TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Yasar_TR]

Of course, i do not expect that happen. Typhoon seems to be only alternative.

Guys, do not put so much emphasis on kizilelma as an alternative.
May be a generation later ,something with 20000lbf capable engine(s), mach 1,6+, 5000kg payload and rotary cannon, interceptor drone would work in aegean.

A stealthy MIUS with 6000lbf dry and 10000lbf military thrust that can fly 1.4mach and carry 1500kg of payload and has AI to complement it, is :

1. Very agile and capable in a dogfight as almost all manoeuvring is done at subsonic speeds,
2. Cheap enough to be expendable,
3. Has enough payload to carry out bombing sorties,
4. Can go to destination and get out of trouble quick enough,
5. Is a dangerous weapon due to it’s size and stealth characteristics,
6. Easier, cheaper to maintain and use from most runways, even carriers due to it’s MTOW.

So anything bigger, then you lose or downgrade points 1.2,5 and 6.

 

[Zafer]

What happens if it decides to shut down Greek Rafale? What happens if it calculates a passenger Boeing 737 as an enemy bomber?

Humans stay in the loop for as long as possible and can instruct the on-board brains to make sure the decisions are very well made. Like do not shoot the adversary by yourself. The couple of seconds of comms latency can be compensated by prior instructions. Swarms of drones can be employed to compensate for shortcomings of speed or payload. You can upgrade software as you go and hardware too. No human pilot is safe against it.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Humans stay in the loop for as long as possible and can instruct the on-board brains to make sure the decisions are very well made. Like do not shoot the adversary by yourself. The couple of seconds of comms latency can be compensated by prior instructions. Swarms of drones can be employed to compensate for shortcomings of speed or payload. You can upgrade software as you go and hardware to. No human pilot is safe against.

By using relay stations in high positions like Aselsan’s Karagöz and other high flying UAVs , you can overcome the couple of second signal latency problem.

https://www.aselsan.com.tr/Aerostat_Surveillance_System_Product_Family_4188.pdf

 

[Ryder]

Some sources say that f-16 sale will be made under some conditions like we must guarantee not to violate greek airspace.
under these kind of of conditions, we should not buy even a rivet from the US

Usa foreign policy is getting cucked by Greek and Armenian lobbyists.

Pretty pathetic from a "superpower".

 

[Zafer]

By using relay stations in high positions like Aselsan’s Karagöz and other high flying UAVs , you can overcome the couple of second signal latency problem.

https://www.aselsan.com.tr/Aerostat_Surveillance_System_Product_Family_4188.pdf

Considering how 5G terrestrial networks bring down latency under 0.1 second and 6G possibly going even under it is a sure thing it can be done unless you are far away from the mainland. When far from the mainland low flying satellites can be a solution, like the starlink network but covering particularly our part of the world even optimized for this purpose. In 2024 by launching a first payload of 400kg payload to 550km altitude Türkiye will be entering that technology as well. Consider launching 8 of 50kg comms satellites to LEO with every launch of a launcher from your own launchpad. Two years to that capability is not far away. You can even launch more payload to lower altitudes like 400 km.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Considering how 5G terrestrial networks bring down latency under 0.1 second and 6G possibly going even under it is a sure thing it can be done unless you are far away from the mainland. When far from the mainland low flying satellites can be a solution, like the starlink network but covering particularly our part of the world even optimized for this purpose. In 2024 by launching a first payload of 400kg payload to 550km altitude Türkiye will be entering that technology as well. Consider launching 8 of 50kg comms satellites to LEO with every launch of a launcher from your own launchpad. Two years to that capability is not far away. You can even launch more payload to lower altitudes like 400 km.

Correct! To use your own satellites is the only way when it is defence matters that you are planning. We can’t depend on US or foreign based systems. But low orbit satellites can be susceptible to laser weapons and missile attack. China and Russia already working on laser and microwave weapons for satellites.
I had rather depend on more concrete systems like relay stations and UAVs that are also cheaper solutions.

China develops laser weapon that could destroy satellites in space

Researchers in China have developed a microwave machine "Relativistic Klystron Amplifier (RKA)", that could jam or destroy satellites in space.

www.business-standard.com

The powerful Chinese megawatt laser ‘small enough for a satellite’

A laser scientist with the Chinese Academy of Sciences says the device is not a weapon – but a larger version in future could be.

www.scmp.com

Satellites spot construction of Russian anti-satellite laser facility: report

Anti-satellite technologies are on the rise as space becomes an increasingly vital domain for military activities.

www.space.com

 

[Zafer]

Correct! To use your own satellites is the only way when it is defence matters that you are planning. We can’t depend on US or foreign based systems. But low orbit satellites can be susceptible to laser weapons and missile attack. China and Russia already working on laser and microwave weapons for satellites.
I had rather depend on more concrete systems like relay stations and UAVs that are also cheaper solutions.

China develops laser weapon that could destroy satellites in space

Researchers in China have developed a microwave machine "Relativistic Klystron Amplifier (RKA)", that could jam or destroy satellites in space.

www.business-standard.com

The powerful Chinese megawatt laser ‘small enough for a satellite’

A laser scientist with the Chinese Academy of Sciences says the device is not a weapon – but a larger version in future could be.

www.scmp.com

Satellites spot construction of Russian anti-satellite laser facility: report

Anti-satellite technologies are on the rise as space becomes an increasingly vital domain for military activities.

www.space.com

US, Russia and China have more at risk downing somebody else's satellite. We have our hand in laser weapons development too, we can get there in due time. Every system needs to be backed up with alternate means for better reliability. Quantum communication can play a role in this also.

 

[TheInsider]

People are talking as if MIUS is months away. We are still integrating sensors and weapons into Akıncı platform. It will probably take another 1 or 2 years. MIUS is years away. 2025 is a likely date for IOC.

 

[Zafer]

People are talking as if MIUS is months away. We are still integrating sensors and weapons into Akıncı platform. It will probably take another 1 or 2 years. MIUS is years away. 2025 is a likely date for IOC.

The systems first triad on Akıncı can pave the way for faster deployment on MIUS. Also MIUS's success in simply flying will mean it is only a matter of time to implement ancillary systems. And that time can always be shrunken by hard work. Even a few flying prototypes can give operational capability on a fast track.

 

[TechNamu]

At Gebze Technical University (GTU) Aviation and Space Summit 2 event, Mr. Kotil claimed that the work for an armed variant of Hurjet which is dubbed as Hurjet-C could continue until 2027 even after TAI is expected to deliever the first aircraft to Turkish Airforce in 2025.

Wouldn't this mean that Hurjet will be strictly an AJT initially and won't have any weapon integration?

Another fact that I'v found interesting on TAI's official broucher for TAI Hurjet is that Aerial refueling is listed as "wet" for LCA (light combat attacker) and "dry" for AJT (Advanced Jet Trainer).

Does this mean Hurjet AJT could only practice aerial refueling, but can't do the actual wet connect?

By the way, KAI T-50 can't do aerial refueling as well (only T-50A which was offered to America can) and Italian Aermacchi M-346 Master could do it via a removable refuelling probe.

 

[B_A]

People are talking as if MIUS is months away. We are still integrating sensors and weapons into Akıncı platform. It will probably take another 1 or 2 years. MIUS is years away. 2025 is a likely date for IOC.

that 's because Baykar had a good record for finish things very quickly.

didn't like our Reis submarine or Altay tank which delayed a lot

 

[TheInsider]

The systems first triad on Akıncı can pave the way for faster deployment on MIUS. Also MIUS's success in simply flying will mean it is only a matter of time to implement ancillary systems. And that time can always be shrunken by hard work. Even a few flying prototypes can give operational capability on a fast track.

MIUS flight envelope covers high subsonic and supersonic ranges, unlike Akıncı which is a very slow aircraft. Most of the weapon tests will be redone.

 

[TheInsider]

At Gebze Technical University (GTU) Aviation and Space Summit 2 event, Mr. Kotil claimed that the work for an armed variant of Hurjet which is dubbed as Hurjet-C could continue until 2027 even after TAI is expected to deliever the first aircraft to Turkish Airforce in 2025.

Wouldn't this mean that Hurjet will be strictly an AJT initially and won't have any weapon integration?

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Another fact that I'v found interesting on TAI's official broucher for TAI Hurjet is that Aerial refueling is listed as "wet" for LCA (light combat attacker) and "dry" for AJT (Advanced Jet Trainer).

Does this mean Hurjet AJT could only practice aerial refueling, but can't do the actual wet connect?

By the way, KAI T-50 can't do aerial refueling as well (only T-50A which was offered to America can) and Italian Aermacchi M-346 Master could do it via a removable refuelling probe.

This is nothing new. AJT version will be delivered to TurAF in 2025. LCA version will be delivered two years later in 2027.

 

[TheInsider]

that 's because Baykar had a good record for finish things very quickly.

didn't like our Reis submarine or Altay tank which delayed a lot

The first flight of the MIUS is expected in 2023. This is extremely quick Baykar can't hasten the project more than this. I doubt there will be any air-to-air capable MIUS before 2025. Air-to-ground variant can be rushed.

 

[Zafer]

MIUS flight envelope covers high subsonic and supersonic ranges, unlike Akıncı which is a very slow aircraft. Most of the weapon tests will be redone.

Radar guidance of weapons will be a first for Baykar so air to air engagement will probably be the last capability to be implemented but Baykar will not waste anytime to poor planning as its radar should also be ready by the time the plane is good for flying. As long as the components are already prepared integration and tests should be smooth.

 

[Tornadoss]

Radar guidance of weapons will be a first for Baykar so air to air engagement will probably be the last capability to be implemented but Baykar will not waste anytime to poor planning as its radar should also be ready by the time the plane is good for flying. As long as the components are already prepared integration and tests should be smooth.

AESA radar and AA missiles will be integrated onto Akinci. So until, MIUS is ready they would have some experience in this regard.

 

[TechNamu]

This is nothing new. AJT version will be delivered to TurAF in 2025. LCA version will be delivered two years later in 2027.

I thought Malaysia requires the manufacturer to start delivery of their new LIFT & LCA aircrafts within 36 months of the contract signing which is expected to be taken in place this year? Then again Tejas LIFT isn't actually a thing from what I have heard and FA-50/M-346FA currently don't have BVRAAM capability.

 

[TheInsider]

Hurjet LCA will make its first flight in 2025 so TAI can't deliver the LCA version before 2027.

 

[Cenkcnk]

Some shitty laws are being made I the US congress. They are mocking 85 million people to satisfy Greece. We should thank for this kind offer and buy Eurofighters from UK if possible

 

[Heartbang]

we shouldve just litigated that 1.5 bn dollars we wanted compensation for.