Turkish Military Stance in Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean

[Sanchez]

451 som is nothing in real combat, russians also had large quantities we saw what happened.

Eh, Greeks thought 90 Scalps they had would be more than enough for a crippling blow to Turkey for over 20 years. ALCMs are are highly advanced, highly capable and very expensive missiles and presumably with lower than average shelf life. If a big purchase is made, that would mean we are on war footing.

 

[BaburKhan]

It will be a Solution to develop ALBM based on TRG-300 Kasirga, they are cheaper than ALCM and can aquired in lare Numbers than SOM. Like the Rampage.

 

[BaburKhan]

EU approves security policy for rapid reaction force​

03/21/2022March 21, 2022
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has expedited the "Strategic Compass" security strategy, which allows the European Union to form a rapid reaction force. Germany has offered to provide the "military core."

EU defense and foreign ministers on Monday adopted a new security strategy, known as "Strategic Compass."

As part of the new strategy, the European Union will create a force of as many as 5,000 troops, an overhaul of the EU battlegroups that have existed only on paper since 2007.

The joint response forces are to be operational by 2025.

EU approves security policy for rapid reaction force – DW – 03/21/2022

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has expedited the "Strategic Compass" security strategy, which allows the European Union to form a rapid reaction force. Germany has offered to provide the "military core."

www.dw.com

We discussed in the Turkish Air Force Thread about the Matter of EU mutual Defence. Here we can Discuss further about Implications on Turkey. According to this Article a joint response Force should stand in 2025.

 

[TR_123456]

EU approves security policy for rapid reaction force – DW – 03/21/2022

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has expedited the "Strategic Compass" security strategy, which allows the European Union to form a rapid reaction force. Germany has offered to provide the "military core."

www.dw.com

We discussed in the Turkish Air Force Thread about the Matter of EU mutual Defence. Here we can Discuss further about Implications on Turkey. According to this Article a joint response Force should stand in 2025.

The problem with this 'force' is that it will never be united against our country.
For instance,Germany,the Netherlands,Belgium,Hungary,Romania,Bulgaria and some others wouldnt even dream of sending their soldiers against us,they know the consequences.

 

[BaburKhan]

The problem with this 'force' is that it will never be united against our country.
For instance,Germany,the Netherlands,Belgium,Hungary,Romania,Bulgaria and some others wouldnt even dream of sending their soldiers against us,they know the consequences.

You mean they fear for Civil War ? Likely possible, I expect the Situation could be far more worst than it is with with the Protest for Gaza now.

 

[Huelague]

Eh, Greeks thought 90 Scalps they had would be more than enough for a crippling blow to Turkey for over 20 years. ALCMs are are highly advanced, highly capable and very expensive missiles and presumably with lower than average shelf life. If a big purchase is made, that would mean we are on war footing.

And you think all of them will destroy the targets successfully?

 

[Huelague]

The problem with this 'force' is that it will never be united against our country.
For instance,Germany,the Netherlands,Belgium,Hungary,Romania,Bulgaria and some others wouldnt even dream of sending their soldiers against us,they know the consequences.

5 mio Turks only in Germany. We would burn Germany to the core.

 

[BaburKhan]

And you think all of them will destroy the targets successfully?

More difficult as far the turkish Air Defence improve that all SCALP will hit their Targets Successfully.

 

[TR_123456]

5 mio Turks only in Germany. We would burn Germany to the core.

We only need 999 more psycho's.

 

[BaburKhan]

The problem with this 'force' is that it will never be united against our country.
For instance,Germany,the Netherlands,Belgium,Hungary,Romania,Bulgaria and some others wouldnt even dream of sending their soldiers against us,they know the consequences.

Even without this called States, it seems to be possible that some EU States can Act under a Coalition of the Willing. This wouldn't be a full fledget EU Response, but will already make the military Situation for Turkey far more difficult.

Here an Aticle in German about Article 44: https://www.reservistenverband.de/magazin-die-reserve/gastbeitrag-rapid-deployment-capacity/

COULD EU-ENDORSED 'COALITIONS OF THE WILLING' STRENGTHEN EU SECURITY POLICY? Insight Luigi Scazzieri 09 February 2022 Download PDF The EU could be a more effective security provider if it mandated operations by coalitions of willing member-states, but that requires consensus. The next best thing is to support ad-hoc groupings outside the EU framework. The EU’s foreign and security policy has always been hamstrung by the need for consensus between the member-states, and their frequent disagreements on what to do. This phenomenon is most visible in security policy and especially the use of military force. The Union has had military units made up of different member-states’ troops, the so-called ‘battlegroups’, on standby since 2007. However, they have never been used, as member-states have never agreed to deploy them. And, while the EU has launched more than three dozen operations within the framework of its Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP), these have overwhelmingly focused on tasks like providing military training, conflict prevention, or post-conflict stabilisation – not on combat operations.

 

[TR_123456]

Even without this called States, it seems to be possible that some EU States can Act under a Coalition of the Willing. This wouldn't be a full fledget EU Response, but will already make the military Situation for Turkey far more difficult.

Here an Aticle in German about Article 44: https://www.reservistenverband.de/magazin-die-reserve/gastbeitrag-rapid-deployment-capacity/

COULD EU-ENDORSED 'COALITIONS OF THE WILLING' STRENGTHEN EU SECURITY POLICY? Insight Luigi Scazzieri 09 February 2022 Download PDF The EU could be a more effective security provider if it mandated operations by coalitions of willing member-states, but that requires consensus. The next best thing is to support ad-hoc groupings outside the EU framework. The EU’s foreign and security policy has always been hamstrung by the need for consensus between the member-states, and their frequent disagreements on what to do. This phenomenon is most visible in security policy and especially the use of military force. The Union has had military units made up of different member-states’ troops, the so-called ‘battlegroups’, on standby since 2007. However, they have never been used, as member-states have never agreed to deploy them. And, while the EU has launched more than three dozen operations within the framework of its Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP), these have overwhelmingly focused on tasks like providing military training, conflict prevention, or post-conflict stabilisation – not on combat operations.

They will never be used,cant be used for combat operations against another country.
Its not that easy when there is no unity,Europe is not united and never will be.
Dont forget there is a veto right,just like in the UN,also worthless as a united entity.
Take a look at Gaza,Israel does what it wants and nothing anyone can or will do.
Btw,the days of making it difficult militarily for our country are over.
Libya,Syria,Iraq,Karabag,Somalia are deterence enough.
There are only a few countries able to have such a reach(US,Russia,China).
You think a battlegroup of lets say 50k EU soldiers can accomplish anything against us?
Every European navy coming near our territory will be obliterated by all means.
Just relax,you are taking this way to serious,the EU as a military power doesnt exist.

 

[BaburKhan]

The problem with this 'force' is that it will never be united against our country.
For instance,Germany,the Netherlands,Belgium,Hungary,Romania,Bulgaria and some others wouldnt even dream of sending their soldiers against us,they know the consequences.

Even when they lack the Unity, the Ideas are in the Mind of the Politicans and they speak it out openly. The following Words were coming from an german Politican, he wanted with EU Troops to establish a so called "Safe Zone" for YPG in northern Syria as Reaction of a Military Intervention by Turkey.

I not say EU will go to War with Turkey, but Turkey need to be prepared if the circumstances change.

Dem CDU-Außenpolitiker Roderich Kiesewetter schwebt eher ein präventives Eingreifen Europas "mit flankierenden militärischen Mitteln" vor. "Eine von der EU mitaufgebaute Schutz- und Überwachungszone in Nordsyrien sowie an der Grenze zum Libanon ist ein mögliches Szenario, wozu die Staaten der EU die notwendigen Fähigkeiten bereitstellen müssen, um den Friedensprozess künftig absichern zu können", sagt Kiesewetter.

Syrien: Deutsche Reaktionen auf Türkei-Offensive

Ärger über die verhaltenen Reaktionen Europas auf den türkischen Einmarsch in Nordsyrien äußern selbst Vertreter der Großen Koalition. Sie fürchten, dass Deutschland seinen Einfluss auf die Region völlig verliert.

www.spiegel.de

 

[TR_123456]

Even when they lack the Unity, the Ideas are in the Mind of the Politicans and they speak it out openly. The following Words were coming from an german Politican, he wanted with EU Troops to establish a so called "Safe Zone" for YPG in northern Syria as Reaction of a Military Intervention by Turkey.

I not say EU will go to War with Turkey, but Turkey need to be prepared if the circumstances change.

Syrien: Deutsche Reaktionen auf Türkei-Offensive

Ärger über die verhaltenen Reaktionen Europas auf den türkischen Einmarsch in Nordsyrien äußern selbst Vertreter der Großen Koalition. Sie fürchten, dass Deutschland seinen Einfluss auf die Region völlig verliert.

www.spiegel.de

Yeah,thats never going to happen,we will not allow such a move,just a pipedream.
Möchte,wollte,sollte,hätte sind alles Hollywood fantasien.
Why do you think we are not ready?

 

[BaburKhan]

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Yeah,thats never going to happen,we will not allow such a move,just a pipedream.
Möchte,wollte,sollte,hätte sind alles Hollywood fantasien.
Why do you think we are not ready?

I think Turkey will be ready for this Kind of Scenario. If they would try it with northern Syria, they would come under massive MLRS and Stand Off Weapon Fire. They would need Cyprus as an logistic Hub, which mean Cyprus will become a legitamate Target.

In my view it's neccasarry to pay attention to the matter of EU Army and mutual Defence to be prepared, if one Time mechanism established we are capable to prevent any move who Threaten Turkey.

To be prepared means to establish a LR Strike Capabillity 1000 km +, AA/AD Capabillities in the Air and Sea. When it become neccasarry a Capable Nuclear Industry for an Option to built an nuclear Triade.

 

[Quasar]

At lease we know that there will be a proper naval base in Magosa and we already have 40.000 personnel and around 100 tanks and a drone base. Logic dictaes that we are/ we have to and we will keep such a force well protected and up to date with the best of our military industry offers.

 

[fushkee]

When that day comes, of course Türkiye will not be alone.

 

[BaburKhan]

South Cyprus will buy an Air Defence System which will be more capable than Iron Dome

Greek Cyprus Bypass Iron Dome for Air Defence | TURDEF

Greek Cyprus stated that a new air defence system would be announced in 2024, which would be more powerful than Israel’s Iron Dome.

www.turdef.com

 

[uçuyorum]

On related news I see a lot of people on twitter talk about increasing and perhaps imminent risk of fait accompli by greece on 12 miles issue backed by US and its really wrecking my nerves

 

[BaburKhan]

https://x.com/er_tugay_/status/1749121101882360306?t=edApwCQD_VULDlsvmaTUjA&s=09

 

[BaburKhan]

Not yet, nukes are after we find the big oil and gas.

Maybe we find Tomorow big Ammounts of Hydrocarbons in the Eastern Mediterranean in our EEZ, or in the Waters arround TRNC.

Do you think there can be likely hot Conflict with the EU or US ?