TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Shtr]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871278388800827763

 

[Shtr]

Rumours say that they will move production line to Türkiye..

 

[Huelague]

Rumours say that they will move production line to Türkiye..

The only reason why Türkiye could decide for F-16V.

 

[Zoth]

Rumours say that they will move production line to Türkiye..

Which rumors and which production line? The production line of EF? How would that be possible?

 

[Huelague]

Which rumors and which production line? The production line of EF? How would that be possible?

He means F-16. USA doesn’t have EF.

 

[Zoth]

He means F-16. USA doesn’t have EF.

Ofcourse i know that, he posted 2nd time right after his EF post, without giving more context. Hence my question.

 

[2033]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871278388800827763

It's nothing more than a guess of the Twitter account.

 

[uçuyorum]

Eurofighter is known to be more expensive though, and even more expensive to non consortium members, it is a very high end capability, whereas F16 with FMS and very large production numbers to date, is going to be much cheaper.

 

[fushkee]

300m pound per aircraft

 

[Shtr]

Source of the all discussions was this twit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871280766036111401

I think some people misunderstood some parts of the twit. However I am still unsure about this statement. If we consider current orders and state of the Eurofighter in UK, It might be true that they will be produced in Türkiye. However I personally feel weak this option and I think he wanted to say that delivery order has changed and UK's production will be for Türkiye.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871332901796880445

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871332901796880445

This account pulls everything out of its behind, it is not a serious source nor has it ever gotten anything right, you would think with how much they throw on the wall something would stick.

 

[Shtr]

This account pulls everything out of its behind, it is not a serious source nor has it ever gotten anything right, you would think with how much they throw on the wand something would stick.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871399970664018005

There are others too. I said already it is just rumor. No need to take it serious but this idea is not fully absurd. Giving some attention makes sense.

 

[Blackeyes90]

I think what Mr Tayfun Erdil wanted to say is England's Procurement Slot will be given to Turkey for quicker delivery. I dont think the entire production line will be opened in Tusas for Eurofighter. Lets wait and see.

 

[Khagan1923]

I think what Mr Tayfun Erdil wanted to say is England's Procurement Slot will be given to Turkey for quicker delivery. I dont think the entire production line will be opened in Tusas for Eurofighter. Lets wait and see.

Exactly, why would England be okay with transfering their production line to Türkiye and lose thousands of jobs?

Also you can't just open a line in another country, all members of the consortium need vote for it.

Erdil is talking about England shifting its own place in the production line over to Türkiye so TAF does not have to wait until the end of this decade for its EF.

 

[Zoth]

Exactly, why would England be okay with transfering their production line to Türkiye and lose thousands of jobs?

Also you can't just open a line in another country, all members of the consortium need vote for it.

Erdil is talking about England shifting its own place in the production line over to Türkiye so TAF does not have to wait until the end of this decade for its EF.

This is the most possible outcome, i've been very baffled at how people can believe anything that is thrown at them.

In the first place, UK needed new orders of EF in order to keep EF production line alive for the Tempest project, so they don't lose both the production line and the experienced workforce. It's not a surprise that UK pressured Germany so much to allow the sales for Turkey.

What can be produced in Turkey can be some spare parts, Turkey is very stubborn in this matter, we are one of the best armies who pay so much detail into logistics(after US).

In any case, this is a win/win situation for both parties involved, UK gets to keep it's production line, and we update our very outdated Airforce with very capable jets.

 

[Baklava Consumer]

Does anyone know if the eurofighters will have latest ECRS MK.2 radar? Will it have Cockpit Large Area Display (LAD)?

What about meteor?

 

[dBSPL]

There are rumors that Turkiye is expected to sign a contract worth 12 billion £ (14.45 billion €) for 20 Eurofighter Tranche 4+20 Eurofighter Tranche 5 (optional). Deliveries are expected to begin in 2027. There is also a separate weapons package worth 2.5 billion euros if all options of the weapons package are exercised.

40 Eurofighter Tranche 4/5+ weapons= ~17billion euros
40 F-16 block 70+weapons=~7 billions euros

Üstad, Should we expect a development regarding the Hürjet EJ200 integration that we have seen on social media lately?

We know that it was one of the engines evaluated in the past years when the Hurjet was still in the design phase, but for one reason or another, the project continued with the F404. Although there are many questions such as whether there is such a demand, or even if there is, which buyer will bear the cost of these development and integration studies; The inclusion of the EJ200 in the engine configuration options of the Hürjet could bring the project to the forefront more for the EF user air forces' LIFT needs, and with the better thrust-to-weight ratio to be provided, the Hürjet could be transformed into a platform that can meet the combat jet needs of many small-to-medium sized air forces in the world by providing a light attack capability that can be fully equivalent to the Gripen etc.

I've been coming across a lot of discussions lately, but for example the following ones are a bit more interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1864275609595076891

Some British defense aviation enthusiasts are questioning how the Hurjet with if have british engine and some british avionics, can meet the needs of the UK's Royal air force in this area and where the Hürjet stands compared to other systems on the market.

Although I am not familiar with the details, I believe that Spain's ultimate goal is to have a configuration flexibility on the Hürjet that is incomparable to other aircraft in the tender. I think this can be one of the biggest advantage of the Hürjet over competing systems.

 

[TheInsider]

We need to finance a new EJ-200 variant because there is no EJ-200 variant for single-engine configuration. It can be arranged, but I doubt it will come cheap. We should accept the costs on the condition that those engines will be produced in Turkiye. TAEC can locally produce the engines. We should integrate it to Hurjet, twin-engine Kızılelma should have a single EJ-200 engine and the supersonic variant of Anka-3 should have a single EJ-200 as well. Those 3 platforms will require at least 500 engines and this investment will be lucrative.

 

[Heartbang]

Üstad, Should we expect a development regarding the Hürjet EJ200 integration that we have seen on social media lately?

We know that it was one of the engines evaluated in the past years when the Hurjet was still in the design phase, but for one reason or another, the project continued with the F404. Although there are many questions such as whether there is such a demand, or even if there is, which buyer will bear the cost of these development and integration studies; The inclusion of the EJ200 in the engine configuration options of the Hürjet could bring the project to the forefront more for the EF user air forces' LIFT needs, and with the better thrust-to-weight ratio to be provided, the Hürjet could be transformed into a platform that can meet the combat jet needs of many small-to-medium sized air forces in the world by providing a light attack capability that can be fully equivalent to the Gripen etc.

I've been coming across a lot of discussions lately, but for example the following ones are a bit more interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1864275609595076891

Some British defense aviation enthusiasts are questioning how the Hurjet with if have british engine and some british avionics, can meet the needs of the UK's Royal air force in this area and where the Hürjet stands compared to other systems on the market.

Although I am not familiar with the details, I believe that Spain's ultimate goal is to have a configuration flexibility on the Hürjet that is incomparable to other aircraft in the tender. I think this can be one of the biggest advantage of the Hürjet over competing systems.

The EJ200-laden Hurjet should also have preliminary measures for stealth-optimized geometry and naval use for competentcy in the 4.5 gen fighter jet space.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I would not install any European subcomponents if Germany has an intellectual property right to the Engine like EJ200.
The Hürjet should continue to run with the GE F-404 engine and the Aircraft should simply be further optimized in the PT3 or PT4.

45000FT -> 48000 FT

Mach 1.4 -> 1.5

48,500 fpm climb rate

6.3G -> 6.5G sustained turn rate at 15k ft

Payload 3400kg -> 3800kg

Range 1900km -> 2000km

Improve Engine Air intakes with RAM Air Effect to increase thrust without modifying the Engine 17700 lbf -> 19000 lbf would be realistically possible.

HÜRJET is the ideal Trainer and Light Fighter Aircraft for cost-efficient manned patrols in Turkish Airspace, with 6-8 IR AAM/BVR AAM Config and the co-pilot then manages the 2-3 Wingman Drones with shortcuts in the Display Cockpit.
Or battle with Terrorists with Low Air Defence capabilities but Nothing more!

If you absolutely want to have an Aircraft for the future Aircraft Carriers, then you should design a completely new Aircraft.
Turkey needs a cost-efficient, Compact Fighter Land/Navy Aircraft that will replace the F-16 and F-4 in the long term, parallel to the TAI KAAN and Eurofighter as an Air Superiority Fighters.
The Aircraft should be designed for maximum cost efficiency and Stealth as a GEN 5.5/6 Aircraft, with a Modular Design that can fly both manned and unmanned, with a Single Jet Engine TEI TF-35000 with Delta Canard Design.
Or Turkey comes to terms with the US Government and buys F-35s for Aircraft Carriers.

There is no point in putting money into a Gen 4.5 like Hürjet to make it maximally combat capable for the Navy....
It would always lose out in direct Combat against all Navy Aircrafts like Rafale, F-18 Super Hornet, F-15EX Eagle II, F-35 and future FCAS in the Open Sea.