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[Ripley]

And Turkey isn't as important as India for US' future plans regarding Pacific. Neither is it the second biggest country on the planet.

Yes. Please keep this in mind for future reference.
India is unique.
They can purchase, joint develop, manufacture almost any military hardware from Western countries, Russia and China at the same time due its economical size and political influence which rapidly increasing not only regionally but also beyond.

 

[Ripley]

nope, but they got a CAATSA sanctions waiver, they can go buy whatever they want

Until they violate a CAATSA rule from US point of view.

 

[Khagan1923]

Until they violate a CAATSA rule from US point of view.

India will never face CAATSA because the US needs them against China. India is aware of this and walks along the edge. Unless they do something very egregious i.e. send troops to Ukraine, send Russia material help in their war, the US will never sanction them. Also India has good relations with Israel which helps in Washington.

Also India was never offered the F-35 and was not about to receive a batch of them when they decided to go and purchase the S-400. I'm sure if India played it the same way we did they too would have faced consequences. (Never receiving their F-35).

India also does not buy American tech, it is mostly Israeli and European. I think their major American purchase was the AH-64.

 

[guest12]

India will never face CAATSA because the US needs them against China. India is aware of this and walks along the edge. Unless they do something very egregious i.e. send troops to Ukraine, send Russia material help in their war, the US will never sanction them. Also India has good relations with Israel which helps in Washington.

Also India was never offered the F-35 and was not about to receive a batch of them when they decided to go and purchase the S-400. I'm sure if India played it the same way we did they too would have faced consequences. (Never receiving their F-35).

India also does not buy American tech, it is mostly Israeli and European. I think their major American purchase was the AH-64.

India license produce Russian tank ammunations and they already sent them to Russia

 

[Sanchez]

Please let's remain on topic.

 

[Ripley]

India will never face CAATSA because the US needs them against China. India is aware of this and walks along the edge. Unless they do something very egregious i.e. send troops to Ukraine, send Russia material help in their war, the US will never sanction them. Also India has good relations with Israel which helps in Washington.

Also India was never offered the F-35 and was not about to receive a batch of them when they decided to go and purchase the S-400. I'm sure if India played it the same way we did they too would have faced consequences. (Never receiving their F-35).

India also does not buy American tech, it is mostly Israeli and European. I think their major American purchase was the AH-64.

That’s what I meant when I say from the US POV, which will never happen, like you put it.

They “severely warned” India when they went for S400 but nothing happened.
So, do not consider it like it’s etched on rocks for eternity. The US will manevour around it or strike in the middle as it pleases her.

 

[Huelague]

The whole discussion about sanctions on Kaan might be right. On the other hand, these sanctions backfired and hit the own defense industry and strengthened our own defense industry and capabilities. Maybe they will think twice before they sanctioned us again.

 

[Zoth]

The whole discussion about sanctions on Kaan might be right. On the other hand, these sanctions backfired and hit the own defense industry and strengthened our own defense industry and capabilities. Maybe they will think twice before they sanctioned us again.

The question here is not whether we are going to succeed or not, because we are going to succeed no matter what, it's a matter of time, we have no other choice.

 

[Iskander]

US has never offered India the F-35 and probably will never offer it due to how close India is to Russia even now during the Ukraine War. Still US needs India to counter balance China in the region. So they play a delicate game with them.

LM had to offer India an costumized F-16 (F-21). Why no F-35? Also as others have mentioned India is not part of NATO.

When it comes to politics, never say “Never!”

 

[Iskander]

Zhuhai Airshow Highlights China 6th-Generation Fighter Prototype Designed for Space Missions.

At the 15th edition of the Zhuhai International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, which opened on November 12, 2024, the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) revealed a full-scale model of its new 6th-generation fighter concept, named "Baidi" or "White Emperor." Inspired by a deity from the Shang dynasty, this futuristic aircraft embodies China's ambitions in advanced aeronautical technologies, though it remains a conceptual model with no operational capabilities.

The "Baidi" is part of the "Nantianmen" project, a national research and development program focused on future technologies. This initiative aims to push the limits of aerospace by exploring the integration of atmospheric and space missions. Designed to operate near the edge of space, the "Baidi" is theoretically capable of reaching the Kármán line, approximately 100 kilometers above Earth, marking an ambitious leap for a 6th-generation fighter. However, it remains a technological vision rather than a functional aircraft.

Zhuhai Airshow Highlights China 6th-Generation Fighter Prototype Designed for Space Missions

Zhuhai Airshow Highlights China 6th-Generation Fighter Prototype Designed for Space Missions

armyrecognition.com

 

[begturan]

America's policy towards Turkey has always been based on delaying the Turkish defense industry, so they have more time to unite PYD and Israel. They plan to do this before we can stand on our own feet, that's all there is to it, of course if the ongoing balances in the world allow it... So They will provide us the engines but with delay.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Then you have to bet on several horses and Turkey does that too! With air defense systems for land and sea, ballistic missiles, and the Anka 3 and Kizilelma Project.
If these systems are really ready in 2-3 years together with the Gezgin cruise missiles and the integration of SOM cruise missiles with the stealth drones. With their sheer quantity of 30-40 units each and a total of 60-80 units from 2029/30, they alone can give Iran/Russia, France/Greece, USA & Israel a hint to keep their feet still. With the combination of F-16 Özgur I/II and Eurofighters, Turkey has time until 2035 to develop TAI KAAN with its own engine.

 

[Khagan1923]

Sadly with snap elections happening in February here this deal will be delayed until then and then depending on the outcome it could fall apart. I do not think that the SPD and Scholz want to have "sold Türkiye Eurofighters" hanging around their neck during the election.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1857744720614605299

According to this swiss article the matters has been handed off to the German Export Control Committee. Which would mean green light on the political side. This in theory would mean there are no political hurdles left. But as I said with snap elections in february I would not expect any answer until they are over and their fallout could mean this deal still being toppled by whoever is in charge. Let's hope it will be a coalition of CDU+SPD that will emerge. If in any shape a leftist party finds its way in to the ruling coalition we can say bye bye to this deal.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1857744720614605299

Let's hope it will be a coalition of CDU+SPD that will emerge. If in any shape a leftist party finds its way in to the ruling coalition we can say bye bye to this deal.

It's not as simple as that - the Germans had the gun put to their chest by the other consortium members to agree to the deal!
Many billions of euros are at stake and the jobs of the respective countries are at stake.
I would even go so far as to say that the consortium members
threatened to dissolve and re-establish the Eurofighter consortium without Germany, otherwise the Foreign Minister Yasar Güler would not have used this statement that the other members would use their influence on Germany to get Germany to agree.
All of a sudden they changed their minds through massive pressure from the other members.
If the Germans refuse to accept a new government, e.g. a coalition with AfD, GRÜNEN (Yesil Parti) and CSU/CDU parties.
Then the British will be the first to fuck the Germans in the ass, the German arms industry already has its back to the wall.
Nobody wants to cooperate with them on sensitive defense technologies because they are too unpredictable. Back then, the Germans solved their whims of doing good by pumping billions more into the project, thereby reassuring the other members.
That no longer works, the other countries prefer to do without the money because they know they can easily recoup it by exporting.
They were not even invited into the TEMPEST program of the British, Japanese and Italians, and the French with the Spanish in the FCAS are putting more and more pressure on Germany to develop and manufacture a large part of the aircraft from Dassault, including with a majority right. The French are even threatening to kick Germany out of the project and would even be prepared to finance the project alone with the Spain.
Or even worse, Spain would feel confirmed that the Germans are a drag and switch to the TEMPEST program. All defense industry nations are fed up with Germany.
In contrast to Germany, Dassault's order books are full of orders from Rafaele & Co and they can also finance a GEN 6 aircraft on their own.

 

[Sanchez]

I would even go so far as to say that the consortium members threatened to dissolve and re-establish the Eurofighter consortium without Germany

They can't. Germany owns the IP as do other members. There was never going to be a Eurofighter sale without Germany's approval.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

They can't. Germany owns the IP as do other members. There was never going to be a Eurofighter sale without Germany's approval.

That's true, but it's also true that BAE Systems did a study to see if they could make all the Eurofighter subsystems themselves, you can guess why they did that. They are no longer part of the EU and they would be fined and the threat of Germany would go into the void of infinity.

 

[Zoth]

They can't. Germany owns the IP as do other members. There was never going to be a Eurofighter sale without Germany's approval.

Well, the problem is not only legal anymore, the production line in UK is about to fully close if there are not any new orders and that's not acceptable for the future of Tempest, Turkey may even consider buying more EFs if they end up liking the plane and also receive the option to integrate their domestic weapons/systems.

 

[Ripley]

F4 Phantom’s 50 years of service in TurAF was celebrated with a “valley pass” before invited guests!

Baba, I wish you could stay with us another 50 years.
I hope, no I pray that after their retirement they could keep couple of them in flying condition so that we can see them on flight shows and Victory Day parade.

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