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So, what, now you are equaling neo-nazis to germans or something? Sounds like another racist remark to me, where are the mods?

Özil got backlash because he, as a german national player, took a picture with one of the most disliked world leaders in Germany, in the lead up to Turkey's General Election, which is seen as an endorsement for Erdogan. He then accused DFB and national team members for racism then voluntarily retired from the national team. Even in this case the dislike from the german public was specifically targeted to Erdogan and not turkish people in general.

And why are you even trying to connect the christchurch terrorist to this?

You act like you're victims but you and Melkor are literally spewing hateful comments against "non-muslims" over and over.

Victimhood mentality does not exist among Turks we dont cry like Armenians, Kurds and Greeks.

Good thing you deny turcophobia once again proving my point.
 

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Özil got backlash because he, as a german national player, took a picture with one of the most disliked world leaders in Germany, in the lead up to Turkey's General Election, which is seen as an endorsement for Erdogan. He then accused DFB and national team members for racism then voluntarily retired from the national team. Even in this case the dislike from the german public was specifically targeted to Erdogan and not turkish people in general.

And why are you even trying to connect the christchurch terrorist to this?

You act like you're victims but you and Melkor are literally spewing hateful comments against "non-muslims" over and over.
I’m spewing hateful comments am I? Where?
 

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Notice how you keep on saying genocide 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Karabag is internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan get a clue.

Ahh yes we are so intent on wiping out the kurds when there are more Kurds in Turkey then Syria and Iraq combined and there are more Kurds in Istanbul than Syria 🤣🤣🤣
So, does it make it right to shoot at civilian settlements?

The mayor of Baku, Hajibala Abutalybov during at a meeting with a municipal delegation from Bavaria, Germany literally said: "Our goal is the complete elimination of Armenians. You, Nazis, already eliminated the Jews in the 1930s and 40s, right? You should be able to understand us." He then became deputy prime minister of Azerbaijan from 2018 to October 2019. You still saying they don't want to genocide the Armenians, at the very least in the region?


Uhuh... You let them live as long as they bow to you.
 

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So, what, now you are equaling neo-nazis to germans or something? Sounds like another racist remark to me, where are the mods?

Özil got backlash because he, as a german national player, took a picture with one of the most disliked world leaders in Germany, in the lead up to Turkey's General Election, which is seen as an endorsement for Erdogan. He then accused DFB and national team members for racism then voluntarily retired from the national team. Even in this case the dislike from the german public was specifically targeted to Erdogan and not turkish people in general.

And why are you even trying to connect the christchurch terrorist to this?

You act like you're victims but you and Melkor are literally spewing hateful comments against "non-muslims" over and over.

Ozil was literally the scapegoat for Germanys failure in the world cup.

While his teamates apart from Boateng were cowardly silent and not even defending him.
 

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How would you feel if some Muslims were protesting and waving isis flags while shouting isis slogans in Germany.

Germany tolerates the pkk they allow them to protest, shout slogans of death while waving flags of a terrorist aka ocalan.

Imagine if al baghadadi or bin ladens images were flown by some so called Muslims.
We also allow Turks to protest whatever they want. If they want to protest against PKK protesting, I'm sure the german government would allow them to do so. We allow nutjobs to protest against coronavirus lockdowns. Germany allows a lot of things as long as they don't get violent. Welcome to Freedom of Speech.
 

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So, does it make it right to shoot at civilian settlements?

The mayor of Baku, Hajibala Abutalybov during at a meeting with a municipal delegation from Bavaria, Germany literally said: "Our goal is the complete elimination of Armenians. You, Nazis, already eliminated the Jews in the 1930s and 40s, right? You should be able to understand us." He then became deputy prime minister of Azerbaijan from 2018 to October 2019. You still saying they don't want to genocide the Armenians, at the very least in the region?


Uhuh... You let them live as long as they bow to you.

Armenians used ballistic missiles and rain them upon civilians. Look up greater armenia if you are crying about azerbaijanis and their genocidal intentions the armenians have genocidal intentions they believe land in Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia belongs to them and the people who live there either have to be deported or exterminated.

Pfft wikipedia 🤣🤣🤣

Also Karabag is Azerbaijani go cry over it. The Azerbaijani flag now waves in the city of shusha.
 

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Victimhood mentality does not exist among Turks we dont cry like Armenians, Kurds and Greeks.

Good thing you deny turcophobia once again proving my point.
You and your buddy literally just did.

Melkor: Yes this whole Tayyip is the leader of the radical islamists who threaten to bring an apocalypse upon all non-Muslims if the west doesn’t prop up the unshaven she-Kurds of north Syria is getting boring and tiring. Lefties and Rightwing, Ruskies and Yanks - they are all the same pile of excrement when it comes to spreading this type of misinformation around the last decade or so.

You: Their hate of the Turks is what unites them. Dont forget what happened to Ozil. Both left wingers and right wingers were calling him racial slurs. Burning of a turkish family by neo nazis and the christchurch massacre in 2019. Western media still fails to point it or even mention it which is anti Turkism or Turcophobia. Anti Turkism played the biggest role in the christchurch massacre which was left out. The terrorist was obessed with the Turks.

That's literally you and your friend crying that a lot of people dislike Erdogan and Turkey. Your very own last 2 examples were done by nutjobs that noone in the west condones. Yet you act as if they represent the west or something.
 

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I’m spewing hateful comments am I? Where?
"Yes this whole Tayyip is the leader of the radical islamists who threaten to bring an apocalypse upon all non-Muslims if the west doesn’t prop up the unshaven she-Kurds of north Syria is getting boring and tiring. Lefties and Rightwing, Ruskies and Yanks - they are all the same pile of excrement when it comes to spreading this type of misinformation around the last decade or so."

Literally there. Not hateful for hateful people like you since it's your normal. For everyone else, clear example of hateful comments.
 

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"Yes this whole Tayyip is the leader of the radical islamists who threaten to bring an apocalypse upon all non-Muslims if the west doesn’t prop up the unshaven she-Kurds of north Syria is getting boring and tiring. Lefties and Rightwing, Ruskies and Yanks - they are all the same pile of excrement when it comes to spreading this type of misinformation around the last decade or so."

Literally there. Not hateful for hateful people like you since it's your normal. For everyone else, clear example of hateful comments.

Why are you crying 🤣🤣🤣
 

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Ozil was literally the scapegoat for Germanys failure in the world cup.

While his teamates apart from Boateng were cowardly silent and not even defending him.
He played like shit. Along with a lot of other players. He then put himself in the crosshairs by doing what he did.

If you think people still think players like Boateng are still good, you're kidding yourself. People have been calling for him to be kicked out of the NT for a long time.

If you want the real scapegoat (and is the correct one) it's the coach Joachim Löw. LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE FOOTBALL FAN IN GERMANY HATES THAT GUY AND BLAME HIM FOR THE WORLD CUP DEBACLE. Even until today.
 

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"Yes this whole Tayyip is the leader of the radical islamists who threaten to bring an apocalypse upon all non-Muslims if the west doesn’t prop up the unshaven she-Kurds of north Syria is getting boring and tiring. Lefties and Rightwing, Ruskies and Yanks - they are all the same pile of excrement when it comes to spreading this type of misinformation around the last decade or so."

Literally there. Not hateful for hateful people like you since it's your normal. For everyone else, clear example of hateful comments.

Cries about us being hateful accuses us of genocide 🤣🤣🤣

Stay in your lane.
 

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Let's be honest, you helped "fight the Russians" in Syria because you have a shared interest in wiping out the "kurdish terrorists". The moment Trump gave you a chance, you took it and nothing more happened.

In Azerbaijan of course France will side with Russia against Turkey and Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan invaded the the area with specific intent of wiping out the Armenian population in the area. Literally shooting ballistic missiles at civilian settlements. Do you HONESTLY expect France, a member of the European Union, to support a literal genocide effort?

There is a difference between being cowardly, and trying to maintain peace. The EU is filled with countries that have had their fill for war, some of the most destructive wars in human history, including World War 2. They are tired of war. But don't mistake trying to keep the peace as cowardice. If Russia were to hypothetically go nuts and invade, ALL EU member states will go fight alongside NATO. We just don't want unnecessary wars wasting our time and money. Unlike Turkey apparently.

Is Turkey powerful? Yeah. But is it acting like a power for good right now? From the EU perspective, not at all.
Your post is purely one sided view. Turkey launched its operations in Northern Syria because of imminent danger for terrorist attacks by the YPG. Before the Turkish Armed Forces launched the operations there were deadly rocket attacks and tunnel networks from Northern Syria were used in transfer of manpower and logistics to PKK when in 2015/2016 PKK started its operations in the cities.

In the case of Azerbaijan it just recaptured its lands from an occupier. According to UNSC resolutions Armenia had to pull back its forces long ago but instead they just stayed there and started settling mainland Armenians in Karabakh. In a country of near 10 million in Azerbaijan 1 million and 200.000 people are refugees who were living in Karabakh pre-occupation. Ballistic missiles were fired on militarily important targets like bridges and police HQs. We saw very clearly the damage Armenian ballistic missiles done in the city of Ganja and saw footage of Scud and Iskender missiles fired towards Azerbaijan. Footages from both sides pointed atrocities on the ground committed by soldiers. Azerbaijan launched investigation for war crimes committed by its soldiers. Did the Armenian side launched such? I can show you tens of videos of Armenian soldier's atrocities if you have the gut to watch.

All of the military interventions Turkey launched were needed and the problem in you people living in the West is that you care only about your security concerns without thinking about other countries. Mazlum Abdi of YPG is a PKK terrorist. YPG is clearly the Syrian wing of PKK even certain US officials said so. Instead of cooperating with its NATO ally the US instead cooperated with a terrorist organization which spilled blood of Turkish security personnel and civilians with US supplied arms in 2015/2016 on Turkish territory.
So? Does that mean Kurds that live outside of Turkey deserve to be massacred wholesale like the guy I replied to said?

Why am I not on those threads? Simple, I'm from Indonesia and I live in Germany. So I have no interest of going to those threads. I go to the US thread because I see it as something that is important and of interest for me because like it or not, the US affects the lives of people on every country.
The reply of that guy is not the popular opinion of Turks. Another big mistake that you people living in the West are doing is the lack of understanding of the whole Turkish-Kurdish situation and also the lack of understanding that PKK is not representing the Kurds just as ISIS is not representing the Muslims. In the Turkish security forces there are many Kurds on active duty fighting PKK. Turkey also have many politicians including ministers and other important posts occupied by Kurds. The military operations of the Turkish Armed Forces are not aimed at the Kurds but at terrorist organizations which doesn't have any ethnicity or religion. Turks and Kurds are brothers and everybody that tries to stand between our brotherhood will face consequences whatever its name or location.
Probably check your sources:

PKK is heavily monitored in Germany by the german intelligence service. Officially they are banned in Germany. They adherents are free to do peaceful stuff, just like turks are free to do peaceful stuff in Germany. Doesn't mean the are free to do whatever they want. Germany just doesn't imprison people left and right just because they might be affiliated with PKK or any other banned organizations. Don't spread lies, thanks.
This is absolutely non-effective approach at combating terrorism. I am suggesting you reading the annual reports of EUROPOL regarding PKK terrorist organization's activities including organized crime networks and see that the countries in EU are with tied hands behind their back. They can't do nothing or don't want to do nothing about the eradication of these networks which also are responsible for recruiting of mountain cadres to fight in Northern Iraq.
So, does it make it right to shoot at civilian settlements?

The mayor of Baku, Hajibala Abutalybov during at a meeting with a municipal delegation from Bavaria, Germany literally said: "Our goal is the complete elimination of Armenians. You, Nazis, already eliminated the Jews in the 1930s and 40s, right? You should be able to understand us." He then became deputy prime minister of Azerbaijan from 2018 to October 2019. You still saying they don't want to genocide the Armenians, at the very least in the region?


Uhuh... You let them live as long as they bow to you.
I will respond to these accusations with the words of the ex-President of Armenia Serj Sarkisyan revealed by Thomas de Waal in one of his works as prominent expert on the Nagorno Karabakh issue: "Before Khojaly, Azerbaijanis thought we were joking, they thought that Armenians would not raise their hands against the civilian population. We managed to break this and that's the thing. At the same time, we must understand that among those young men there were also those who fled from Baku and Sumgait."

In the Khojaly massacre 613 Azerbaijanis were massacred according to Azerbaijani sources including men, women and children when their "humanitarian corridor" which they had to use for evacuation was cut off by Armenian military and para-military organizations.

Should we conclude that this is the Armenian State policy?
 

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Armenians used ballistic missiles and rain them upon civilians. Look up greater armenia if you are crying about azerbaijanis and their genocidal intentions the armenians have genocidal intentions they believe land in Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia belongs to them and the people who live there either have to be deported or exterminated.

Pfft wikipedia 🤣🤣🤣

Also Karabag is Azerbaijani go cry over it. The Azerbaijani flag now waves in the city of shusha.
You are the one calling France cowards for not joining you in trying to genocide the armenians in Karabagh and the entire mess in the region. France is taking side with Armenia because they are the ones currently at risk of getting massacred. If Armenia were to invade Azerbaijan or Turkey, there is ZERO chance France or anyone in the EU would help them. We don't support genocidal actions. End of.

Wikipedia at least has legit sources and anyone with sources can fix the accuracy of the statements there. Better than you trusting blindly anything Turkish media puts out as long as it's pro-Turkey.
 

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You are the one calling France cowards for not joining you in trying to genocide the armenians in Karabagh and the entire mess in the region. France is taking side with Armenia because they are the ones currently at risk of getting massacred. If Armenia were to invade Azerbaijan or Turkey, there is ZERO chance France or anyone in the EU would help them. We don't support genocidal actions. End of.

Wikipedia at least has legit sources and anyone with sources can fix the accuracy of the statements there. Better than you trusting blindly anything Turkish media puts out as long as it's pro-Turkey.

Azerbaijan got its land back and we helped them.

Only thing you and your cohorts can do about it is crying about muh genocide.
 

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Let's be honest, you helped "fight the Russians" in Syria because you have a shared interest in wiping out the "kurdish terrorists". The moment Trump gave you a chance, you took it and nothing more happened.

In Azerbaijan of course France will side with Russia against Turkey and Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan invaded the the area with specific intent of wiping out the Armenian population in the area. Literally shooting ballistic missiles at civilian settlements. Do you HONESTLY expect France, a member of the European Union, to support a literal genocide effort?

There is a difference between being cowardly, and trying to maintain peace. The EU is filled with countries that have had their fill for war, some of the most destructive wars in human history, including World War 2. They are tired of war. But don't mistake trying to keep the peace as cowardice. If Russia were to hypothetically go nuts and invade, ALL EU member states will go fight alongside NATO. We just don't want unnecessary wars wasting our time and money. Unlike Turkey apparently.

Is Turkey powerful? Yeah. But is it acting like a power for good right now? From the EU perspective, not at all.
Are you 100 % sure about this russia thing, i can tell at least 2 members would not move a finger in that scenario..

Anyway, despite what is obvius i hope Biden will be pragmatic as usa needs all allies now to contest china, it would be to much even for usa to disregard country like turkey from calculations
 

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