TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Ripley]

And Turkey isn't as important as India for US' future plans regarding Pacific. Neither is it the second biggest country on the planet.

Yes. Please keep this in mind for future reference.
India is unique.
They can purchase, joint develop, manufacture almost any military hardware from Western countries, Russia and China at the same time due its economical size and political influence which rapidly increasing not only regionally but also beyond.

 

[Ripley]

nope, but they got a CAATSA sanctions waiver, they can go buy whatever they want

Until they violate a CAATSA rule from US point of view.

 

[Khagan1923]

Until they violate a CAATSA rule from US point of view.

India will never face CAATSA because the US needs them against China. India is aware of this and walks along the edge. Unless they do something very egregious i.e. send troops to Ukraine, send Russia material help in their war, the US will never sanction them. Also India has good relations with Israel which helps in Washington.

Also India was never offered the F-35 and was not about to receive a batch of them when they decided to go and purchase the S-400. I'm sure if India played it the same way we did they too would have faced consequences. (Never receiving their F-35).

India also does not buy American tech, it is mostly Israeli and European. I think their major American purchase was the AH-64.

 

[guest12]

India will never face CAATSA because the US needs them against China. India is aware of this and walks along the edge. Unless they do something very egregious i.e. send troops to Ukraine, send Russia material help in their war, the US will never sanction them. Also India has good relations with Israel which helps in Washington.

Also India was never offered the F-35 and was not about to receive a batch of them when they decided to go and purchase the S-400. I'm sure if India played it the same way we did they too would have faced consequences. (Never receiving their F-35).

India also does not buy American tech, it is mostly Israeli and European. I think their major American purchase was the AH-64.

India license produce Russian tank ammunations and they already sent them to Russia

 

[Sanchez]

Please let's remain on topic.

 

[Ripley]

India will never face CAATSA because the US needs them against China. India is aware of this and walks along the edge. Unless they do something very egregious i.e. send troops to Ukraine, send Russia material help in their war, the US will never sanction them. Also India has good relations with Israel which helps in Washington.

Also India was never offered the F-35 and was not about to receive a batch of them when they decided to go and purchase the S-400. I'm sure if India played it the same way we did they too would have faced consequences. (Never receiving their F-35).

India also does not buy American tech, it is mostly Israeli and European. I think their major American purchase was the AH-64.

That’s what I meant when I say from the US POV, which will never happen, like you put it.

They “severely warned” India when they went for S400 but nothing happened.
So, do not consider it like it’s etched on rocks for eternity. The US will manevour around it or strike in the middle as it pleases her.

 

[Huelague]

The whole discussion about sanctions on Kaan might be right. On the other hand, these sanctions backfired and hit the own defense industry and strengthened our own defense industry and capabilities. Maybe they will think twice before they sanctioned us again.

 

[Zoth]

The whole discussion about sanctions on Kaan might be right. On the other hand, these sanctions backfired and hit the own defense industry and strengthened our own defense industry and capabilities. Maybe they will think twice before they sanctioned us again.

The question here is not whether we are going to succeed or not, because we are going to succeed no matter what, it's a matter of time, we have no other choice.

 

[Iskander]

US has never offered India the F-35 and probably will never offer it due to how close India is to Russia even now during the Ukraine War. Still US needs India to counter balance China in the region. So they play a delicate game with them.

LM had to offer India an costumized F-16 (F-21). Why no F-35? Also as others have mentioned India is not part of NATO.

When it comes to politics, never say “Never!”

 

[Iskander]

Zhuhai Airshow Highlights China 6th-Generation Fighter Prototype Designed for Space Missions.

At the 15th edition of the Zhuhai International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, which opened on November 12, 2024, the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) revealed a full-scale model of its new 6th-generation fighter concept, named "Baidi" or "White Emperor." Inspired by a deity from the Shang dynasty, this futuristic aircraft embodies China's ambitions in advanced aeronautical technologies, though it remains a conceptual model with no operational capabilities.

The "Baidi" is part of the "Nantianmen" project, a national research and development program focused on future technologies. This initiative aims to push the limits of aerospace by exploring the integration of atmospheric and space missions. Designed to operate near the edge of space, the "Baidi" is theoretically capable of reaching the Kármán line, approximately 100 kilometers above Earth, marking an ambitious leap for a 6th-generation fighter. However, it remains a technological vision rather than a functional aircraft.

Zhuhai Airshow Highlights China 6th-Generation Fighter Prototype Designed for Space Missions

Zhuhai Airshow Highlights China 6th-Generation Fighter Prototype Designed for Space Missions

armyrecognition.com

 

[begturan]

America's policy towards Turkey has always been based on delaying the Turkish defense industry, so they have more time to unite PYD and Israel. They plan to do this before we can stand on our own feet, that's all there is to it, of course if the ongoing balances in the world allow it... So They will provide us the engines but with delay.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Then you have to bet on several horses and Turkey does that too! With air defense systems for land and sea, ballistic missiles, and the Anka 3 and Kizilelma Project.
If these systems are really ready in 2-3 years together with the Gezgin cruise missiles and the integration of SOM cruise missiles with the stealth drones. With their sheer quantity of 30-40 units each and a total of 60-80 units from 2029/30, they alone can give Iran/Russia, France/Greece, USA & Israel a hint to keep their feet still. With the combination of F-16 Özgur I/II and Eurofighters, Turkey has time until 2035 to develop TAI KAAN with its own engine.