I would've liked to order a couple of C-17s.We had to use this chance and purchase some more CH-47s.
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I would've liked to order a couple of C-17s.We had to use this chance and purchase some more CH-47s.
I would've liked to order a couple of C-17s.
I don't believe they will sell to us. They found an opportunity to humiliate us. They will give F-35 to Greece and not even give us F-16.IMO USA haven't made any sales yet, for now.
If the sale goes through (I won't believe it until I receive the equipment, by the way), I think it would be good for two reasons: i) Maintenance of the existing F-16 fleet would no longer be a problem. ii) We will gain time until we can produce domestic air-to-air missiles in significant quantities.
Other than continuing to produce indigenous air-to-air missiles, IMO there are two additional things we need to do very urgently:
a) We must put the Murad AESA radar into mass production as soon as possible.
b) As soon as 3-5 Hürjet units (they do not need to be armed) enter the inventory, we should establish a test fleet to study the "Hürjet, Capable of Operating Drones+KE+Anka-3" concept.
Putting domestic turbofan engines into mass production comes right after these. That's also priority, of course.
Anybody has any ideas how this 6 billion turned into 23 billion despite basically the same items? Why the hell did we agree to this rip off?Let’s elaborate on your rough calculations:
According to official US defence sources the cost of Greece’s 123 plane upgrade kit will cost them 2.4 billion dollars. This includes 125 Aesa radars and 123 kits of avionics etc.
That means Greeks are paying just under 20 million dollars per kit. I can’t see us paying a great deal more than that. So for the 79 kits, it totals 1.55 billion dollars.
Regarding the F16 V70 planes themselves; there are various quotes made by LM:
Slovakia has been offered 14 planes for 800million. That is 57 million a piece.
For Colombia they have offered 108 million dollars a piece for 24 planes and 133 million dollars a piece for 12 planes. However these include variety of different munitions.
Bulgaria is contemplating to buy 8 F16 planes for 1.3 billion. That means 162 million a piece.
Below site quotes f16v70 price to be 63million a piece
Top 10 most expensive fighter jets in 2024
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As Turkey will want to produce these aircrafts and their engines in house at Tusas and TEI, I can’t see us paying more than Slovakian planes.
So that makes 2.4 billion for the 40 planes.
Regarding 600 AAMs:
If we are thinking of buying the long range AIM 120 D version (Since we have Gokdogan in production it is only apt to think that we will go for the Aim 120D) : UK ordered 200 of them for 650 million dollars. Making it 3.25 million a piece. So for 600 missiles it would total 1.95 billion dollars.
Regarding the 800 Precision Guided Munition :
It s difficult to guess what we would be buying from US, since we have so many different versions of this type of munition in our inventory. The only munition that makes sense is something like an AGM-88G HARM as Akbaba is still in development stage (Since Greeks have recently ordered the E version) at a price of nearly 1 million a piece making 0.8 billion.
So in total the logical payable cost of this order should be no more than 6 billion dollars. 20 billion dollars is outrageously high and in explicable.
Be cool. Sooner or later, all NATO members will have F-35 fighter jets, by USA.Wow such a brilliant policy. First got kicked out of f35 program and buy 23 billion dollars worth of us made weaponry. Make Greece f35 owner. This was impossible with previous governments (aka “old Turkey “)
And if we are buying this much AA and AG ammunitions. Where will we use Goktug, Atmaca blah blah ?
Have you noticed. All the weapons and systems, they sell us. We can make on our own. They try to stop our defence industry development and production.TÜRKIYE – F-16 AIRCRAFT ACQUISITION AND MODERNIZATION
The Republic of Türkiye has requested to buy 40 new F-16 aircraft and to modernize 79 existing F-16 aircraft to V-Configuration.
The request includes:
- thirty-two (32) F-16 C Block 70 aircraft; eight (8) F-16 D Block 70 aircraft;
- forty-eight (48) F110-GE-129D engines (40 installed, 8 spares);
- one hundred forty-nine (149) Improved Programmable Display Generators (iPDG) (40 installed, 10 spares, 99 for modernization program (79 installed, 20 spares));
- one hundred forty-nine (149) AN/APG-83 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Scalable Agile Beam Radars (SABR) (40 installed, 10 spares, 99 for modernization program (79 installed, 20 spares));
- one hundred sixty-nine (169) Modular Mission Computers (MMC) 7000AHC (or available mission computer) (40 installed, 10 spares, 119 for modernization program (79 installed, 40 spares));
- one hundred fifty nine (159) Embedded Global Positioning System (GPS) Inertial Navigation Systems (INS) (EGI) with Selective Availability Anti-Spoofing Module (SAASM) or M-Code capability and Precise Positioning Service (PPS) (40 installed, 8 spares, 111 for modernization program (79 installed, 32 spares));
- one hundred sixty-eight (168) Integrated Viper Electronic Warfare Suite (IVEWS) or equivalent Electronic Warfare (EW) systems (40 installed, 10 spares, 118 for modernization program (79 installed, 39 spares));
- eight hundred fifty-eight (858) LAU-129 guided missile launchers;
- forty-four (44) M61 Vulcan cannons (40 installed, 4 spares);
- sixteen (16) AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods (ATP);
- one hundred fifty-one (151) Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Joint Tactical Radio Systems (MIDS-JTRS) (40 installed and 4 ground terminals, 8 spares, and 99 for modernization program (79 installed and 4 ground terminals, 16 spares));
- nine hundred fifty-two (952) Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) AIM-120C-8 or equivalent missiles;
- ninety six (96) AMRAAM guidance sections;
- eight hundred sixty-four (864) GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bombs Increment 1 (SDB-1);
- two (2) GBU-39(T-1)/B SDB-1 guided test vehicles;
- two (2) GBU-39(T-1)/B SDB-1 practice bombs;
- ninety-six (96) AGM-88B High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles (HARM);
- ninety-six (96) AGM-88E Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missiles (AARGM);
- ten (10) AARGM Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM);
- eleven (11) AARGM control sections;
- twelve (12) AARGM guidance sections;
- four hundred one (401) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder missiles;
- twelve (12) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder Captive Air Training Missiles (CATMs);
- forty (40) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder tactical guidance units;
- twelve (12) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder CATM guidance units;
- twelve (12) MK82 Inert Filled general purpose bombs;
- eight hundred fifty (850) Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) KMU-556 tail kits for GBU-31;
- two hundred (200) JDAM KMU-557 tail kits for GBU-31v3;
- three hundred eighty-four (384) JDAM KMU-559 tail kits for GBU-32;
- three (3) JDAM KMU-572 tail kits for GBU-38 or Laser JDAM GBU-54;
- one thousand fifty (1,050) FMU-152 fuzes. Also included are AMRAAM CATMs;
- AIM-9X Sidewinder training missiles and Active Optical Target Detectors (AOTD);
- HARM control sections, rocket motors, and warhead spares;
- FMU-139 Joint Programmable Fuzes;
- DSU-38 Laser Guidance Sets for GBU-54;
- missile containers;
- AN/ARC-238 radios;
- AN/APX-127 or equivalent Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Combined Interrogator Transponders (CIT) with mode 5;
- Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS) II or Scorpion Hybrid Optical-based Inertial Tracker (HObIT) helmet mounted displays;
- Infrared Search and Track (IRST) pods;
- AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Systems (CMDS);
- KY-58 and KIV-78 cryptographic devices;
- Simple Key Loaders (SKLs);
- additional secure communications, precision navigation, and cryptographic equipment;
- Flight Mission Planning Systems (FMPS);
- Remote Operated Video Enhanced Receivers (ROVER) 6i/6Sis;
- Tactical Network ROVER kits, and STINGER Multi Bi-Directional (MBI) antennas;
- SNIPER pod pylons;
- impulse cartridges, chaff, flares, and ammunition; bomb components and Common Munitions Built-in-Test Reprogramming Equipment (CMBRE);
- Rackmount Improved Avionics Intermediate Shop (RIAIS);
- Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PAD);
- Triple Missile Launcher Adapters (TMLA);
- aircraft, avionics, and weapons integration, test support, and equipment; major modernization upgrade kits for F-16 Block 40 and Block 50+ aircraft and Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) modifications;
- aircraft and engine repair and refurbishment after maintenance;
- engine and aircraft spare and repair parts, consumables, and accessories and repair and return support;
- aircraft, engine, ground, and pilot support equipment;
- Classified/Unclassified Computer Program Identification Number (CPIN) systems;
- electronic warfare database support;
- pylons, launcher adaptors, weapon interfaces, bomb and ejection racks, conformal fuel tanks, and travel pods;
- precision measurement equipment laboratory and calibration support;
- Classified/Unclassified software and software support;
- Classified/Unclassified publications, manuals, and technical documentation;
- maps and mapping data;
- facilities and construction support;
- simulators and training devices;
- personnel training and training equipment;
- U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services, studies and surveys;
- and other related elements of logistical and program support.
They aren't. We asked for these, and likely few others they didn't want to sell us so they're not in here.They try to stop
When they really want to fuck with our development, they have much bigger options that would stop most of our development projects on its tracks. Thankfully they haven't yet done most of those.They try to stop our defence industry development and production.
If you can make your own weapons, why buy them? The US, UK, France, Germany, Italy et al can make a lot of weapons but import many weapons they could make themselves.Have you noticed. All the weapons and systems, they sell us. We can make on our own. They try to stop our defence industry development and production.
In my opinion buying EF2000 would be wise - if President Erdogan has not unwisely made that a very unlikely possibility.Really hoping EF2000 purchase is also on the horizon.
Have you noticed. All the weapons and systems, they sell us. We can make on our own. They try to stop our defence industry development and production.
In my opinion buying EF2000 would be wise - if President Erdogan has not unwisely made that a very unlikely possibility.
40 adet F-16 40x63 milyon USD = 2 milyar 520 milyon USD
79 adet F-16 SLEP kiti 79x63/4 (15,75 milyon USD) = 1 milyar 244,25 milyon USD
48 adet F110-GE-129D motoru 48x4 milyon USD = 192 milyon USD
149 adet AESA radarı 149x5 milyon USD = 745 milyon USD
168 adet EH paketi 168x3 milyon USD = 504 milyon USD
952 adet AMRAAM C-8 952x1 milyon USD = 952 milyon USD
96 adet AMRAAM güdüm kiti 96x250 bin USD= 24 milyon USD
864 adet GBU-39 864x40 bin USD = 34,56 milyon USD
96 adet AGM-88B HARM 96x284 bin USD = 27,264 milyon USD
96 adet AGM-88E AARGM 96x870 bin USD = 83,520 milyon USD
401 adet AIM-9X Blok II 401x381 bin USD = 152,781 milyon USD
12 adet AIM-9X CATM 12x209 bin USD = 2,508 milyon USD
1434 adet JDAM kiti 1434x36 bin USD = 51,624 milyon USD
1.050 adet FMU-152 tapa 1050x2.300 USD = 2,415 milyon USD
Modernizasyon fabrika tool’ları Tahmini 150 milyon USD
Toplam Öngörülen Maliyet 6 milyar 687 milyon USD
Did he post where he got the prices? I haven't checked but I do know that not all prices are in the public domain and getting them from other purchases isn't really reliable as US (and every other country that sells weapons including us) adjust their prices from country to country, so, we would likely get a steeper price.Hüseyin Fazla calculated the cost of the quoted items in the F-16 package. It seems total cost should be no higher than 7 billion. DSMC notice should be no higher than 15 billion something doesn't add up.
Actually, Germany selling Eurofighters just got a lot more likely now that Americans are selling. There was no logical reason for denying the sale anyway. But it might be a bit overkill for us as the Viper/Ozgur numbers already present quite a sizeable investment in the 4th gen planes.In my opinion buying EF2000 would be wise - if President Erdogan has not unwisely made that a very unlikely possibility.
Tutkey should just cancel it and spend more on local ozgur f16 upgrading program instead of begging it.Turkiye should buy more upgrade kits and cancel buying new F16's, their delivery time is just not worth it. Buy maybe some AA missiles and keep the cost at minimum