TR Navy Torpedo & Mine Programs

[Strong AI]

Torpedo with 100km range cool.
On the other hand sonars can't detect submarines over 50km. So could we say it is anti-ship torpedo?

Why not against both?

 

[Anmdt]

So we also have 2 heavyweight torpedo programs as well.(after two ramjet long range missile program)

I don't know what to say other than " ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "

Nah we don't. There is only HWT project so far and it is Akya - TN also participates in this project. MSB is trying to steal some scene - and fund some people here.

MSB R&D is ,more or less, a joke. Nothing further (insert a big period here).

 

[Anmdt]

Why not against both?

You can't easily track and identify surface or underwater threats beyond a range (not dropping it here). Take this 100 km (even though the project has no concrete foundation) as part of reattempt - wake trailing and so on kind of a 'total distance traveled'. Thus not the interception range, shall i iterate again that this project, more or less, is a joke to entire defence industry?

 

[TheInsider]

ASW and ASuW are complicated operations. The Navy will deploy USVs, UUVs, UAVs, sonobuoys and manned patrol aircraft with anti-submarine capabilities so a manned asset armed with a 100km torpedo is not dependent solely on its own sonar and can still use a long range torpedo with the data gathered from other assets.

 

[Strong AI]

MSB R&D is ,more or less, a joke. Nothing further (insert a big period here).

I can't comment on their naval department, but NEB HAYALET and GAZAP don't look like money grab to me.

 

[Anmdt]

I can't comment on their naval department, but NEB HAYALET and GAZAP don't look like money grab to me.

Strangely those two and one land rocket seems legit. But again; why do we need MSB R&D on top of SAGE, MKE, Roketsan R&D Dept. MSB R&D much lesslikely to have a production facility - what's their purpose there? Reverse engineering, vacuuming R&D from other companies and releasing it as their own?

 

[uçuyorum]

Strangely those two and one land rocket seems legit. But again; why do we need MSB R&D on top of SAGE, MKE, Roketsan R&D Dept. MSB R&D much lesslikely to have a production facility - what's their purpose there? Reverse engineering, vacuuming R&D from other companies and releasing it as their own?

As i understand its something like they being tired of relying on industry on a certain things they feel are being delayred too much

 

[Turkic]

Strangely those two and one land rocket seems legit. But again; why do we need MSB R&D on top of SAGE, MKE, Roketsan R&D Dept. MSB R&D much lesslikely to have a production facility - what's their purpose there? Reverse engineering, vacuuming R&D from other companies and releasing it as their own?

*Just my humble opinion*

I think the opposite way. I thought it was for trying/developing new techs and providing products or technologies to our defence industry. Either by giving them production licence or know-how. No doubt they're using the know-how from all companies meanwhile.

Shortly I thought it as another SAGE but with no production facility.

But it's not possible since they're already mass producing some ammunitions. I don't know if they said they're producing in their facilities tho.

 

[Anmdt]

*Just my humble opinion*

I think the opposite way. I thought it was for trying/developing new techs and providing products or technologies to our defence industry. Either by giving them production licence or know-how. No doubt they're using the know-how from all companies meanwhile.

Shortly I thought it as another SAGE but with no production facility.

But it's not possible since they're already mass producing some ammunitions. I don't know if they said they're producing in their facilities tho.

Ok so why do we have SAGE then? Or why do we need both?
SAGE is not a sole department for R&D, it relies on TUBITAK ecosystem if you are familiar with it. They have access to facilities and know-how in other TUBITAK depts.
It is another SAGE-imitator, particularly where our tax money goes down into feeding some ATM junkies. There are good people in MSB R&D as well but whatever they seem to do safely falling within responsibility of MKE (state company), Roketsan (foundation company - also state's) and SAGE (institute). It just shouldn't exists, MSB is not responsible with R&D but outly the details and manage these R&D projects.

 

[TheInsider]

I did some digging about MSB ARGE and came to the conclusion that they want to be the R&D center of ASFAT. As you know, all military factories and shipyards came under the ASFAT company. ASFAT is owned by MOD, MSB ARGE is also owned by MOD and wants to be advanced R&D center of that structure so MOD will have both factories to mass produce products and develop new products with its own R&D center. You might ask to what end? There are multiple reasons. The first one is SSB and MOD not always see eye to eye. MOD is not always happy with the solutions presented to them, so now MOD can create its own solutions and produce them in its own factories. The second and IMHO real and important reason is that MOD also wants a "share" of the defence industry "pie; they want military factories to be more than just a maintenance center of TAF.