TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Atilla77]

Notice how outdated the fighter jets involved in the Ukrainian war are: the Su-24, Su-27, MiG-29, and even the Yak-52 trainers and others. Tanks: the T-55, T-62, armored personnel carriers, and infantry fighting vehicles from the 1960s...

Many countries retain even the most obsolete military equipment. The Ukrainians even have a Maxim machine gun from World War I. Anything can come in handy.
Over time, both fighter jets and pilots become obsolete. But they represent a very valuable reserve. In wartime, if 50- or 60-year-old pilots are called up, they will have a hard time retraining on new, more advanced fighters. Therefore, they will have to fly older ones, such as the F-4.

It's better to have 200 obsolete aircraft than 100.
Quantity matters, too.

Agreed. An F-16 shot down an Su-35 in Ukraine and F-16 is an inferior platform to the Eurofighter. Eurofighter may not be 5th gen but its still a top of the line aircraft and superior to the Rafale.

 

[Yasar_TR]

We can made a air lunched ballistic missile like 6 ton from eurofighter or a big GAZAP like 5 ton MOAB type bomb
But we need to modify them

Bro, although Typhoon can carry just in excess of 9000kg of payloads on its pylons, there is a limit per pylon. The most it can manage are:
2 x1300 kg Storm shadows or
2 x1400kg Taurus missiles
both on inner pylons. But it has to be fitted with Aerodynamic Modification Kit to help with manoeuvrability.

There is no way it can carry those heavy weights, without major constructional changes.

One thing that is interesting though is the fact that our 970kg Hayalet penetrating bomb, when dropped from 30-40000ft, hits ground with a speed of 1.3 Mach penetrating to a 90m depth.
Should this 0.457m diameter bomb were to be a bit “longer” and had a weight of 1500kg it would hit the ground with 1.6 Mach. If it were a 2000kg bomb it would have hit the ground with a speed of 2 Mach. I wonder how much deeper it would then have penetrated?

 

[Atilla77]

Interesting. SavunmaSanayiST claims domestic munitions will be integrated on the acquired Eurofighters.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982390120134377546

 

[hugh]

From flight.com.gr

"According to exclusive information of flight.com.gr, derived from our reliable sources in Germany, Chancellor Friedrich Mertz gave the final approval for the sale of 20 brand new Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 5 to the Turkish Air Force. The contract also includes an option for an additional 20 aircraft, significantly enhancing Turkey's capabilities in the air. The agreement, approved by Germany's Federal Security Council in June, provides for the production of the aircraft on the British assembly line at Warton, which will be reopened specifically for the Turkish order."

ΑΠΟΚΛΕΙΣΤΙΚΟ: Η Τουρκία αγοράζει 20 Eurofighter Tranche 5 με άλλα 20 σε option - Πτήση

Σύμφωνα με αποκλειστικές πληροφορίες του flight.com.gr, που προέρχονται από αξιόπιστες πηγές μας στη Γερμανία, ο Καγκελάριος Φρίντριχ Μερτς έδωσε την τελική έγκριση για την πώληση 20 ολοκαίνουργιων Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 5 στην τουρκική Αεροπορία. Το συμβόλαιο περιλαμβάνει και προαίρεση για...

flight.com.gr

 

[Turkic]

Interesting. SavunmaSanayiST claims domestic munitions will be integrated on the acquired Eurofighters.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982390120134377546

Sometimes you guys make me feel like a ghost...

Also, they claim that we will be able to integrate all our weapon systems into Eurofighters.

 

[TR_123456]

Sometimes you guys make me feel like a ghost...

Relax,your post is already acknowledged.

 

[Sanchez]

The most it can manage are:
2 x1300 kg Storm shadows or
2 x1400kg Taurus missiles

While these are the largest munitions so far rated for its hardpoints, I was never able to find a max limit. It's obviously not higher than 2 tons per hardpoint, but we don't have a definitive number. Eurofighter is clearly designed for carrying multiple long sticks in a smaller form factor, look at it:

That's 14 Meteors and 2 Iris-Ts. I'm sure it's a slog with this loadout, and have a range of roughly 200nms or so, but it can carry it. It's a much smaller airframe but carries more A2A munitions than a Su-35. Would be the perfect defensive fighter to clear the skies. Of course it's CGI, noone is mad enough to use this in peace time; but it is doable.

Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 5 to the Turkish Air Force

I will be insane by tomorrow at this rate.

SavunmaSanayiST claims domestic munitions will be integrated on the acquired Eurofighters

This is a big claim by the way. I don't know how I feel about our new radar guided munitions being opened up to Germans and the French. I really doubt this is such a clear and shut down case. I do hope that its plans include handling things in house.

 

[Ahlatshah]

And you think EF's would be adequate? EFs are obsolete unless you are facing a Rafale

A lot of people here have answered your question. We can enhanced and discuss more of course, but since you imply F35s, one of the most crucial vulnerability of our airforce is we have always dependent to one source so far, even one type of aircraft. We have seen the consequences, black mails, so forth and so on. Every lobby in America used this weakness against us. That is unacceptable and jeopardize the security of our country. Now this vulnerability is being addressed, along with other things of course.

To your question, everyone knows here F35 is a different class, but EF and especially Captor E radar is no joke either. So yes, in air superiority role, Eurofighter is one of the best there is and more than enough, until KAAN arrives and KE is matured

 

[Quasar]

A lot of people here have answered your question. We can enhanced and discuss more of course, but since you imply F35s, one of the most crucial vulnerability of our airforce is we have always dependent to one source so far, even one type of aircraft. We have seen the consequences, black mails, so forth and so on. Every lobby in America used this weakness against us. That is unacceptable and jeopardize the security of our country. Now this vulnerability is being addressed, along with other things of course.

To your question, everyone knows here F35 is a different class, but EF and especially Captor E radar is no joke either. So yes, in air superiority role, Eurofighter is one of the best there is and more than enough, until KAAN arrives and KE is matured

I know a bit early to speculate but as a matter of fact until the arrival of KAAN, a powerful platform like EF will have the potentail to provide us the glimpse of a synchronization of KAAN KIZILELMA AND ANKA 3 .....and if allowed this is as Turks what we can add to EF

 

[Ripley]

This is a big claim by the way. I don't know how I feel about our new radar guided munitions being opened up to Germans and the French. I really doubt this is such a clear and shut down case. I do hope that its plans include handling things in house.

Couldn’t emphasize more. Thank you Sanchez.

I believe The quick developments of recent days, combined with excitement of having new (less used, should I say) and capable aircraft getting into TurAF inventory after almost two decades later, tend to create a sense of euphoria among Turkish defense enthusiasts.
Lets not get carried away all the way and not stop watching what may lay ahead.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Bro, although Typhoon can carry just in excess of 9000kg of payloads on its pylons, there is a limit per pylon. The most it can manage are:
2 x1300 kg Storm shadows or
2 x1400kg Taurus missiles
both on inner pylons. But it has to be fitted with Aerodynamic Modification Kit to help with manoeuvrability.

There is no way it can carry those heavy weights, without major constructional changes.

One thing that is interesting though is the fact that our 970kg Hayalet penetrating bomb, when dropped from 30-40000ft, hits ground with a speed of 1.3 Mach penetrating to a 90m depth.
Should this 0.457m diameter bomb were to be a bit “longer” and had a weight of 1500kg it would hit the ground with 1.6 Mach. If it were a 2000kg bomb it would have hit the ground with a speed of 2 Mach. I wonder how much deeper it would then have penetrated?

Yes i know it can only carry 1.4 ton at max per pylon but if we modify them and we can attach 1 big ballistic missile to 5-6 pylons under iys belly just as russian do with Kinzhal hypersınic missiles and other big missiles .
Our hypersonic air lunched will be game charger since we can double its range

 

[Yasar_TR]

This is a big claim by the way. I don't know how I feel about our new radar guided munitions being opened up to Germans and the French. I really doubt this is such a clear and shut down case. I do hope that its plans include handling things in house.

Atilla77 said:
SavunmaSanayiST claims domestic munitions will be integrated on the acquired Eurofighters

“Our munitions capable of being integrated to Typhoons” is a statement not quite what is meant in the sense you are describing.

Normally if you want your munitions to be integrated, you send the plane and the munition to the factory and they will integrate them for you. This is a service for which we will be charged millions of dollars per munition.
This was the case for SOM-J if you remember.

What we really and actually want is partial source code acccess, to be able to integrate any of our new or old munition to the platform at our leisure.

 

[Afif]

While these are the largest munitions so far rated for its hardpoints, I was never able to find a max limit. It's obviously not higher than 2 tons per hardpoint, but we don't have a definitive number. Eurofighter is clearly designed for carrying multiple long sticks in a smaller form factor, look at it:

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I will be insane by tomorrow at this rate.

It's confusing. Afaik, Tranche-5 hasn't even been developed yet.

 

[Boykaz]

Maybe they will be integrated into Eurofighters (UBAS) to enable the use of domestic munitions?

 

[mTT]

SPECIAL: UK; Ahead of UK Prime Minister Starmer's visit to Turkey tomorrow, three Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets have been delivered to Turkey!

The three aircraft are currently located at an air base belonging to the Turkish Air Force.

The arrival of the aircraft strengthens the possibility of a contract being signed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982509186480222542