knows what happened).

The military is not beholden to her....they do what they want, when they want and as they want (when it comes to issue they can easily get their way on)....and she just rubber stamps it and defends it (w.r.t this "demoracy" arrangement). That has always been the agreement....rohingya are rank bottom of the scapegoats for this.

While kachin and shan rebels operated in large number (and shan often with weapons and training from China), tatmadaw could not consolidate the forces needed for this genocide....but the intent always resided with them as they use a strict ethnic purity test (by way of religion and language) for nationhood narrative.

They slorc/tatmadaw used the democratic peace process with aung san suu kyi to put to rest the confict with these other Burmese groups.

The world (and west/US especially) got some feeling that meant that democracy itself was entrenching in Burma. It feels good, but it was a lie.

I remember seeing those small clips on MTV about Aung San Suu Kyi being imprisoned when I was a child and how people were happy when she was released. And then years later looked the other way or even supported ethnic cleansing.

Yes a most unfortunate thing....at one point she was the only one the military feared. As joe said earlier w.r.t Aung San (her father)....this history is extremely important to understanding Burma.

She has ruined her name for good. Sometimes you have to take a stand of righteousness, no matter the cost to yourself....in the interest of the larger future (even if majority populist sentiment is against you).

She knew how to do this clearly if needed....but she didn't this time....she went with the mob and military instead.

I say this knowing she knows it was the same military that kept her from attending to her husband (in UK with terminal cancer) and later his funeral too.....for they would not let her back in country if she did.

I always assumed that must have put something in her that she saved if she ever got a position to call them out.

The mute acquiescence and then support of them....left me confounded and disturbed....and I guess I and others were taken for a ride about all of this before.

At most there are just a few journalists now in Burma that have a vocal and moral standing (and are punished and silenced for it).

 

[Nilgiri]

Biden threatens sanctions on Myanmar after military coup

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden on Monday threatened new sanctions on Myanmar after its military staged a coup and arrested the civilian leaders of its government, including Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi.

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