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The UK convinced France to sell Meteor missiles to Turkiye according to Milliyet. Milliyet says a lot nowadays. I'm curious about their source.
 

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The UK convinced France to sell Meteor missiles to Turkiye according to Milliyet. Milliyet says a lot nowadays. I'm curious about their source.
UK convinced France for Meteor missile sale but the actual approval of Eurofighter's sale is not even in German Goverment's table yet, since the govertment fell, the approval has not been signed yet. This is a weird situation, i don't know what to say on it.
 

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UK convinced France for Meteor missile sale but the actual approval of Eurofighter's sale is not even in German Goverment's table yet, since the govertment fell, the approval has not been signed yet. This is a weird situation, i don't know what to say on it.

Don't they have anything like “ Presidential Decree”
 
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I don't think France would okay selling Meteor AAM to Turkey, but let's see.
Slowly moving forward.

"Ankara seems to be making the release of the Meteor medium-range air-to -air missiles a condition for acquiring the Eurofighter Typhoon fighters , and according to the French newspaper La Tribune, this development is expected to test relations between Athens and Paris . For several months, Turkey has been looking for an “antidote” to the Greek Rafale and is now closer than ever to buying the EF-2000 fighter jets manufactured in Europe. Like the Rafale, the Eurofighters are certified to carry powerful air superiority weapons , such as the Meteor missile, the export of which requires a license from France.

After consultations that lasted almost two years, Turkey seems to have managed to overcome the resistance of Berlin, which had placed an embargo on the sale of the EF-2000 , and having secured the green light from London , Madrid and Rome , it can proceed with the acquisition of 40 4.5 generation Eurofighter Typhoon fighter aircraft . The European fighter is manufactured by a consortium of British, German and Italian companies and its sale requires a special license from all three countries.

However, to compete with the Greek Rafale, the Eurofighter needs the Meteor missile, which is manufactured by MBDA, a joint venture involving France, Britain and Italy. As with the platform (Eurofighter Typhoon), so with the weapon (Meteor), its export requires the consent of all members of the joint venture. And while the approval of London and Rome is considered a given by Ankara, Paris seems to be "weighing" its moves in view of the impact that the possible sale of the weapon will have on Greek-French relations, which are governed by the mutual defense cooperation agreement signed by the two sides in 2021.

At present, it is not known whether Paris will bow to London's pressure to release the missile in order to proceed with the sale of 40 Eurofighters to Turkey, an initiative "led" by Britain. However, Turkish publications reported a few days ago that British officials managed to convince their French counterparts, securing permission to export the Meteor to Turkey, although there is still no official position. In late December, however, British Eurofighters landed in Ankara to be inspected by Turkish air force units. "


"On the other hand, Greece, which has very recently received its last Rafales (24 aircraft) is asking Paris, with which it signed a strategic partnership in 2021, to oppose the sale of this air-to-air missile"

 

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"The CN235s in the inventory are very worn out and have spare parts and sustainment problems. Some of them will undergo avionic modernization, some of them will be decommissioned in the future, perhaps they will be sold, and if the budget is available, they will be replaced by an estimated 20-25 new production C295 or C-27J aircraft. Of course, this will be realized on a 10-year timetable. In the first phase, 10 C-130Js are expected to be delivered between 2025 and 2027..."
Airbus officially offered C-295 to gendarme. JnGK currently does not operate fixed wing cargo aircraft. CN235 is no longer in production so this probably would be the next cheapest option for JnGK.

"By talking to market actors, we are trying to direct our efforts to combine their vision for aviation with the vision of 'Çelik Kanatlar'. In this context, we develop and commercialize the auxiliary equipment needed, and transfer the resources obtained back to the gendarmerie. The work with Airbus is part of this vision. The Gendarmerie needs aircraft developed by Airbus. We are here to find the most cost-effective solution by discussing the commercial activities here with the stakeholders as much as possible, in line with the traditions of the state, within the order-command order."


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Slowly moving forward.

"Ankara seems to be making the release of the Meteor medium-range air-to -air missiles a condition for acquiring the Eurofighter Typhoon fighters , and according to the French newspaper La Tribune, this development is expected to test relations between Athens and Paris . For several months, Turkey has been looking for an “antidote” to the Greek Rafale and is now closer than ever to buying the EF-2000 fighter jets manufactured in Europe. Like the Rafale, the Eurofighters are certified to carry powerful air superiority weapons , such as the Meteor missile, the export of which requires a license from France.

After consultations that lasted almost two years, Turkey seems to have managed to overcome the resistance of Berlin, which had placed an embargo on the sale of the EF-2000 , and having secured the green light from London , Madrid and Rome , it can proceed with the acquisition of 40 4.5 generation Eurofighter Typhoon fighter aircraft . The European fighter is manufactured by a consortium of British, German and Italian companies and its sale requires a special license from all three countries.

However, to compete with the Greek Rafale, the Eurofighter needs the Meteor missile, which is manufactured by MBDA, a joint venture involving France, Britain and Italy. As with the platform (Eurofighter Typhoon), so with the weapon (Meteor), its export requires the consent of all members of the joint venture. And while the approval of London and Rome is considered a given by Ankara, Paris seems to be "weighing" its moves in view of the impact that the possible sale of the weapon will have on Greek-French relations, which are governed by the mutual defense cooperation agreement signed by the two sides in 2021.

At present, it is not known whether Paris will bow to London's pressure to release the missile in order to proceed with the sale of 40 Eurofighters to Turkey, an initiative "led" by Britain. However, Turkish publications reported a few days ago that British officials managed to convince their French counterparts, securing permission to export the Meteor to Turkey, although there is still no official position. In late December, however, British Eurofighters landed in Ankara to be inspected by Turkish air force units. "


"On the other hand, Greece, which has very recently received its last Rafales (24 aircraft) is asking Paris, with which it signed a strategic partnership in 2021, to oppose the sale of this air-to-air missile"

But wouldn't it be okay, if SOM-J was integratable with the Typhoon. I know we developed one for F35, but since that was the case US/west would already know enough about it to not worry about keeping it a secret. As such I think being able to use SOM-J on it would still be a win for us.
 

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Airbus officially offered C-295 to gendarme. JnGK currently does not operate fixed wing cargo aircraft. CN235 is no longer in production so this probably would be the next cheapest option for JnGK.

"By talking to market actors, we are trying to direct our efforts to combine their vision for aviation with the vision of 'Çelik Kanatlar'. In this context, we develop and commercialize the auxiliary equipment needed, and transfer the resources obtained back to the gendarmerie. The work with Airbus is part of this vision. The Gendarmerie needs aircraft developed by Airbus. We are here to find the most cost-effective solution by discussing the commercial activities here with the stakeholders as much as possible, in line with the traditions of the state, within the order-command order."


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I may be looking at it through rose-colored glasses, but I believe that the facilities, which were established under the same name and at the same location as Tayyare ve Motor Türk Anonim Şirketi (TOMTAŞ) with the partnership of TAI, ASFAT and Erciyes Teknopark, and 40% of which will later offered to the public, can increase their technical and production capacity to the optimum level in the fastest way possible with this type of project. There is an enthusiasm and high aspiration among Kayseri's industrialists, which is not only limited to SMEs and Technopark, but also extends to the creation of an Aviation and Space Sciences High School in Kayseri as a source of technical personnel. The company will participate in the production of the Hürjet in the first phase, but if the company is offered to the public together with the tactical transport aircraft program, which will be assembled and tested here with a flexible license agreement, for example, it will not have a problem with investment capital.

Therefore, I am more interested in the need for this tactical transport aircraft and the potential purchases in the near term, and whether it will be useful in establishing new assembly lines in our country. Personally, I also like the C27J as 295 alternative. The 295 has reached such an wide industry that today some fuselage parts are produced in India. If India can take it this share, we should be able to take more as NATO ally. The need is not limited to 3-5 aircraft, maybe in the future we will replace 235s with 295s?

With the exception of combat jets, for any platform with a total requirement over 20ish, I believe that a domestic assembly line and some system integrations are no longer an option, but a necessity. We have the technical infrastructure and capacity to undertake the any final assembly here, rather than having the aircraft manufactured in foreign factories and brought to TAI facilities for later integrations.
 
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"The Liaison and Utility Aircraft Procurement Project, which was initiated by the Presidency of Defense Industries (SSB) in 2016 for the needs of the Turkish Land Forces Command (KKK) and the Turkish National Police (EGM) and aims to ensure the dispatch of operational units with their equipment and materials in a short time between long distances without being affected by meteorological conditions, also included the Gendarmerie General Command (JGnK) after the evaluation made in 2019. The project is expected to face competition between Airbus C295 and C-27J Spartan NG Aircraft. Meanwhile, in the coming years, the Turkish Air Force is expected to modernize some of its veteran CN235 Light Transport Aircraft, while retiring some of them and replacing them with new production Transport Aircraft."

 

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