TR Turkey at the table to buy business jet manufacturer SyberJet

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The SJ30i/x is nearly half of Embraer Praetor jets. Embraer Cabin length is 8.2 meters. The wingspan is 21 meters. MTOW approx 19 tons. SyberJet cabin length is 3.8 meters, wingspan is 12.9 meters, MTOW is approximately 6400 kg. While one of them is in the VLJ/LJ class and the other is in the mid-size/super mid-size jet category.
 
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The SJ30i/x is nearly half of Embraer Praetor jets. Embraer Cabin length is 8.2 meters. The wingspan is 21 meters. MTOW approx 19 tons. SyberJet cabin length is 3.8 meters, wingspan is 12.9 meters, MTOW is approximately 6400 kg. While one of them is in the VLJ/LJ class and the other is in the mid-size/super mid-size jet category.
What holds you from making bigger jets?
Other than certification costs of course.
 

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The SJ30i/x is nearly half of Embraer Praetor jets. Embraer Cabin length is 8.2 meters. The wingspan is 21 meters. MTOW approx 19 tons. SyberJet cabin length is 3.8 meters, wingspan is 12.9 meters, MTOW is approximately 6400 kg. While one of them is in the VLJ/LJ class and the other is in the mid-size/super mid-size jet category.
Thanks for the stats. The range is also double for the praetor at around 7 000-8000 km while the sj30 has a range of around 4500 km.
 

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What holds you from making bigger jets?
Other than certification costs of course.
Bro, Let's deal get clear, and know specifications. I don't know if the investing company has such a goal or if they are already investing because they see the market opportunity in the VLJ class, what kind of cooperation the deal covers. For example, does SSB stand on the sidelines of this work, is government support targeted or just a private initiative... If a new airframe design is to be started, which facility will work on it, If there will be a facility in TR, when will it be ready, who will finance it, produced for whom, and which institution will undertake the certification.

So, since I don't have clear answers for all these questions, all I can say right now just can be related to the statements made to the press. The Sj30i is an aircraft that has been trying to be marketed for about 10 years. This aircraft was offered to UAE, Chinese investors. As we understand from the news, an Ankara-based aviation company has invested in this project and aims to make its production in Turkiye. The company that was bought or whose project was bought has been working on this airframe for more than 20 years.
 
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Bro, Let's deal get clear, and know specifications. I don't know if the investing company has such a goal or if they are already investing because they see the market opportunity in the VLJ class, what kind of cooperation the deal covers. For example, does SSB stand on the sidelines of this work, is government support targeted or just a private initiative... If a new airframe design is to be started, which facility will work on it, If there will be a facility in TR, when will it be ready, who will finance it, produced for whom, and which institution will undertake the certification.

So, since I don't have clear answers for all these questions, all I can say right now just can be related to the statements made to the press. The Sj30i is an aircraft that has been trying to be marketed for about 10 years. This aircraft was offered to UAE, Chinese investors. As we understand from the news, an Ankara-based aviation company has invested in this project and aims to make its production in Turkiye. The company that was bought or whose project was bought has been working on this airframe for more than 20 years.
The CEO of the company is a woman who is an aviation engineer. They are looking to found a final assembly place at a quite airport where they can do their flight tests from. She said that because they hold the right to it they will be able to extend the plane names list down the road.

 
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The CEO of the company is a woman who is an aviation engineer. They are looking to found a final assembly place at a quite airport where they can do their flight tests from. She said that because they hold the right to it they will be able to extend the plane names list down the road.

You are right, we also see that the company has plans in this area.

  • In the first quarter of 2023, the kits of the aircraft will arrive in Turkiye.
  • The final assembly line will be located at the leased airport,
  • OSTIM aviation cluster (OSSA) will take part in the production of parts.
  • All license about design and industrial rights of the aircraft were purchased.
  • Aircraft's cabin expansions such as Sj35/36 may be possible via the current sj30 infrastructure.
  • It is aimed to update the engine configuration with the X variant.
  • Testing of the aircraft will be completed here, and will be flown to the USA for final cabin interior fitting, because market is there.

Another important detail is that the aviation cluster in OSTIM has reached 7 billion dollars in new investments. It probably does not stand out much due to its nature, but we have the far most strongest aviation industry in the region.

We can say that OSSA sees this project as an opportunity to bring the production of other competitors in the class to Turkiye. The OSTIM official added that the acquire of the know-how and rights of this aircraft to TR is an opportunity to transform this aircraft into a larger platform.
 

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You are right, we also see that the company has plans in this area.

  • In the first quarter of 2023, the kits of the aircraft will arrive in Turkiye.
  • The final assembly line will be located at the leased airport,
  • OSTIM aviation cluster (OSSA) will take part in the production of parts.
  • All license about design and industrial rights of the aircraft were purchased.
  • Aircraft's cabin expansions such as Sj35/36 may be possible via the current sj30 infrastructure.
  • It is aimed to update the engine configuration with the X variant.
  • Testing of the aircraft will be completed here, and will be flown to the USA for final cabin interior fitting, because market is there.

Another important detail is that the aviation cluster in OSTIM has reached 7 billion dollars in new investments. It probably does not stand out much due to its nature, but we have the far most strongest aviation industry in the region.

We can say that OSSA sees this project as an opportunity to bring the production of other competitors in the class to Turkiye. The OSTIM official added that the acquire of the know-how and rights of this aircraft to TR is an opportunity to transform this aircraft into a larger platform.
This is actually good since Turkey wanted to build larger platforms of such planes
Turkey initially wanted to co-operate with countries like Indonesia but it seems that the indonesians didnt want to give the designs they made for their planes it seems

Buying Syberjet provides a new alternative to Turkey in which it wont have to share any tech with anybody at all. This is a really good deal and worth every penny spent on it
 

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This is actually good since Turkey wanted to build larger platforms of such planes
Turkey initially wanted to co-operate with countries like Indonesia but it seems that the indonesians didnt want to give the designs they made for their planes it seems

Buying Syberjet provides a new alternative to Turkey in which it wont have to share any tech with anybody at all. This is a really good deal and worth every penny spent on it
The problem here is not design related. Much can be written about the distance Turkish aviation industry has come, both in the structurals field and in terms of design and testing capabilities. But if we're going to talk about the civilian market rather than military purposes, it's important to keep in mind that there are too many 'other' factors here. Even the airworthiness licensing processes and potential markets is actually partly related to the political side of the issue.

Basically, It's mostly about profitability. TR can design and manufacture their own platforms. However, in order for the private sector to run such an organization with its own resources, it will need stable and strong sales success. Previously, it was desired to take some steps towards regional airline transportation via Dornier jets. However, as a result of the feasibility studies carried out by both institutions and Turkish airlines, the project could not progress for some reason and finally stopped completely, since there is a very intense competition in that class and the cost of seat/flight cannot create any advantage for airline companies.

The VLJ class is already a rapidly growing sector. By purchasing a ready-made platform, even airworthiness tests of which have been completed, the investor company in Turkiye has saved a period of 10 years and not miss the opportunity of the next 20 years in the market. Shifting Syberjet's production to TR will create an average of 30% cost advantage. OSSA also sees this as an opportunity because this cost difference will drive other manufacturers here.

Why don't aviation giants like TAI in Turkiye enter this field directly, because they are currently carrying out a large number of MSB projects beyond their capacity. Put the UAV and training jet projects aside, the MMU project alone is a big challenge in itself. In the helicopter field, they are on their way to becoming a truly global player. Not to mention all the integration and modernization activities other than these.

In other words, it will be a much stronger strategy in terms of resource planning for the OSSA cluster to collectively increase its volume by using such private initiatives and to obtain final assembly lines in the field of business/cargo/regional jets, that will be gained from the global market.
 

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BMH Aviation co-founder and investor Hakan Celikoglu:

Turkiye has a well-developed aerospace industry that has invested $7 billion in infrastructure. We have about 70 international supplier companies with AS9100 certification. This certificate represents the highest international quality standard in the sector and requires at least 10 years of experience in the sector.

Turkiye has also developed a very serious design and test capability. Our human resources are very good and our infrastructure is excellent. Producing aircraft in Turkiye is never a problem. All components are ready, only an infrastructure is needed to sell them. For this purpose, we have taken the ownership of a globally recognised and popular business jet, opened another company in Turkiye with the ownership of that company, for produced the aircraft here and sell it abroad.

If managed well, aircraft production in Turkiye is much more economical. If I, as a company, support my subcontractor and make him certified, this production can be realised much more economically.

We will not only produce the aircraft, but we will also move the design activities of the next aircraft to TR. We are also working on electric and hydrogen propelled models. Firstly, there is the ready design Syberjet Sj30. Sj50 is in design, then Sj70 will come.

This aircraft was started to be designed by Edward Swearingen, a valuable designer, in 1986 for very special purposes. Some of the features that make this aircraft special are that it has the longest range for its size, it has a range of up to 2500 nautical miles, it can fly at 49000 feet above passenger aircraft, and it can keep the cabin pressure at sea level up to 41000 feet. It has an ambulance certificate and the door is suitable for this. It is a very fast aircraft. And one of its most important features is that its ability to carry the pressure falling on its wing is extraordinarily high, so that it can fly like a passenger aircraft even in bad weather conditions. In other words, it has the ability to fly independent of weather conditions.

The aircraft has a 5+2 design, but can be configured as 1+6 since it is a single pilot certified class. One of the special features of the aircraft is that it can take off and land from any runway. It can land on 700 metre runways. It is a technologically very advanced light jet, there are great innovations in design, the engineers working on this project will learn a lot.

We are currently working on further lightening of this aircraft. We are working with Turkish subcontractors and there are big companies that we have agreements with, such as Savronik, who are undertaking all the wiring and avionics systems of the aircraft. There is the company Küçük Pazarlı, they have the capability to do the main fuselage and under wings of the aircraft, and we are discussing to give all cabin/seat responsibility to Türkish Cabin Interior TCI. Especially in the business jet class, cabin services in TR are very superior, we have such advantages. We cannot give the names of other companies at this stage, we have companies that we are at the point of agreement.

Since the company in TR is a wholly owned subsidiary of Syberjet in the US, the intellectual rights of the aircraft to be built in the branch office in Turkiye for its own company will also belong to Turkiye. There will be a main design office in TR, but since our main market will be the USA, the offices there will also remain.

Our aim is to reduce the cost of the aircraft as much as possible. And even, I cannot give a name right now, but we will go to a structure that will rent the aircraft like renting a car from a mobile phone application and make your Aircraft ready at the airport.

We are in the same class as light jets such as HondaJet and Embraer100 etc., but our range is almost double. We offer the range advantage of jets in larger classes.

Our other advantage is that we are in a position to produce 200 aircraft per year with the existing industrial infrastructure in the country. This means a serious game change. In most of the world, the infrastructure to produce domestic business jets is insufficient. We have a great advantage.

There will be a production centre based in Ankara, and OSTIM is supporting the project. Many OSTIM companies will be our subcontractors. The final assembly line can be located at a military base in Turkiye. When we reach 200 aircraft, there will be a serious mass production.

This aircraft was originally designed for Gulfstream. Later on, Gulfstream exercised its option for larger classes, leaving this aircraft open.

Especially in the post-Covid period, not only rich business people and rock stars, but also technical people, managers, doctors, etc. started to fly with business jets. Instead of a large aircraft for prestige, aircraft that can do the same job economically, provide the same comfort, and fly at a much lower cost have started to be preferred. especially companies working in what we call the fractional ownership model are looking for light jets to reach more customers.

An average of 2.78 people fly on a business jet. Currently, 10,000 aircraft are flying in the market we address. There are 10,000 aircraft in our market and we are aiming for a more capable, more economical and more accessible aircraft. And in this class in the world, almost all of them are produced in America, only one of Gulfstream model is similar to our model. The Gulfstream-280 is manufactured in Israel and flies to the US. We took advantage of American legislation and studied this model.

At the moment, Chinese and Indian investors are also very interested. As I said, with a new model we will design, we can produce this aircraft in many parts of the world. And this will lower the costs even more.

Currently 159 airplanes have been sold. The customer of these is a Middle Eastern company. The old customers of the aircraft are very satisfied and they are demanding it again because they heard that it will be put into production again. Individuals want to buy them, but companies also want to buy them. Because it is the most suitable aircraft for the establishment of an aircraft-taxi fleet. The airplane is very economical, but it can do the same job as the big class airplanes. I can fly non-stop from Istanbul to London, from there to Dubai, from there to Almaty. And since the cabin pressure does not change, I can fly comfortably without any fatigue, do my business and then fly again to another destination. The list price of the plane is currently 11.4 million dollars.

Williams, the engine supplier of the aircraft in its current configuration, liked the business plan very much. They concluded that 'we should open its own factory in Turkiye in order to supply the specified amount of engines'. We did not ask, they offered. Therefore, when the assembly activity starts here, Williams will start looking for a partner for production in Turkiye. In TR, R&R is producing, P&W is producing, GE is producing, only Williams was left. We are not asking Williams to please come, but after they saw our figures, they said 'we should come to TR'.

We are not building anything from scratch in TR. We are commercializing the existing excellent infrastructure with a different business model.
 
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Although there were many question marks at the beginning, BMH aviation has a business model that is well-established and managed by a highly qualified team. And it looks like it will be backed by the full power of existing aviation clusters such as OSTIM/OSSA. The fact that this business model will push Williams into under-license production in Turkiye will be a bonus in itself. BMH aviation can enable the Turkish aviation industry to be realized in an emerging, just like TOGG tried in the automotive sector, but here with a more collective model. Therefore, they deserve all kinds of appreciation and support. The fact that the production they will continue is a well-known and popular aircraft in the world has enabled them to receive 159 more orders even before the last production line has been installed.

I believe that the Sj30 and later sj50 could be a real game changer in TR, especially in taxi aviation. Moreover, especially if the design and production planning of the Sj50 and then the S70 can be achieved, we will have a domestic aircraft option for the needs of our public institutions and even our military and internal security institutions in these classes.

This is what I have been talking about for years. Contrary to popular belief, the aviation industry infrastructure in our country is very advanced. What we lack is final production, branding and marketing. Our infrastructure is better than that of Brazil. We can reorganize our industry in the fields of civil aviation, ranging from light jets to narrow-body aircraft, at a speed that no one can even imagine. And if you ask me, the level of industrial difficulty may even be lower than that of an automotive industry.
 
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