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FAC55 front look
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TS-1700 submarine
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@Cabatli_53 where are these models came from ? Also do you know how many missiles will be loaded in Milden sub ?
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Check STM webpage bro. The details about Milden isn’t known yet.
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Milden will be in mutiple versions at leat 3 versions ,I hope navy asks for VLS aslo
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It's a really well made, thanks for sharing.
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Interesting frigate design with 16 VLS cells in the aft.
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Technology/modular payload demonstration. Or maybe MLU of a foreigner OPV/Corvette.00:55
What is more interesting than the design itself, there is a 3 tube launcher falling next to the 2 * 4 SSM, directed towards back and rectangle cross sectioned , and my guess is ALPAGU block II or maybe upgraded variant. Also might be TRLG-230, given the aspect ratio of the tubes.
A little assessment from me about our future Submarine projects.
Bro Milden and Ts-1700 is a diffrent projects.
Ts-1700 :
Ts-1700 is a simple Turkish Type-214. Same class But local made one. Last time I remembered we are producing our type-214's %80 local made. Behind the idea of stm ts-1700 gaining itar free producing and exporting advanced aip subs.
Makeing Type-214 like sub is not a poor thing. Type 214 can easily reach usa and return without any additional supply just in 25 days for arrive and 25 days for return. Also with help of his aip capability he can pass all mediterranien underwater without snorkeling. So they need just 3 times surfaceing for reaching usa and most of hims in ocean. Also with help of his electric engines it's hard to find when compared to ssbn or ssn's. Also he have a 3 months endurance on waters.
On the other hand ts-1700's will have integraded two type torpedo countermeasures who named zargana and also integrated anti torpedo torpedo tork. By the way he can be carry 8x torpedo + 8x (atmaca ssm or land attack, gezgin, idas) when compared type 209's 8x torpedo + 4x (atmaca ssm or land attack, gezgin) capabilities.
And last one thing. Currently our old type 209 subs will sail generally 40 around crew. But this new subs (type 214/ ts-1700) more advanced more autonoums so they need less crew like 22 aroun almost 3/2. So thats when a merge with new advanced small sized subsytems behalf of old bigger ones , that will gives to crew more live space , and 1 bed for 1 crew and last one more shower and wc for per crew.
Look our most modern type 209 subs , pipes, valves indicator everywhere + very tight holes and rooms + 2 restroom + 1 bathroom for 40 crew.
And thats the 10 years old portugal type-214 al the way better inside than type-209's
Milden:
Milden is a diffrent story. We are work on concept todays. Currently we know Milden 2017 concept. But I believe with my all heart that specs will change. Just because thats sub designed for the min 2013-2015 perspecteive but many things will changed in 5-7 years and more than will change until first milden be operational.
But if we evaluate milden-2017 concept, we are see x rudder diffrent nose any many conceptual diffrences when compared Ts-1700/Type-214. I liked him, Currently in this design doesnt see vls for ssm and cruise missile. Looks like Milden-2017 will use torpedo tube launched missiles like a olds.
Bigger diffrences of milden-2017 on the performance. I'm not waiting increaseing the range, Just because 19000 km around is a standart for aip. Yeah shortfin barracuda have more range than but that is the diffrent story. So generally all new aip subs dont want to increase range they are generally want a max speed for a 19000 km max range. I mean main diffrences of milden and ts-1700 one of them will reach 19000 km with 4-6 knot other one ise 8-10 knot. And also one of them must need snorkeling every 2500 km other one 5000 km around. Just because thats related its size whit help of his extra 10 meter lenght they will have more bigger power puck and also bigger or more numbered aip modules . And also Milden will be have more torpedo and missile storage thand type-214 and ts-1700 +4 torpedo and missile I'm think. (total 20 )
That's the specs of three concept ;
I dont know we are make a Ts-1700 for us but looks like we will produce 6x milden also we will have 6x type 214. İn a 1 year ago I heard many rumors about we will not decommision any subs behalf of type 209 for enlargement of fleet and for a east-med politics. And I hope we are enlarge our fleet size to 18 . 6x Milden Long range Nuclear Cruise Missile Strike Aip + 6x Type 2014 Fleet Strike Aip and 6x Ts-1700 Fleet Strike Aip. I think we will produce 6x ts-1700 2018-2023.
But like I say before Milden design and specs will change. Just because if you need a 166 metered 7000+ (min 10000 tonnes for me) Heavy Destroyer/Small Cruiser Tf-2000 , also we work on gezgin kind nuclear, bio, chemical warhead capable cruise missile also regional gps, mrbm-icbm's and his subsystems, slv's and also aircraft carriers Milden 2017 doesnt efficent for escorting that kind of naval groups and carrying that kind of naval weaponary in longer ranges.
I'm not meaning we will make a ssbn's but 'm waiting to mildens design will increase the lenght + add a vls + 20 knot-19000 km range capacity and 4 months endurance like a Long range aips like type 216's , Shortfin Barracuda, A-26 Ocean Er etc.
Hdw Type 216 ;
Shortfin Barracuda ;
A-26 Ocean ER
Bro Milden and Ts-1700 is a diffrent projects.
Ts-1700 :
Ts-1700 is a simple Turkish Type-214. Same class But local made one. Last time I remembered we are producing our type-214's %80 local made. Behind the idea of stm ts-1700 gaining itar free producing and exporting advanced aip subs.
Makeing Type-214 like sub is not a poor thing. Type 214 can easily reach usa and return without any additional supply just in 25 days for arrive and 25 days for return. Also with help of his aip capability he can pass all mediterranien underwater without snorkeling. So they need just 3 times surfaceing for reaching usa and most of hims in ocean. Also with help of his electric engines it's hard to find when compared to ssbn or ssn's. Also he have a 3 months endurance on waters.
On the other hand ts-1700's will have integraded two type torpedo countermeasures who named zargana and also integrated anti torpedo torpedo tork. By the way he can be carry 8x torpedo + 8x (atmaca ssm or land attack, gezgin, idas) when compared type 209's 8x torpedo + 4x (atmaca ssm or land attack, gezgin) capabilities.
And last one thing. Currently our old type 209 subs will sail generally 40 around crew. But this new subs (type 214/ ts-1700) more advanced more autonoums so they need less crew like 22 aroun almost 3/2. So thats when a merge with new advanced small sized subsytems behalf of old bigger ones , that will gives to crew more live space , and 1 bed for 1 crew and last one more shower and wc for per crew.
Look our most modern type 209 subs , pipes, valves indicator everywhere + very tight holes and rooms + 2 restroom + 1 bathroom for 40 crew.
And thats the 10 years old portugal type-214 al the way better inside than type-209's
Milden:
Milden is a diffrent story. We are work on concept todays. Currently we know Milden 2017 concept. But I believe with my all heart that specs will change. Just because thats sub designed for the min 2013-2015 perspecteive but many things will changed in 5-7 years and more than will change until first milden be operational.
But if we evaluate milden-2017 concept, we are see x rudder diffrent nose any many conceptual diffrences when compared Ts-1700/Type-214. I liked him, Currently in this design doesnt see vls for ssm and cruise missile. Looks like Milden-2017 will use torpedo tube launched missiles like a olds.
Bigger diffrences of milden-2017 on the performance. I'm not waiting increaseing the range, Just because 19000 km around is a standart for aip. Yeah shortfin barracuda have more range than but that is the diffrent story. So generally all new aip subs dont want to increase range they are generally want a max speed for a 19000 km max range. I mean main diffrences of milden and ts-1700 one of them will reach 19000 km with 4-6 knot other one ise 8-10 knot. And also one of them must need snorkeling every 2500 km other one 5000 km around. Just because thats related its size whit help of his extra 10 meter lenght they will have more bigger power puck and also bigger or more numbered aip modules . And also Milden will be have more torpedo and missile storage thand type-214 and ts-1700 +4 torpedo and missile I'm think. (total 20 )
That's the specs of three concept ;
I dont know we are make a Ts-1700 for us but looks like we will produce 6x milden also we will have 6x type 214. İn a 1 year ago I heard many rumors about we will not decommision any subs behalf of type 209 for enlargement of fleet and for a east-med politics. And I hope we are enlarge our fleet size to 18 . 6x Milden Long range Nuclear Cruise Missile Strike Aip + 6x Type 2014 Fleet Strike Aip and 6x Ts-1700 Fleet Strike Aip. I think we will produce 6x ts-1700 2018-2023.
But like I say before Milden design and specs will change. Just because if you need a 166 metered 7000+ (min 10000 tonnes for me) Heavy Destroyer/Small Cruiser Tf-2000 , also we work on gezgin kind nuclear, bio, chemical warhead capable cruise missile also regional gps, mrbm-icbm's and his subsystems, slv's and also aircraft carriers Milden 2017 doesnt efficent for escorting that kind of naval groups and carrying that kind of naval weaponary in longer ranges.
I'm not meaning we will make a ssbn's but 'm waiting to mildens design will increase the lenght + add a vls + 20 knot-19000 km range capacity and 4 months endurance like a Long range aips like type 216's , Shortfin Barracuda, A-26 Ocean Er etc.
Hdw Type 216 ;
Shortfin Barracuda ;
A-26 Ocean ER
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Or the Milden gets nuclear propulsion.
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I agree to you bro.
Actually Shortfin Barracuda reach the nuclear class sub specs with aip tech . They are designed 33.000 km ranged with 10 knot aip speed. Big propably his range with 20 knot around 15-16.000 km and thats very enough to go around the enywhere of the world and they can make a nuclear cruise missile strike. Also they can do it him with standart nuclear sub submerged speed class 20 kt. Also they have capability of 8x torpedo and 20x sub-missile capability. Most of ssbn's carry less slbm than that.
And also nuclear warheads on nuclear cruise missiles ( 150 kt for tomahawk and 200 kt for popeye turbo) doesnt less. Almost 10 times more that hiroshima and nagazaki. Also aips are very silent when compared ssbn's.
Yes ssbn's have balistic missile advantage. Balistic missiles are very faster and have more bigger nuclear warhead. But you know cruise missiles are very stealth when reaching target. One of him uses speed other one low flight ceeling and moving for succesfull hit. For about warhead, thats a nuclear bro even 1 kt is important. That's just a threat weapons. 200 kt warhead for enough everything.
Key importance is firing land attack version of (without radar seekered version) sub-atmaca from type 209's. That will give us non nuclear second strike capability againts enemy ports, coastal cities french like countries. Second one is firing gezgins with nbc warhead capability from type-209's and also type-214.
For 6 Type 214 with sub-cruise capability in 2028 is nothing bad. We can use Type-214 for long range strike and type 209's for fleet sub until milden.
But key point is firing cruise missiles from subs with diffrent warheads.
That is the key of independence.
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Not true, the most silent submarine is currently running on nuclear reactor.
R&D (except of the nuclear reactor) time and money spent on nuclear submarines are far greater than diesel-electrics submarines, which eventually reflects on overall noise. This even applies to pure electric drive mode of an SSK.
