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[Oublious]

Sub similar to TS1700 would not only give edge but would be quantum leap for Turkish Navy. Complete new page. Nationalization rate or tonnage doesn't have to be that high. TS1700 provides very good balance in underwater to land attack capabilities. Biggest advantage is national design. It would be ours unlike German export subs. Foreign intelligence would have to do work to gain info on the platforms. It will give us the surprise element.

Problem is you can not arm the subs more then 8 missiles or torpedo. Does it matter if the sub is bigger and more noise? should skip this and go for 3000+ ton subs...

 

[LegionnairE]

About the Barbaros Class MLU I'm skeptical about replacing the Sea Zenith. It's a good system. Phalanx could be added someplace else, as it's a standalone system. Also unsure about UMTAS.. why do we need it?

This is another reason for why I think we should have build more ada class corvettes, even if it's of an older design. I think having extra vessels for whatever would have been good and in worst case we could use them for educational and experimenting.

You know it was supposed to be... But RMK Marine won the tender and Erdogan decided to cancel the whole project.

 

[Anmdt]

There was 2 additional Ada-class option If I remember correctly still after the revision of Milgem phases. Navy most likely did not want it as they wanted to move with I-class. Delays for various reasons, embargoes, and later recent development in east-med raised need for it again, although late at this point. Would rather use the resources for sub-class designed with VLS or more advanced ships like ordering additional I-class.

There has never been such an option.
first batch was 8 hulls, 2 were manufactured and 6 were awarded with tender. Later tender was cancelled, TN reduced first batch to 4 and completed remaining 2 in naval shipyard.
Then they moved onto 2nd batch which is planned since the beginning: 4 I-Class.

 

[LegionnairE]

@Anmdt I think the initial plan was for the Ada class to replace all other corvettes in the inventory.

That 8 Adas would be enough and the older french stuff would be retired. Like the Tuzla Class replacing all the older patrol boats. Suffice to say, Turkish Navy would be much stronger right now. Unfortunately politics took precedence.



We REALLY need to retire these.

 

[Kartal1]

@Anmdt I think the initial plan was for the Ada class to replace all other corvettes in the inventory.

That 8 Adas would be enough and the older french stuff would be retired. Like the Tuzla Class replacing all the older patrol boats. Suffice to say, Turkish Navy would be much stronger right now. Unfortunately politics took precedence.

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We REALLY need to retire these.

Welcome aboard by the way

 

[Turko]

@Anmdt I think the initial plan was for the Ada class to replace all other corvettes in the inventory.

That 8 Adas would be enough and the older french stuff would be retired. Like the Tuzla Class replacing all the older patrol boats. Suffice to say, Turkish Navy would be much stronger right now. Unfortunately politics took precedence.

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We REALLY need to retire these.

Hi there. Where have you been? People here were suffered to invite you.

 

[LegionnairE]

Welcome aboard by the way

Thank you

Hi there. Where have you been? People here were suffered to invite you.

Actually I didn't even know that this forum existed until recently when Bordo Enes contacted me on a different forum. I feel touched that people here missed me. It's good to be finally here.

Sorry for making you guys wait.

By the way holy shit man that's a funny avatar you have there

 

[Test7]

Thank you

Actually I didn't even know that this forum existed until recently when Bordo Enes contacted me on a different forum. I feel touched that people here missed me. It's good to be finally here.

Sorry for making you guys wait.

By the way holy shit man that's a funny avatar you have there

You didn't even know that this forum existed? DefenceHub was even published on Forbes Btw welcome.

 

[LegionnairE]

You didn't even know that this forum existed? DefenceHub was even published on Forbes Btw welcome.

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Yeah I think I heard about it when it just began... But I was preoccupied with something else.. I don't know. Completely forgot...

But now that I'm here. I think I like it It's civilized

 

[LegionnairE]

These ships will be the most effective and modern ships of the fleet after their modernisation are completed . Originally programmed for February 2021 for the first ship’s delivery and postponed due to intensified activity in the Eastern Med; They are also the fastest ships in the fleet.

Barbaros Sınıfı Fırkateyn Yarı Ömür Modernizasyonu Projesi Üzerine Notlar

Uzun bir süredir devam eden Barbaros Sınıfı Fırkateyn Yarı Ömür Modernizasyonu Projesi ile Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı envanterinde kayıtlı 4 adet

www.defenceturk.net

According to what it will have in this project; The radar systems, dual CIWS systems (both Gokdeniz and Phalanx ) , B-Sys (a derivative of GENESIS) being the new brains of the ship, New fire control systems for the 127mm gun and the CIWS systems, more emphasis on Electronic Warfare orientated armaments, possible Umtas/L-Umtas or new longer range Missile launchers for asymmetric warfare will all be incorporated in to the project.
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Am I the only one who finds this disappointing? We didn't need Gökdeniz or Phalanx... We could keep the Sea Zenith and add RAM wouldn't that be much better?

 

[Lool]

Yeah I think I heard about it when it just began... But I was preoccupied with something else.. I don't know. Completely forgot...

But now that I'm here. I think I like it It's civilized

Nice to have a new member in this community; hope you enjoy your stay
The more the better!
The people here are friendly so you can express your thoughts without care
Just an advice..... if u wanna keep these civilized conversations dont enter the turkish politics thread when it gets too heated up; a lot of ppl get emotional there..... including me.... lool

Anyway nice to meet a new member!

 

[Turko]

Am I the only one who finds this disappointing? We didn't need Gökdeniz or Phalanx... We could keep the Sea Zenith and add RAM wouldn't that be much better?

Sea Zenith isnt close as same as Gökdeniz or Phalanx.

Sea Zenith is disaster

Phalanx Gatling gun thanks to high rate of fire ((4,500 rounds/minute (75 rounds/second)) creates a barrage.

Gökdeniz thanks to smart ammunition creates a wall from tungsten .

But i agree with you we also need RAM.
Gürcan Okumuş stated soon we will see it which is derived from Bozdoğan's.

Unfortunately you are late. You didn't hear my new projects.

1.CIWS made from 20mm Gatling gun and 6 RAM missiles.( Also we could apply on Gökdeniz)

2. Umkhonto VLS style concenteric canister launchers with Hisar A+ for SHORAD. Old Gabya, Barbaros , Tuzla Classes could enjoy IIR HisarA+ with 20km range and 8000km altitude.

VLSs are totally expensive and they need large spaces while Umkhonto single cell VLS which is cheap can be fit anywhere you want.

Naval VLS solutions

DCNS Sylver Vertical Launching System (VLS) The Sylver (SYstème de Lancement VERtical) is a vertical launching system (VLS) designed by DCNS. The launcher comes in several variants, each distinguished by their height. A-35 and A-43 were developed for launching short range surface-to-air...

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Post in thread 'Turkish Navy Conceptual & Technology Demonstration Designs' https://defencehub.live/threads/tur...chnology-demonstration-designs.111/post-89709

 

[Yasar_TR]

Am I the only one who finds this disappointing? We didn't need Gökdeniz or Phalanx... We could keep the Sea Zenith and add RAM wouldn't that be much better?

Why get a car that “drives like Mercedes” when you can get the real Mc Coy.
As @UkroTurk 🚬 has mentioned both Phalanx and Gokdeniz are superior to Sea Zenith, which is much slower and 1980’s technology.
RAM or a good 1 to10+km range 2+Mach missile that can operate like a RAM, is also essential. I agree with you. Either a Sungur system with 10+ km range or a new Bozdogan based system. It needn’t be a “Rolling” missile. I would prefer a Sungur based one as it would be cheaper. An individual RAM costs as much as an ESSM. Bozdogan is not cheap either. For a country with limited financial resources, if you are going to invest in easily expendable missiles, cheaper is better.

 

[Hexciter]

Why get a car that “drives like Mercedes” when you can get the real Mc Coy.
As @UkroTurk 🚬 has mentioned both Phalanx and Gokdeniz are superior to Sea Zenith, which is much slower and 1980’s technology.
RAM or a good 1 to10+km range 2+Mach missile that can operate like a RAM, is also essential. I agree with you. Either a Sungur system with 10+ km range or a new Bozdogan based system. It needn’t be a “Rolling” missile. I would prefer a Sungur based one as it would be cheaper. An individual RAM costs as much as an ESSM. Bozdogan is not cheap either. For a country with limited financial resources, if you are going to invest in easily expendable missiles, cheaper is better.

Do you think that 1 kg warhead of Sungur is sufficient enough? I don’t think so. The most probably Sapan will enter into the game here.

 

[LegionnairE]

Guys, I am not saying that Gökdeniz or Phalanx are bad or Sea Zenith is better.

in the stern we had two Sea Zeniths and we're replacing them with a single Phalanx. Instead we could add a Mk 49 on top of the hangar where the phalanx is now and keep the Sea Zeniths on the sides.

I think it would be money much better spent. It would be the best protected MEKO in the world. And the best protected ship in Turkish Navy.

Ada class:

 

[Turko]

Do you think that 1 kg warhead of Sungur is sufficient enough? I don’t think so. The most probably Sapan will enter into the game here.

Sungur is said to have heavier warhead like Mistral. It might be 3kg.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Do you think that 1 kg warhead of Sungur is sufficient enough? I don’t think so. The most probably Sapan will enter into the game here.

I think that the SUNGUR Missile, which I believe has a Mach 2.2+ speed, uses an "annular blast fragmentation" type warhead of at least 3kg like the Stinger. If developed as a block 2 version with higher altitude and longer range, it will be just what the doctor ordered.
In fact according to head of Roketsan it is already being considered as part of ship air defences.

Deniz platformlarına SUNGUR geliyor! | Savunma Sanayi

Roketsan Genel Müdürü İKİNCİ; Roketsan tarafından yerli imkanlarla geliştirilen SUNGUR Hava Savunma Füzesi’nin deniz platformlarında da kullanılacağını açıkladı

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[TheInsider]

Sungur is said to have heavier warhead like Mistral. It might be 3kg.

Sungur has a special warhead. Continues titanium rod warhead.

 

[Saithan]

Mizrak/umtas, cirit and sungur. As I see it these missiles seem to be sharing a lot commonalities. I read they can have up to 3kg warhead but range is up to 8 km.

I believe if we can achieve 12-18 km with current design and diameters it would be awesome, but I am not sure if we posses necessary knowledge or technology to schieve that. Boron based rocket fuel might be part of the solution.

 

[Spook]

You didn't even know that this forum existed? DefenceHub was even published on Forbes Btw welcome.

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Yo I would put Defencehub.live on the video thumbnail if its allowed