TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Yasar_TR]

OK! Here comes the devil’s advocate:
1. Is it really true or just a fake news like many we have seen?
2. If it is true; Will Germany agree to supplying some of the critical parts of the engine and the plane, or agree to TOT of critical parts to Turkey?
3. If Germany doesn’t comply like the Saudi deal that was put to bed by UK, this too can be blocked. Unless of course all the parts to come from Germany are produced in Turkey and other countries in spite of Germany’s refusal with BAE and RR participation. (If such a thing can be done within the framework of EF2000 consortium agreement)
4. Airbus comment doesn’t sit well in this context as France is not a party to EF2000 Consortium.

 

[Heartbang]

Airbus comment doesn’t sit well in this context as France is not a party to EF2000 Consortium.

this alone makes this tweet unworthy to consider.

 

[Khagan1923]

Airbus Germany IS Part of the Eurofighter project.

Germany literally ordered its newest batch straight from Airbus.

So there is nothing wrong with that comment.

Airbus- Germany
Leonardo- Italy
BAE Systems- UK

are the main companies involved in the eurofighter.

 

[CAN_TR]

If the EF2000 is a topic then not new ones but probably from RAF inventory.

 

[Yasar_TR]

If the EF2000 is a topic then not new ones but probably from RAF inventory.

RAF inventory of 50+ Tranche 1 are of no use to us as they can not be upgraded to tranche 3 or 4 as discussed here before. But to tranche 2.5 at best and without Aesa radars. Without Aesa radars these planes can’t be a match for Rafales.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Airbus Germany IS Part of the Eurofighter project.

Germany literally ordered its newest batch straight from Airbus.

So there is nothing wrong with that comment.

Airbus- Germany
Leonardo- Italy
BAE Systems- UK

are the main companies involved in the eurofighter.

How about the French flag ? French involvement? EU flag?

 

[Lool]

I still dont understand why on Earth would Turkey buy Europhiter Typhoons when the Ozgur project has officially started
Like rumors state that Ozgur is nearly as good as the Viper; thus, it is illogical to buy another brand of fighter jets and create a new logistics line that will add on the expenses of the TSK

 

[Yasar_TR]

I still dont understand why on Earth would Turkey buy Europhiter Typhoons when the Ozgur project has officially started
Like rumors state that Ozgur is nearly as good as the Viper; thus, it is illogical to buy another brand of fighter jets and create a new logistics line that will add on the expenses of the TSK

How are you going to sweeten the deal for UK and RR to help you out with engine tech? You need to give them something in return.
Partial involvement in your MMU engines and 80 Typhoons with nearly 200 potential engines could be the carrot ???
Just a thought!
It would also sort out the half a decade or so in between the MMU becoming fully operational in few squadron numbers, and post 2025-27 when Greece etc have enough planes to threaten the skies.

 

[Khagan1923]

Leaving aside the topic of Germany and possibility of veto.

We could actually could get our hands on 24 eurofighters T3 (maybe even T3A?) models over the next ~2 years relatively quickly. How?

Through Qatar. Eurofighter deliveries for Qatar will start this year. The first jets have already been caught undergoing test flights.

Qatar isn't in a severe need for those 24 as it already has the F-15QA with 4 already delivered and Rafales with 27 already delivered.
As well as us having friendly relations with them.

A deal could be arranged where the planes on the line meant for Qatar could be shifted to Turkey with us compensating Qatar.

We get our hands on 24 new fighters in short time and order another additional 56 (acc to the rumour of 80 jets) in the Tranche 4 configuration suprassing the Rafale.

If we look at the Qatar for a timeframe. It will take 5 years from signing the deal to first deliveries.

If we sign a deal at the end of this year for 56 jets (with 24 coming from Qatar)the first ones would be delivered at the end of 2027, beginning of 2028. Same timeframe as the first newly built F-16V we would acquire from Lockheed.

And honestly I would rather go for 24T3A+56T4 Eurofighters than 40 F-16V Block70/72.

IMO the modernization of the existing fleet of Block 50/52 should go ahead and include all aircrafts, meaning the number should be upped from 80. As well as the purchase of new AAM (AIM-120D, AIM-9X Block II) and Pods as well as EW Suits. Block 30 should undergo indigenous upgrades (Özgür). And Eurofighters T3A(Qatar) T4 ( new production) should be pursued.

 

[Ravenman]

But how much time is needed to train our F16 pilots into Eurofighter pilots?

Was it not a better option to buy Russian planes? Because Europeans could boycott us every day, while Russia need money.

 

[Khagan1923]

But how much time is needed to train our F16 pilots into Eurofighter pilots?

Was it not a better option to buy Russian planes? Because Europeans could boycott us every day, while Russia need money.

We talked about this exstensivly enough there a a hundred reasons why russian or chinese fighters are a no-go. Not to mention Russian jets have been proven to be trash.

 

[Glass🚬]

chinese are catching up fast their j-35 looks already wild.

 

[TheInsider]

"Özgür is nearly as good as Viper" nope Özgür is better than Viper.

The "possible" deal involves second-hand tranche 1s and 2s and upgrading them. It won't happen what we are doing is asking around if what we want is possible. We have a big list of conditions that is very unlikely to be met.

 

[kenny]

"Özgür is nearly as good as Viper" nope Özgür is better than Viper.

The "possible" deal involves second-hand tranche 1s and 2s and upgrading them. It won't happen what we are doing is asking around if what we want is possible. We have a big list of conditions that is very unlikely to be met.

I agree about Ozgur. Much better than the Viper.

 

[B.t.N]

I agree about Ozgur. Much better than the Viper.

The grapes are sour anyway!

 

[TheInsider]

MURAD AESA radar will be tested on Bayraktar Akıncı. Modifications have been made to the Akıncı to become a test bed. Akıncı will be able to send real-time big data to the ground station. This will be the first of its kind in the world. Everybody uses test planes to test radars. UAVs can stay in the air for an extended period of time so this means fewer sorties will be needed to complete the tests and it will be a lot cheaper compared to using a plane.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

How are you going to sweeten the deal for UK and RR to help you out with engine tech? You need to give them something in return.
Partial involvement in your MMU engines and 80 Typhoons with nearly 200 potential engines could be the carrot ???
Just a thought!
It would also sort out the half a decade or so in between the MMU becoming fully operational in few squadron numbers, and post 2025-27 when Greece etc have enough planes to threaten the skies.

This thought makes perfect sense. win-win for both side

 

[Yasar_TR]

I agree about Ozgur. Much better than the Viper.

I concur too.
1. With GaN based Aesa modules that are around 5-8 times more powerful than GaAs modules used in V70 radars, our radar should be far ahead of the An-Apg83 radar that is on the F16-V70 planes. (As the nose area of the planes are the same, similar number of modules will be fitted to both)
2. 35 Block 30 planes we have in our inventory are the most agile ones amongst all Blocks. They have a much better airframe than the newer ones.
3. Since all programs like flight control computers etc have been locally written, and we are going to be using predominantly indigenously manufactured weapons whose specific characteristics will be unknown to our enemies, our Ozgur planes will be intrinsically much better than the V70 US versions.

 

[Huelague]

I concur too.
1. With GaN based Aesa modules that are around 5-8 times more powerful than GaAs modules used in V70 radars, our radar should be far ahead of the An-Apg83 radar that is on the F16-V70 planes. (As the nose area of the planes are the same, similar number of modules will be fitted to both)
2. 35 Block 30 planes we have in our inventory are the most agile ones amongst all Blocks. They have a much better airframe than the newer ones.
3. Since all programs like flight control computers etc have been locally written, and we are going to be using predominantly indigenously manufactured weapons whose specific characteristics will be unknown to our enemies, our Ozgur planes will be intrinsically much better than the V70 US versions.

In which way? Does Ozgur project includes structural airframe changings?

 

[Yasar_TR]

In which way? Does Ozgur project includes structural airframe changings?

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. My mistake for not explaining it clearly. Got too carried away.
Only the 35 units of Block 30 planes have better airframes. This is not part of Ozgur project. We are not upgrading the airframe of the other blocks. These 35 planes , although the oldest in the fleet, are going to be the best Ozgur planes.
Block 40 and 50 planes’ airframes will be left as they are.

(These 35 planes’ air ducts and some of the structural designs are a little bit different apparently. This imparts them with a more agile flight characteristics. I think that is why originally the Solo Turk plane was chosen from a Block 30.)