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Many people dont love Tranche 1 but their solid state radar almost same performance with rafale's aesa and also have less rcs than rafale with this values two fighter detect eachother almost same ranges. And in this ranges aim-120c and gökdoğan very capable range capability of meteor doesnt effect the combat. (But no escape zone and speed advantage of meteor already problem.)

Detection Capabilities of fighters via defence.pk
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Rcs's of fighter via globalsecurity
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A little another point F-16 C B30 also have great rcs and good thrust weight ratio and more max speed than rafale also near climb rate when compared Rafale. We must focus create a capable air to air fighter from block 30 with help of özgür + aesa + irst + twin bvr launcher + gökdoğan&gökhan .
 
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The problem is old EF2000 PESA radar can be deceived with Spectra's DRFM jamming. (As shown with Gripen's performance against EF2000 in Red flag)

And these open source RCS values are often contradictory.
 
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Many people dont love Tranche 1 but their solid state radar almost same performance with rafale's aesa and also have less rcs than rafale with this values two fighter detect eachother almost same ranges. And in this ranges aim-120c and gökdoğan very capable range capability of meteor doesnt effect the combat. (But no escape zone and speed advantage of meteor already problem.)

Detection Capabilities of fighters via defence.pk
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Rcs's of fighter via globalsecurity
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A little another point F-16 C B30 also have great rcs and good thrust weight ratio and more max speed than rafale also near climb rate when compared Rafale. We must focus create a capable air to air fighter from block 30 with help of özgür + aesa + irst + twin bvr launcher + gökdoğan&gökhan .
F-16 RCS is 4-5 m2 not 1.2. That number could be for the American F-16s alone. Since they have various advanced coatings against both IR and radar called HAVE GLASS up to v5. Our F16s either completely lack or just have some very basic anti radar paint which doesn't make any meaningful difference.

1 Greek Rafale can in theory carry 10 meteors and could take out 10 Turkish F16s. Easily...
 
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1 Greek Rafale can in theory carry 10 meteors and could take out 10 Turkish F16s. Easily...
Sure kid, Turkey sucks, our engineers and airforce is the worse and we are fucked. Happy?

Fucking hell can't believe you really said "Easily..."
 

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(...) Going even further, in order to avoid wasting time on a new platform design, it may not be as long a road as one might think to license a base design of any non-NATO fighter jet from a country other than those that are hesitant to give us aircraft, and equip it entirely with indigenous electronic and mechanical systems. I mean, of course, it is a long way, but it seems that for procurement within NATO will not be as shortcut as it was thought to be.
Coincidence. Or the forum has a close following. I don't know who Colonel Igor Korotchenko is or which institution he is an analyst for, but he mentioned that the production license (for the SU-35?) could be granted. Conflict and a few other X accounts also shared this information on the same day.

 

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Coincidence. Or the forum has a close following. I don't know who Colonel Igor Korotchenko is or which institution he is an analyst for, but he mentioned that the production license (for the SU-35?) could be granted. Conflict and a few other X accounts also shared this information on the same day.

It would be just like us to license build the plane, Su-35, that Ukraine shot down using Western aa systems 6 months ago. I desperately hope this is a just Russian bullshitting to muddy the waters and nothing more.
 

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It's just an Offer from Russia, I don't think Turkey will go for SU-35. Maybe Turkey is facing more CATSAA than for S-400.
 

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It's just an Offer from Russia, I don't think Turkey will go for SU-35. Maybe Turkey is facing more CATSAA than for S-400.
Forget CATSAA, if we are stupid enough to go for a Russian plane after their invasion of Ukraine we could say goodbye to every single part, from engine to chips, we get from any country in the West. It would be one of the single stupidest things we could do and it would be over a subpar jet.

But again, I think, well more like hope, this is just a Russian hardliner trying to stick bullshit at the wall.
 

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Forget CATSAA, if we are stupid enough to go for a Russian plane after their invasion of Ukraine we could say goodbye to every single part, from engine to chips, we get from any country in the West. It would be one of the single stupidest things we could do and it would be over a subpar jet.

But again, I think, well more like hope, this is just a Russian hardliner trying to stick bullshit at the wall.
Bro its not anymore 1990/2000 , Chips and other parts can be easy produced in east aslo 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
 

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Bro its not anymore 1990/2000 , Chips and other parts can be easy produced in east aslo 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
There is a reason China has been getting ready to invade Taiwan and its not because of their nationalism. There are certain things, especially the highest tech chips among them, that "the East" cannot produce yet. It isn't 2000s yes, the gap is even wider.
 

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There is a reason China has been getting ready to invade Taiwan and its not because of their nationalism. There are certain things, especially the highest tech chips among them, that "the East" cannot produce yet. It isn't 2000s yes, the gap is even wider.
So small china (taiwan) can produce high tech chips while huge superpower china cant? Bro how u finds those kinds of infro?
 

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So small china (taiwan) can produce high tech chips while huge superpower china cant? Bro how u finds those kinds of infro?
It's more about the kinds of chips produced. Chips used in home appliances etc. can be manufactured with a serious amount of investment. The production capability of the really advanced stuff is considered a strategic asset, no one really sells it. Taiwan has that, and China doesn't.
 

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So small china (taiwan) can produce high tech chips while huge superpower china cant? Bro how u finds those kinds of infro?
Mate, how advanced a country is at one technology or the other has nothing to do with the country's size. That is simply illogical as hell, if that was true we would be living in a completely different world.

Taiwan is more advanced in microchip technology than anybody else on the planet, including China and even US. The most advanced chips are all made in Taiwan. Did you really think US was doing everything it can to protect Taiwan from China out of the goodness of their hearts? No, both the reason for their invasion and US protection from it is because of their microchips and semiconductors.

And none of this information is hard to find at all, it is literally all over the Internet, you just have to be willing to read it.
 

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Engines of ANKA-3 are produced by TEI? I really wonder.

What do you think guys : ANKA-3 with BVR A2A missiles wouldn't be stealth LOETERING air defense system?

With the help of Datalink from ground radars , own AESA radar, passive Sensors, ANKA-3 little bit could cover Turkish airspace.

Its maximum altitude is 40,000 feet, and can last 10 hours at 30,000 feet, its cruise speed is 250 knots (288 mph) with a top speed of 425 knots (489 mph).

Such platform could be nightmare of enemy's fighters.
 

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Engines of ANKA-3 are produced by TEI? I really wonder.

What do you think guys : ANKA-3 with BVR A2A missiles wouldn't be stealth LOETERING air defense system?

With the help of Datalink from ground radars , own AESA radar, passive Sensors, ANKA-3 little bit could cover Turkish airspace.

Its maximum altitude is 40,000 feet, and can last 10 hours at 30,000 feet, its cruise speed is 250 knots (288 mph) with a top speed of 425 knots (489 mph).

Such platform could be nightmare of enemy's fighters.
Depends, do we have smart buoy network in place in Mavi Vatan? Some could be bigger or placed on some rocks as forward positions with SR radar for early warning or passive relay. Anything in an established network that catches on something smelly could be useful.

if a forward position sniffs out an enemy plane we could have great benefit of redirecting patrol duty to that area whilst 2-3 others akinci go airborne while Hürjet or Kaan is prepped.

I’m not sure if any pilot want to play how-many-gforce-can-you-handle with ucavs. But as you probably can see they will be relying on stealth to avoid detection, and that is the biggest factor imo.

That we need to prep for.
 

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Afaik, none of flying wing UAVs in ANKA III class has it own AESA sensor. Because there is simply not enough space to fit it in.
 

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, do we have smart buoy network in place in Mavi Vatan?

İ meant over mainland not offshore duties . ANKA-3 could reduce work hours of F-16s.

However 7/24 rotating several ANKA-3s over Egean shores would be lethal and surprising. İnstalling several AESA into ANKA-3 is not a big deal. For instance On wings .

Still i haven't got the answer, currently TEI can produce engines of ANKA-3? Which engines are supposed for ANKA-3?
 
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