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[boredaf]

Green light from Germany to Turkey for Eurofighter Typhoon!

Almanya'dan Türkiye'ye Eurofighter Typhoon için yeşil ışık | SavunmaSanayiST

Almanya, Türkiye'ye Eurofighter Typhoon savaş uçaklarının satışı için yeşil ışığı yaktı. Böylelikle Türkiye'nin Typhoon tedarikinin önünde bir engel kalmadı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Germany has given the green light for the sale of Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets to Turkey. Thus, there is no obstacle left for Turkey to procure Typhoons.

Turkey has been aiming to procure 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets for a long time within the scope of the needs of the Turkish Air Force. The sale, approved by Eurofighter Consortium members Italy, Spain and England, was stuck in Germany’s unilateral embargo. Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler announced that Germany has also approved the sale of Typhoons to Turkey.

In the statement made by Minister Güler on TV100, he said: “We will purchase 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets. Germany has been resisting for a long time not to give them, but finally, with the positive contributions of our NATO friends Italy, England and Spain, Germany has finally responded positively.”

According to the information received; Turkey has been in technical talks with the UK for some time regarding the procurement of Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets. The Turkish Air Force plans to procure 20+20 of the latest generation configuration Typhoon aircraft. Thus, it is aimed to add 1 fleet of Typhoon aircraft to the Turkish Air Force inventory in the first phase and 2 fleets in the final phase.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856444196804247641

 

[Fatman17]

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[Strong AI]

Green light from Germany to Turkey for Eurofighter Typhoon!

Almanya'dan Türkiye'ye Eurofighter Typhoon için yeşil ışık | SavunmaSanayiST

Almanya, Türkiye'ye Eurofighter Typhoon savaş uçaklarının satışı için yeşil ışığı yaktı. Böylelikle Türkiye'nin Typhoon tedarikinin önünde bir engel kalmadı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Germany has given the green light for the sale of Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets to Turkey. Thus, there is no obstacle left for Turkey to procure Typhoons.

Turkey has been aiming to procure 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets for a long time within the scope of the needs of the Turkish Air Force. The sale, approved by Eurofighter Consortium members Italy, Spain and England, was stuck in Germany’s unilateral embargo. Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler announced that Germany has also approved the sale of Typhoons to Turkey.

In the statement made by Minister Güler on TV100, he said: “We will purchase 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets. Germany has been resisting for a long time not to give them, but finally, with the positive contributions of our NATO friends Italy, England and Spain, Germany has finally responded positively.”

According to the information received; Turkey has been in technical talks with the UK for some time regarding the procurement of Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets. The Turkish Air Force plans to procure 20+20 of the latest generation configuration Typhoon aircraft. Thus, it is aimed to add 1 fleet of Typhoon aircraft to the Turkish Air Force inventory in the first phase and 2 fleets in the final phase.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856444196804247641

If they allow integration of indigenous weapons and EW pods, IMHO this is a very good purchase.

 

[Sanchez]

Green light from Germany to Turkey for Eurofighter Typhoon!

Almanya'dan Türkiye'ye Eurofighter Typhoon için yeşil ışık | SavunmaSanayiST

Almanya, Türkiye'ye Eurofighter Typhoon savaş uçaklarının satışı için yeşil ışığı yaktı. Böylelikle Türkiye'nin Typhoon tedarikinin önünde bir engel kalmadı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Germany has given the green light for the sale of Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets to Turkey. Thus, there is no obstacle left for Turkey to procure Typhoons.

Turkey has been aiming to procure 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets for a long time within the scope of the needs of the Turkish Air Force. The sale, approved by Eurofighter Consortium members Italy, Spain and England, was stuck in Germany’s unilateral embargo. Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler announced that Germany has also approved the sale of Typhoons to Turkey.

In the statement made by Minister Güler on TV100, he said: “We will purchase 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets. Germany has been resisting for a long time not to give them, but finally, with the positive contributions of our NATO friends Italy, England and Spain, Germany has finally responded positively.”

According to the information received; Turkey has been in technical talks with the UK for some time regarding the procurement of Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets. The Turkish Air Force plans to procure 20+20 of the latest generation configuration Typhoon aircraft. Thus, it is aimed to add 1 fleet of Typhoon aircraft to the Turkish Air Force inventory in the first phase and 2 fleets in the final phase.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856444196804247641

I think this is a mistranslation and misinterpretation of his words and we are not any closer to the EF-2000 sale than we were a month ago with the start of preliminary technical talks. Let's wait a bit for some updates from outside. There still needs to be political approval from German government for the sale.

 

[Shtr]

I think that Minister can not talk without a full approval.

 

[Gaucho]

 

[Nutuk]

Hopefully, this will not turn into another Altay tank issue, although if we still trust Germany and make such purchases after everything that has happened, we deserve it.

 

[BordoEnes]

Hopefully, this will not turn into another Altay tank issue, although if we still trust Germany and make such purchases after everything that has happened, we deserve it.

It probably will, but then again regardless of which fighter jet we purchased we would have run into political sabotage and delaying so might as well get one of the best fighter jet there is. At this point there is urgency, and we can't be picky. Hopefully that will not be the case in the next decade.

 

[what]

I think with the upcoming government change in Germany, and with most likely the CDU running the show, they will be lifting most if not all restrictions on weapons exports.

 

[Sanchez]

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While this is a pretty nice infographic, it is very outdated. For one if I remember right, targeting pod on the inner pylons instead of a Meteor never worked, EF-2000 still carries its targeting pod on the center pylon, in place of the centerline tank.

So this is how its loadout actually looks on interdiction/strike role.

 

[Spitfire9]

I think with the upcoming government change in Germany, and with most likely the CDU running the show, they will be lifting most if not all restrictions on weapons exports.

It is a shame for the UK that they did not lift restrictions a year or two ago. The UK assembly line could have done with a Typhoon order to keep the assembly line going.

Production ‘essentially stopped’ for British-built Typhoons

Workers at BAE Systems warn that production has "essentially stopped" at Warton, with no future orders in place. They urge the UK government to order 24 Typhoon jets to secure the UK's sovereign defence capabilities.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

 

[Saithan]

I think it would be a mistake to reduce the number of upgrades for F-16, and I think it's better to get those upgrades started immediately. You don't know which way the ball will roll, and in these times it's better to be overspending on Airforce than underspending.

EF is still a new jet and we'll be very new to it, I seriously doubt the old Trance 1 UK has can be used for educational purpose. I believe it's in our best interest to have a full fleet of F-16 that we can rely on until we've had EF in our hands for like 10 years and gotten enough experience with it.

 

[Sanchez]

I think it would be a mistake to reduce the number of upgrades for F-16, and I think it's better to get those upgrades started immediately.

Prevalent thinking is that some very older Block 30s may be retired with just Özgür I, after 2030s, this should be less than 30 jets. With the structural modernization those aircraft received in the last few years, they will be online for about 6-10 more years. Development of Özgür II package is ongoing and prototype should be ready by 2028.

EF is still a new jet

Eurofighter is many things, but it's not new.

I seriously doubt the old Trance 1 UK has can be used for educational purpose

There's no concrete evidence to suggest TurAF is contemplating ex-RAF T1s. We know that it was offered few years ago by UK, and some online pundits, like me, have argued that it could be used for conversion training to get the ball rolling, but it's not expected that it will happen.

have a full fleet of F-16 that we can rely on until we've had EF in our hands for like 10 years and gotten enough experience with it

We already have 230+ F-16s, those aircraft are not going anywhere until 2035+. Even after then, with Vipers and Özgür II, we can safely expect them to stay around at least until late 2040s.

 

[dBSPL]

With the current F-16 fleet of around 230 aircraft, 40 new Vipers and, according to the defense minister, 40 Typhoons, a fleet size of around 310 4.5+ generation jets should indirectly suggest that the TAF will acquire at least around 300 new generation jets in the next 25 years.

 

[dBSPL]

Eurofighter is in the Permission Process in Germany​

In response to questions regarding the latest status of Eurofighter procurement within the scope of Minister Yaşar Güler’s recent statements, Ministry of National Defence sources said, “The sale of the Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft to our country has previously been approved by the consortium member countries of the United Kingdom, Spain and Italy. Germany has approved the assignment of a Temporary Sales Authority for the sale of the aircraft. It is assessed that this will accelerate the procurement process. Technical level studies are ongoing for the procurement of the Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft, which is assessed to be an alternative to meet the operational needs of our Air Force Command.”

According to ministry sources, the Eurofighter problem will also be discussed at the United Kingdom Defence Minister’s visit to Minister Yaşar Güler today.

What is Temporary Sales Authority​

In Germany, the Temporary Sales Authority (Temporäre Verkaufsbehörde) reports directly to the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Climate Action (Bundesministerium für Wirtschaft und Klimaschutz - BMWK). This authority oversees and coordinates the export licencing processes, particularly for military and strategic commodities.

https://turdef.com/article/eurofighter-is-in-the-permission-process-in-germany

British Secretary of State for Defence Healey Visits TUSAŞ​

British Secretary of State for Defence John Healey, invited by Turkish Counterpart Yaşar Güler, visited TUSAS along with Secretary of SSB Haluk Görgün.

Secretary of Defence Industries Haluk Görgün shared information and snapshots of two ministers’ visits to Turkish aerospace facilities. Görgün wrote that the British Minister signed the condolence book in memory of our TUSAŞ martyrs, and Görgün added, “We talked about TUSAŞ’s achievements in the defence industry. We had the opportunity to show the Minister our National Combat Aircraft KAAN, Jet Training Aircraft HÜRJET, AKSUNGUR, ANKA and ANKA-III on site. We thank the Minister for his visit and condolences.” TUSAŞ General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu accompanied the delegation throughout their visit.

TurDef understands that the visit will be a milestone in the Eurofighter acquisition programme. Defence Minister Güler confirmed two days ago, Turkiye’s interest in acquiring 40 Eurofighters in a TV interview. The acquisition decision has waited for a long time to overcome German resistance, but TurDef understands that the process has not waited for the decision; technical negotiations might have continued. This is why Turkiye might start the process once German approval is received and Turkish Air Force might expect the Eurofighters before F-16s.

British Minister’s visit to TUSAŞ also hints that a hybrid acquisition might be followed. It is known that Turkiye wants the latest version of Eurofighters. On the other hand, the Turkish MoD might evaluate acquiring some fighters second-hand once the urgent need is met with brand new ones. In this way the Eurofighters might be modernised at TUSAŞ facilities while the cost would be lower and it would take less time to complete all fleet.

https://turdef.com/article/british-secretary-of-state-for-defence-healey-visits-tusas

“In this way the Eurofighters might be modernised at TAI facilities while the cost would be lower and it would take less time to complete all fleet.”

This editor claim is one of the possibilities that I keep in the back of my mind and that is why it is one of the main reasons for the EF related posts I wrote in the Aircraft carrier thread.

Just thinking out loud: If the purchase of EF for the air force is finalized, can we become an industrial participant of this aircraft by undertaking the development cost of the STOBAR variant of EF, which has been prepared for several tenders before but has not received an order and therefore has not yet emerged, but the project was ready to start?

(The following excerpt is a worth reading post with concentrated information on the development of Navalize Typhoon in past.)

Naval Eurofighter Typhoon projects

This may well be bollocks and sloppy journalism, though I understand that the Typhoon (N) “is not dead” and that the studies are still being looked at and kept under review. The option of a ‘marinised’ Typhoon has been studied several times, first as the only STOBAR aircraft type to be...

www.secretprojects.co.uk

 

[Afif]

With the current F-16 fleet of around 230 aircraft, 40 new Vipers and, according to the defense minister, 40 Typhoons, a fleet size of around 310 4.5+ generation jets should indirectly suggest that the TAF will acquire at least around 300 new generation jets in the next 25 years.

These new Typhoons and Vipers if procured will fly into 2060.

 

[dBSPL]

These new Typhoons and Vipers if procured will fly into 2060.

Probably. I am aware that I left a 10-year optimism gap. What I wanted to point out, even a one-to-one modernisation of fleets as we move from 4.5 to 5+ will create a huge order blocks. Newly planned Viper and if realized, Typhoon fuselages can see 2060 as you said, which makes a maximum of 40+20 jets. If the country's military capacity, aviation industry and economy will remain at the same point between now and 2060, and If the fleets are replaced one-to-one the total number will drop to around 250 in the next 25-30 years. 10-15 years ago, TAF plan was also +300 by the way (around 250 + around 100 if I am not mistaken) . In the meantime, we were excluded from JSF and focused only on KAAN program.