Air-Force Turkey asks U.S. to buy 40 F-16 jets to upgrade Air Force

[Combat-Master]

"The result of the F-16V deal could make or break Turkey’s alliance with the United States."

Turkey’s Push for the F-16V Is About More Than Fighter Jets

It was the F-16 Fighting Falcon which once anchored a “special” military alliance between Turkey and the United States. Decades later, advanced F-16 sales may seal the fate of the Turkish-American strategic ties, as well as Turkey’s geopolitical orientation.

nationalinterest.org

 

[Bogeyman]

If Turkey Wants the F-16, Ankara Must Act Against Iran​

If Turkey Wants the F-16, Ankara Must Act Against Iran

In one move, President Joe Biden can stop Turkey’s spiral out of the Western orbit while strengthening U.S. national security with a blow against Iran.

nationalinterest.org

 

[Zafer]

If the US want to sell F16 to Turkey the US should bend over.

 

[Lool]

If Turkey Wants the F-16, Ankara Must Act Against Iran​

If Turkey Wants the F-16, Ankara Must Act Against Iran

In one move, President Joe Biden can stop Turkey’s spiral out of the Western orbit while strengthening U.S. national security with a blow against Iran.

nationalinterest.org

Will be difficult to do so tbh
Lets not forget that Turkey needs Iran for its trade railway from Turkey to Pakistan which makes many turkish goods more competitive against their counterparts in Asia which will aid exports
Moreover, rumors about new trade route from the UAE to Turkey, through Iran, is being mentioned. Such rumors, if true, can push the exports by a few billions more every month and will reduce imports prices
I dont think Erdo will throw all of that away just to please Biden since even if he did so, US stance towards Turkey wont change until Turkey's attitude towards PKK, EEZ dispute with greece, rise in national defense industry, rise in geopolitical influencd, and aiding the palestinian regimes like Hezbollah change

 

[GoatsMilk]

If the US want to sell F16 to Turkey the US should bend over.

This is how i would imagine erdogan and ak party think about geopolitical matters. We see where it is getting us.

 

[Lool]

If the US want to sell F16 to Turkey the US should bend over.

Mate what are you talking about?
It is Turkey that needs the F16s, lool. Why on bloody earth would the US bend over?
In fact, just reading that Turkey cant get its 1.4 billion back and instead decided to buy F16s to please the US and aid their companies rather than taking them back instead is a fqing joke
I would take that 1.4 billion and buy the second hand british typhoon jets as a stop gap until TFX is completed

 

[Zafer]

Mate what are you talking about?
It is Turkey that needs the F16s, lool. Why on bloody earth would the US bend over?
In fact, just reading that Turkey cant get its 1.4 billion back and instead decided to buy F16s to please the US and aid their companies rather than taking them back instead is a fqing joke
I would take that 1.4 billion and buy the second hand british typhoon jets as a stop gap until TFX is completed

We don't need additional F16s, we are just making moves to get back the money we paid upfront. Buying F16s gives to the US 3 times the money we have paid for the F35s. So it is the US that will profit from it while Turkey will get F16 that we do not need. Asking for such political benefits that the US will never get otherwise is no go. If they want to profit from selling weapons to Turkey they should compromise rather than asking Turkey to bend.

 

[Anastasius]

It's pointless anyway because Democrat administrations, as a general rule, don't really care about Iran. Especially since both Obama and Biden significantly scaled back US measures against them. Additionally, telling Turkey to stop trading with Iran is useless because even if Turkey did so, Europe wouldn't and Iranian goods would still find a way there through other channels. You want a Turkish trade ban to have any effect, first tell Europe to stop trading with Iran under the table.

This feels like some old-school Republican logic where they think that US geopolitical considerations have remained unchanged from the right-wing mentality of the early-to-mid 2000s, only now there's also China.

 

[mulj]

If Turkey Wants the F-16, Ankara Must Act Against Iran​

If Turkey Wants the F-16, Ankara Must Act Against Iran

In one move, President Joe Biden can stop Turkey’s spiral out of the Western orbit while strengthening U.S. national security with a blow against Iran.

nationalinterest.org

So, this is newest lame excuze in order to maintain low cold relations with Turkey.
Now i am thinking that usa will probably stop selling engines for Hurjet program once you need them for mass production just to screw it, if i am planer i would incorporate precaution measeures in program that engine unit could be replaced on industrial scale in relatively short time.

 

[Huelague]

If Turkey Wants the F-16, Ankara Must Act Against Iran​

If Turkey Wants the F-16, Ankara Must Act Against Iran

In one move, President Joe Biden can stop Turkey’s spiral out of the Western orbit while strengthening U.S. national security with a blow against Iran.

nationalinterest.org

No problem if we get something in return. South Azerbaijan. Regine change, which is friendly to us. Increasing trade volume. Resolutely fighting PKK. New gas pipeline via Turkey to EU. Iranian Proxies have to quit Iraq....Than we can do this together. Not to forget. The possible refugees has to hosts by EU of course.

 

[Huelague]

I forget to add F-35B.

 

[Anastasius]

So, this is newest lame excuze in order to maintain low cold relations with Turkey.
Now i am thinking that usa will probably stop selling engines for Hurjet program once you need them for mass production just to screw it, if i am planer i would incorporate precaution measeures in program that engine unit could be replaced on industrial scale in relatively short time.

It's just an article by a think-tank, not actual US policy.

 

[mulj]

It's just an article by a think-tank, not actual US policy.

It has some merit anyway and would not be suprised if it occurs to be published officially by state department.

 

[Xenon54]

Will be difficult to do so tbh
Lets not forget that Turkey needs Iran for its trade railway from Turkey to Pakistan which makes many turkish goods more competitive against their counterparts in Asia which will aid exports
Moreover, rumors about new trade route from the UAE to Turkey, through Iran, is being mentioned. Such rumors, if true, can push the exports by a few billions more every month and will reduce imports prices
I dont think Erdo will throw all of that away just to please Biden since even if he did so, US stance towards Turkey wont change until Turkey's attitude towards PKK, EEZ dispute with greece, rise in national defense industry, rise in geopolitical influencd, and aiding the palestinian regimes like Hezbollah change

The sea route is much cheaper than land route usually, and also dont forget that Iran is taking very high fees from Turkish goods and drivers passing from its territory.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Jordan – F-16 C/D Block 70 Aircraft | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

US administration has approved the sale of 16 F16 V block-70 aircrafts to The Kingdom of Jordan with extensive quantities of spares and weapons at a value of 4.21 billion dollars.
If not declined within a month by the Congress the sale procedures will commence.
There are two issues here;
First one is a non NATO country (albeit Jordan is classed as a “NATO ally”) is being allowed to have modern 4.5 generation fighter jets ahead of Turkey, while Turkey’s request is still unanswered.
Second issue is the cost of this deal. While Slovakia has ordered 14 of these fighters at a cost of 800 million dollars (mind you, original deal was for 1.8 billion. But with a firm-fixed-price-incentive, the price for the deal was set at 800million). The Jordanian order is like an inflated sale contract for parts and weapons more than a fighter jet sale.

Lockheed awarded $800 million Slovakia F-16 fighter jet contract

Lockheed Martin was awarded an almost $800 million contract to produce and support F-16 fighter jets for Slovakia

www.thedefensepost.com

 

[Zafer]

Jordan – F-16 C/D Block 70 Aircraft | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

US administration has approved the sale of 16 F16 V block-70 aircrafts to The Kingdom of Jordan with extensive quantities of spares and weapons at a value of 4.21 billion dollars.
If not declined within a month by the Congress the sale procedures will commence.
There are two issues here;
First one is a non NATO country (albeit Jordan is classed as a “NATO ally”) is being allowed to have modern 4.5 generation fighter jets ahead of Turkey, while Turkey’s request is still unanswered.
Second issue is the cost of this deal. While Slovakia has ordered 14 of these fighters at a cost of 800 million dollars (mind you, original deal was for 1.8 billion. But with a firm-fixed-price-incentive, the price for the deal was set at 800million). The Jordanian order is like an inflated sale contract for parts and weapons more than a fighter jet sale.

Lockheed awarded $800 million Slovakia F-16 fighter jet contract

Lockheed Martin was awarded an almost $800 million contract to produce and support F-16 fighter jets for Slovakia

www.thedefensepost.com

This is ridiculous, US$ 263 mn per F16. How can a government agree to that. This is enslaving the population, making them work all their lives to pay the never ending debt that is spent to something that does not even have a reasonable return.

 

[Yasar_TR]

This is ridiculous, US$ 263 mn per F16. How can a government agree to that. This is enslaving the population, making them work all their lives to pay the never ending debt that is spent to something that does not even have a reasonable return.

If the actual monies are coming out of Gulf States/Saudi coffers, does it really matter?

 

[Akritas]

First one is a non NATO country (albeit Jordan is classed as a “NATO ally”) is being allowed to have modern 4.5 generation fighter jets ahead of Turkey, while Turkey’s request is still unanswered.

UAE has the most advance F-16 block 60 in the world, with features more advanced than similar U.S. Jets.

 

[Zafer]

If the actual monies are coming out of Gulf States/Saudi coffers, does it really matter?

American made weapons deployed anywhere only serve American purposes, these weapons can only fight against adversaries of the US and no one else.

 

[Oublious]

Jordan – F-16 C/D Block 70 Aircraft | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

US administration has approved the sale of 16 F16 V block-70 aircrafts to The Kingdom of Jordan with extensive quantities of spares and weapons at a value of 4.21 billion dollars.
If not declined within a month by the Congress the sale procedures will commence.
There are two issues here;
First one is a non NATO country (albeit Jordan is classed as a “NATO ally”) is being allowed to have modern 4.5 generation fighter jets ahead of Turkey, while Turkey’s request is still unanswered.
Second issue is the cost of this deal. While Slovakia has ordered 14 of these fighters at a cost of 800 million dollars (mind you, original deal was for 1.8 billion. But with a firm-fixed-price-incentive, the price for the deal was set at 800million). The Jordanian order is like an inflated sale contract for parts and weapons more than a fighter jet sale.

Lockheed awarded $800 million Slovakia F-16 fighter jet contract

Lockheed Martin was awarded an almost $800 million contract to produce and support F-16 fighter jets for Slovakia

www.thedefensepost.com

A lesson to be learned, if MENA countries except Qatar and Oman comes for defence project. You milk them out litteraly, if UAE wants buy something give them the highest price you can. No ToT nothing, you buy it? To expensive no weapon for you.