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Do we really have to get European original upgrade package? Would it be impossible for ASELSAN to upgrade T1s with Turkish AESA?

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On the other hand, look at the numbers of underwing pods. ASELSAN could create forward looking AESA pods for EF. Sacrificing two pods under each wing for AESA , future Turkish EFs could use even domestic S2 a missiles.

impossible!!!


In Tranche 1 machines, all microprocessors are of the Motorola 68020 type, which is called a General Purpose Processor (GPP). In these LRU computers, the application software can only work with this one specific hardware of the respective mission computer, which can make changes difficult or impossible.

Tranche 1 aircraft, on the other hand, can and will only be improved to a limited extent through software updates (drops). A solution to the Tranche 1 obsolescence problem is currently not in sight.

In short, if you have Tranche 1, then you have a problem!!! a big problem!!!

Bringing a Tranche 1 to a Tranche 2 means rebuilding the aircraft completely.

In contrast to the F-22 and Rafale F2/3, the Eurofighter does not yet use integrated modular avionics (IMA). While in both cases all sensor data is fed into a central data processing system, in the Typhoon the sensor data is processed by several subsystems in order to be combined to form an overall tactical picture of the situation. The avionics consists of several computers that are linked via fiber optic cables according to STANAG 3910 and can transmit up to 1,000 Mbit/s. Individual systems also represent "islands" in the avionics and are only connected to the fiber optic network via another computer. The subsystems of the Praetorian system, the friend-or-foe query systems, the basic aircraft systems, the weapons control system and the cockpit subsystems are linked via MIL-STD-1553 data buses, which are designed for a lower data throughput of 100 Mbit/s. In addition to the local air cooling of individual components, the waste heat from the avionics and the anti-G suit is transferred via liquid cooling circuits to the fuel, which serves as a heat sink. The entire software of the Eurofighter is written in Ada. At the time of project development, the Eurofighter was the largest Ada software project in Europe.

For Tranche 2 aircraft, the avionics were completely overhauled according to ASAAC, i.e. a strict separation of a function in hardware and software. EADS began developing IMA on a COTS basis according to the ASAAC standard for aircraft such as the Eurofighter before 2001.
The core element of this Universal Aircraft Computer (UAC) was the separation between hardware, hardware abstraction layer (HAL), operating system and application software (apps). In contrast to the Rafale, which switched directly to IMA for F2, the original avionics architecture was retained for the Eurofighter's Tranche 2 to reduce risk, but the computing modules were standardized and a uniform real-time operating system (OS) was chosen for all mission computers with Integrity-178B. Hardware, HAL and OS are the same for all LRIs, only the apps differ depending on the mission computer's area of application. For communication between the computers, each LRI has a Common EFEX Module (CEM), which serves as an intermediary between the ASAAC standard and real Eurofighter technology. ASAAC works with packet switching, whereas EFEX uses a predefined transmission table. The Eurofighter's apps/mission computers communicate with a type of mailbox system and store the mail in the target computer, while the information is sent to ASAAC via virtual channels. Furthermore, each LRI has three Common Processing Modules (CPM) which run the application software on the OS. All four modules of the LRI are connected via a VMEbus backplane. The LRIs are supplied by Rockwell Collins, for example, correspond to the 1/2 ATR standard, are air-cooled, have six slots and can provide up to 250 W. The three processor cards have dual/quad-core processors and PCI mezzanine cards with mass storage. If the VMEBus or EFEX is not sufficient, 10 GEth lines can be connected. IPA6 and IPA7 were used for the flight tests of the new avionics, which were required for international approval.

The Tranche 1 machines are limited in terms of software due to their limited computing power: for example, during a bombing mission it is possible to locate an air target using ESM/ECM and shoot at it using AMRAAM, but then it is no longer possible to switch to air-to-ground mode. This was only remedied in Tranche 2 by increasing computing power.
 
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My personal opinion:

If I were to see Tranche 1 aircraft in the Turkish Air Force at some point, it would be the second Casa Olayi for me (see CASA OLAYI by Nezih Tavlas -1990). And many generals and politicians would have filled their pockets again!!!!
 

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Super Lightning Statement from TAI: They'll think it's an F-16
Başak Berber23 February 2025 1 minute reading time

Mehmet Demiroğlu, General Manager of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), made important statements to SavunmaSanayiST at the IDEX Fair in Abu Dhabi.

Demiroğlu shared the latest developments regarding TAI's unmanned aerial platforms, and detailed the future of unmanned aerial vehicles such as the Şimşek and Super Şimşek.

Development of Şimşek and Super Şimşek
Demiroğlu emphasized that Şimşek is usually used as a target aircraft, but now it can also serve as a kamikaze drone. Demiroğlu said, "As you know, Şimşek has been in use for years. It is usually used as a target aircraft, but we have also turned it into a kamikaze drone."

Stating that Super Simsek is an important development in terms of speed and carrying capacity, Demiroğlu said, "Our next product is Super Simsek. It is a platform that can reach up to 0.85 macha in terms of speed and can reach over 50 kilograms in terms of explosives and payload."

Stating that Super Simsek can be used in different configurations, Demiroğlu said, "We can use it in different configurations from ANKA, AKSUNGUR and ANKA-3, both kamikaze, decoy, seeker warheads or electronic warfare. We are also producing this configuration, and we have started its tests."

Future Swarm UAVs

In addition to the Super Lightning and Lightning, TAI is also working on swarm UAV technology. Demiroğlu stated that such platforms will play an important role in battlefields. Demiroğlu said, "At the same time, we will also be making their swarm UAVs. We are also continuing our work on this subject."

Pointing out that asymmetric warfare is being used more and more, Demiroğlu said, "Now, battlefields are working with asymmetric platforms or ammunition or systems. We see them being used a lot. Şimşek and Super Şimşek will close a gap, a serious gap in this regard."

Super Lightning and Air Defense Strategy
Demiroğlu also made statements about how Super Lightning can be used against air defense systems. "A Super Lightning can make itself look like an F-16, F-35 or KAAN," Demiroğlu said, adding that radars will see the Super Lightning as a real aircraft, which means that air defense systems will be turned on and other kamikaze drones will carry out targeted attacks. "When the radars see it like that, they will turn on the air defense systems. The kamikaze drones in the other group will destroy them with their seeker heads."

Demiroğlu emphasized that they plan to neutralize air defense systems with this strategy:

"One of the missions of ANKA-3 or unmanned aerial vehicles is to open corridors and neutralize air defense systems. We plan to do this with Super Lightning and other platforms."

I find this in combination with Anka 3, ballistic missiles and long-range Cruise Missiles SOM Series e.g. very effective for deep strike missions to overload an enemy's very modern air defense in Greece or in Middle East.
If you improve the RCS even further and coat them with RAM, they could cause chaos.
 

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