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[I_Love_F16]

Problem with TN is, TN has a ship it does not need or cant fully utilise that is TCG Anadolu maybe even TCG Bayraktar, TCG Sancaktar. it is purely a political project tbh, like all autocrats he likes big things, big bridge, big shopping malls, big mosques, big palace maybe he has a small dick idk... at this point navy does not have a single air defense destroyer it even does not have a really armed 4500-5000t multipurpose frigate the most capable we have 4x gabya class and modernized meko track2s the youngest is 27 they can barely handle themselves...

We did not need TCG Anadolu it is stupidly useless at this point wasted so much time too, it should have waited until we have first tf-2000 in the navy at least. We could have ordered 4-6x more ada-class, should of design a class between istif and tf-2000 shoulda focus on subsystems earlier like mildas, hisar quad pack, cenk-s...
It is better to sell the tcg anadolu then buying type 23's really. We should sell the anadolu to Egypt )) They are buying anything anyways i don't think they know what they are doing not gonna be threat to us anyway...

Exactly. It doesn’t make sense to introduce a ship that is not really needed at the moment. Especially when you don’t even have the means to protect it against air threats. It would be more logical to introduce TF-2000’s first and then the Anadolu. But they’re doing things backwards.

 

[Zafer]

Problem with TN is, TN has a ship it does not need or cant fully utilise that is TCG Anadolu maybe even TCG Bayraktar, TCG Sancaktar. it is purely a political project tbh, like all autocrats he likes big things, big bridge, big shopping malls, big mosques, big palace maybe he has a small dick idk... at this point navy does not have a single air defense destroyer it even does not have a really armed 4500-5000t multipurpose frigate the most capable we have 4x gabya class and modernized meko track2s the youngest is 27 they can barely handle themselves...

We did not need TCG Anadolu it is stupidly useless at this point wasted so much time too, it should have waited until we have first tf-2000 in the navy at least. We could have ordered 4-6x more ada-class, should of design a class between istif and tf-2000 shoulda focus on subsystems earlier like mildas, hisar quad pack, cenk-s...
It is better to sell the tcg anadolu then buying type 23's really. We should sell the anadolu to Egypt )) They are buying anything anyways i don't think they know what they are doing not gonna be threat to us anyway...

Yeah, let's disband the Turkish Navy then.

LHD Anadolu is a multipurpose ship and most of its assignments will not be against major powers.

 

[Chocopie]

Problem with TN is, TN has a ship it does not need or cant fully utilise that is TCG Anadolu maybe even TCG Bayraktar, TCG Sancaktar. it is purely a political project tbh, like all autocrats he likes big things, big bridge, big shopping malls, big mosques, big palace maybe he has a small dick idk... at this point navy does not have a single air defense destroyer it even does not have a really armed 4500-5000t multipurpose frigate the most capable we have 4x gabya class and modernized meko track2s the youngest is 27 they can barely handle themselves...

We did not need TCG Anadolu it is stupidly useless at this point wasted so much time too, it should have waited until we have first tf-2000 in the navy at least. We could have ordered 4-6x more ada-class, should of design a class between istif and tf-2000 shoulda focus on subsystems earlier like mildas, hisar quad pack, cenk-s...
It is better to sell the tcg anadolu then buying type 23's really. We should sell the anadolu to Egypt )) They are buying anything anyways i don't think they know what they are doing not gonna be threat to us anyway...

Never understood why Türkiye didn't build 5.000 tons multipurpose frigates and TF-2000 in the 2000s when relations were still "good" with US and Europe. Even without domestic radars, sonars, VLS, missiles, cannon, CIW, AShM etc. they could have subsequently replaced them in the decades afterwards.

Now Türkiye would have commissioned ships with trained crews as escorts for TCG Anadolu. An AAW destroyer like TF-2000 would be a beast on its own.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Problem with TN is, TN has a ship it does not need or cant fully utilise that is TCG Anadolu maybe even TCG Bayraktar, TCG Sancaktar. it is purely a political project tbh, like all autocrats he likes big things, big bridge, big shopping malls, big mosques, big palace maybe he has a small dick idk... at this point navy does not have a single air defense destroyer it even does not have a really armed 4500-5000t multipurpose frigate the most capable we have 4x gabya class and modernized meko track2s the youngest is 27 they can barely handle themselves...

We did not need TCG Anadolu it is stupidly useless at this point wasted so much time too, it should have waited until we have first tf-2000 in the navy at least. We could have ordered 4-6x more ada-class, should of design a class between istif and tf-2000 shoulda focus on subsystems earlier like mildas, hisar quad pack, cenk-s...
It is better to sell the tcg anadolu then buying type 23's really. We should sell the anadolu to Egypt )) They are buying anything anyways i don't think they know what they are doing not gonna be threat to us anyway...

If we had F-35s and Anadolu was operational, we would park it off the coast of Libya back when Hafthar was wilding. Don't get me wrong, the outcome would not be too different, but the coalition against us would not have the absurd dreams they have, and our job would probably be easier.

Our state's territorial integrity and vital interests are being threatened from 3 of the 5 UNSC members, one of which is the world's superpower. We have use for weapons of all kinds.

Anadolu will eventually be a good addition. Although I agree some budget allocation decisions and their timing seems a little fishy.

 

[Zafer]

It will fix a lot of our problems though. Lots of our problems with the naval acquirements are monetary at the moment. We don't have the necessary budget to order all the ships we need.

Like what, we are only attempting to build the first of TF2000 and that's the only finished design that we have at hand to move to production with. Only after we finish the first ship will we go ahead with following ships. Other developments are waiting for indigenous systems that will replace imported ones. Having money will not solve sanction problems. Government budget deficit is under 3%, how can you say there is no money.

There has been no mention of the year 2023 MoD budget in this forum but it tells a lot.

 

[No Name]

Problem with TN is, TN has a ship it does not need or cant fully utilise that is TCG Anadolu maybe even TCG Bayraktar, TCG Sancaktar. it is purely a political project tbh, like all autocrats he likes big things, big bridge, big shopping malls, big mosques, big palace maybe he has a small dick idk... at this point navy does not have a single air defense destroyer it even does not have a really armed 4500-5000t multipurpose frigate the most capable we have 4x gabya class and modernized meko track2s the youngest is 27 they can barely handle themselves...

We did not need TCG Anadolu it is stupidly useless at this point wasted so much time too, it should have waited until we have first tf-2000 in the navy at least. We could have ordered 4-6x more ada-class, should of design a class between istif and tf-2000 shoulda focus on subsystems earlier like mildas, hisar quad pack, cenk-s...
It is better to sell the tcg anadolu then buying type 23's really. We should sell the anadolu to Egypt )) They are buying anything anyways i don't think they know what they are doing not gonna be threat to us anyway...

it seems like you would rather turkey give up its ability to launch any type of amphibious assault operation in the Aegean sea.

 

[Fairon]

it seems like you would rather turkey give up its ability to launch any type of amphibious assault operation in the Aegean sea.

You can't launch an amphibious assault with Anadolu in the Aegean sea. She will be the first ship to go down. Even frigates are not favorable in there.(shallow sea, lots of islands in a narrow area) You need FAC's and landing crafts if you want that.(and now unmanned systems)

Anadolu is not build for the Aegean.

 

[No Name]

You can't launch an amphibious assault with Anadolu in the Aegean sea. She will be the first ship to go down. Even frigates are not favorable in there.(shallow sea, lots of islands in a narrow area) You need FAC's and landing crafts if you want that.(and now unmanned systems)

Anadolu is not build for the Aegean.

wouldn't that mean that most of the Turkish navy is pointless in the Aegean?

 

[Yasar_TR]

wouldn't that mean that most of the Turkish navy is pointless in the Aegean?

Not really. If used cleverly almost all our frigates would be useful. But Ada-Class Milgem ships (including I-Class) having a stealthy hull, are specially ideal for the Aegean. That goes for the Hisar Class OPVs as well since they are built with the same hull as the Ada-Class. FACs are the rulers there. But the Submarines are going to be the key; Particularly the STM-500.

 

[YeşilVatan]

wouldn't that mean that most of the Turkish navy is pointless in the Aegean?

Yes. Aegean Sea is a shallow body of water with islands everywhere. Big ships are not good in that environment.

But what Anadolu provides is the ability to strike from the Ionian Sea.

 

[Fairon]

wouldn't that mean that most of the Turkish navy is pointless in the Aegean?

We have 18 FAC's(9 modern and 9 modernized), 4 corvettes( considering Burak classes as OPV's), 12 submarines and lots of landing crafts. We can add MPA's and UAV's(both surveliance and strike) as well.

In addition to current equipment we are building shore batteries and developing unmanned systems.

Aegean is not the only important area for Turkish Navy so it is structered accordingly.

Anadolu not just build for increasing Turkish Navy capabilities but expanding the capabilities also.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Although classed as a shallow sea, the Aegean is not as shallow as one may think it is. It’s maximum depth is over 3600metres.
Many areas are over 500m even 1000m in depth.
Just check out the map below:

 

[TR_123456]

Independently of the MİLGEM program, an alternative warship program in the range of 4-5 thousand displacement could have been initiated by the private sector

Dearsan F-142 Frigate ?

GENERAL​

Length (Loa)	:	141.40 m
Beam	:	18.50 m
Draft	:	4.60 m
Displacement	:	5500 t
Max Speed	:	27+ kts
Endurance	:	90 Days
Range	:	5000 NM
Hull	:	Steel
Superstructure	:	Steel
Crew	:	188 People
Classification	:	Turkish Lloyd / IACS

WEAPONS​

• 1 x 76 mm. Leonardo Super Rapid Gun
• 2 x 35mm. Close in Weapon System (CIWS)
• 2 x 12.7mm. Stabilized Automatic Machine Gun
• 4 x 8 Surface to Air Missiles
• 2 x 8 Surface to Surface Missiles
• 2 x Torpedo Launching System

PROPULSION & ELECTRIC SYSTEM​

Main Engines	:	4 X Diesel Engine
Propulsion	:	2 x FCPP
Configuration	:	CODAD
Generator Set	:	4 X Diesel Generator
Gearbox	:	2x 2 In-1 Out Gearbox

PRIMARY MISSIONS​

• Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW)
• Anti-Surface Warfare (ASuW)
• Anti-Air Warfare (AAW)
• Electronic Warfare
• Surveillance, Reconnaissance
• Tactical Picture Assesment
• Helo Operations

SECONDARY MISSIONS​

• Intelligence Gathering
• Patrol / Escort
• Asymmetric Warfare
• Search and Rescue
• Gun Fire Support
• Defense Against Asymmetric Threats

Dearsan

www.dearsan.com

 

[babayetu]

I would like to make my aforementioned post about about TCG Anadolu being not needed or more accurately should not have been prioritized clarified. I constructed my argument on the basis of geopolitical risk of Turkish State. As i see there are 2 existential threats Turkey faces today and in the near future;

First one being kurdish separatism, PKK in Iraqi lands and de-facto PKK-affliated statelet next to our borders in Syria.
Second one being revisionist greek policies in Aegean and EastMed.

TCG Anadolu neither helps defeating YPG or PKK clearly so from my understanding she needs to give TN prominent advantages in a possible greco-turkish conflict.

TCG Anadolu was designed as an LHD being her main task is to carry out amphibious operations. In a conflict between Turkey & Greece it is clear that the geographical circumstances, this task is the most risky and the least lucrative option. Im pretty sure There are 999 other approaches in TN doctrine that could turn Aegean and EastMed in to chaotic hell place without risking so many lives to name a few; Land-based Atmaca, UAVs carrying Çakır, USVs, FACs, STM-500 and so on, not even need to mention the whole capabilies of TN and TURAF.

What TCG Anadolu offers TN
- Showing flag all around the globe
- Projecting power in places where TN could not achive without it such being Qatar-Somalia etc. ( Definitely not Libya or Greece, Turkey already has better ways to achieve this some of them mentioned in this thread)

As i mentioned earlier what TCG Anadolu offers TN is irrelevant to most imminent threats Turkey has to respond.

Still i hope that the huge amount of $, time and human resources TN invested in this project could be beneficial to some degree, to me it depends on Kızılelma(In Selçuk We Trust !!! ) being adapted & turning her into a platform that's capable of air strikes. This would change the whole dynamic giving her a decent amount of bang for the buck as someone mentioned earlier it could operate in Adriatic and destabilize whole Greek Armed Forces defensive plans.

Even in this case i assert that such expensive and consuming LHD project was not needed. If what we seek for is a drone carrier, a more suitable design(that could operate more drones) and a way cheaper one could be achieved. Instead of having an amphibious ship it could be a basicly drone carrier but with also 2xMk41VLSs(16cells) and 2xCIWS + 2xRAMS with the help of its own Kizilelmas it could depend on herself a great amount it could create a task force with just herself+g-class+istif class+T214 and a very dangerous one.

 

[Zafer]

I would like to make my aforementioned post about about TCG Anadolu being not needed or more accurately should not have been prioritized clarified. I constructed my argument on the basis of geopolitical risk of Turkish State. As i see there are 2 existential threats Turkey faces today and in the near future;

First one being kurdish separatism, PKK in Iraqi lands and de-facto PKK-affliated statelet next to our borders in Syria.
Second one being revisionist greek policies in Aegean and EastMed.

TCG Anadolu neither helps defeating YPG or PKK clearly so from my understanding she needs to give TN prominent advantages in a possible greco-turkish conflict.

TCG Anadolu was designed as an LHD being her main task is to carry out amphibious operations. In a conflict between Turkey & Greece it is clear that the geographical circumstances, this task is the most risky and the least lucrative option. Im pretty sure There are 999 other approaches in TN doctrine that could turn Aegean and EastMed in to chaotic hell place without risking so many lives to name a few; Land-based Atmaca, UAVs carrying Çakır, USVs, FACs, STM-500 and so on, not even need to mention the whole capabilies of TN and TURAF.

What TCG Anadolu offers TN
- Showing flag all around the globe
- Projecting power in places where TN could not achive without it such being Qatar-Somalia etc. ( Definitely not Libya or Greece, Turkey already has better ways to achieve this some of them mentioned in this thread)

As i mentioned earlier what TCG Anadolu offers TN is irrelevant to most imminent threats Turkey has to respond.

Still i hope that the huge amount of $, time and human resources TN invested in this project could be beneficial to some degree, to me it depends on Kızılelma(In Selçuk We Trust !!! ) being adapted & turning her into a platform that's capable of air strikes. This would change the whole dynamic giving her a decent amount of bang for the buck as someone mentioned earlier it could operate in Adriatic and destabilize whole Greek Armed Forces defensive plans.

Even in this case i assert that such expensive and consuming LHD project was not needed. If what we seek for is a drone carrier, a more suitable design(that could operate more drones) and a way cheaper one could be achieved. Instead of having an amphibious ship it could be a basicly drone carrier but with also 2xMk41VLSs(16cells) and 2xCIWS + 2xRAMS with the help of its own Kizilelmas it could depend on herself a great amount it could create a task force with just herself+g-class+istif class+T214 and a very dangerous one.

You can still arm the TCG Anadolu.
It saves us from the shame of having a small footprint on the seas. There wasn't a vision of a drone ship when it was planned. I will not support the decision makers of that time but looking at the possibilities it can enable for the Navy it is good that we already have it rather than having to wait for it to arrive many years. It is good to have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it.

 

[Cypro]

Problem with TN is, TN has a ship it does not need or cant fully utilise that is TCG Anadolu maybe even TCG Bayraktar, TCG Sancaktar. it is purely a political project tbh, like all autocrats he likes big things, big bridge, big shopping malls, big mosques, at this point navy does not have a single air defense destroyer it even does not have a really armed 4500-5000t multipurpose frigate the most capable we have 4x gabya class and modernized meko track2s the youngest is 27 they can barely handle themselves...

We did not need TCG Anadolu it is stupidly useless at this point wasted so much time too, it should have waited until we have first tf-2000 in the navy at least. We could have ordered 4-6x more ada-class, should of design a class between istif and tf-2000 shoulda focus on subsystems earlier like mildas, hisar quad pack, cenk-s...
It is better to sell the tcg anadolu then buying type 23's really. We should sell the anadolu to Egypt )) They are buying anything anyways i don't think they know what they are doing not gonna be threat to us anyway...

I think nearly* the same.. I can't understand 2 things with TSK one is why they waited so long with air defence equipment (forget Hisars, Korkuts even Zıpkıns, think about 90s 80s, army was completely defenceless) and air defence frigates or destroyers! both are so important.. but we can't call Anadolu completely useless, an aircraft carrier is useless! but Anadolu Bayraktar Sancaktar all are big landing ships that have a psychological effect over the Greeks, and can transfer troops, Anadolu was also planned for F35B, before sanctions, without that it is a bit waste of money for the job it will do. On the other hand it is not so expensive like you think, a proper air defence destroyer would cost as much as (even more then) TCG Anadolu. Main problem with lack of air defence frigates etc is waiting for local systems and not spending huge budgets like Arabs..

 

[Nutuk]

Well, there is one constant. From US to Europe everyone is openly and secretly embargoing Turkiye.

A strong Turkiye is for none of them in their interest. France is already crying about Africa.

Turkiye arming all the countries that the west try to keep down is absolutely not in their interest

 

[Osman]

Well, there is one constant. From US to Europe everyone is openly and secretly embargoing Turkiye.

A strong Turkiye is for none of them in their interest. France is already crying about Africa.

Turkiye arming all the countries that the west try to keep down is absolutely not in their interest

This is a very important fact that we should always keep in our mind. Whatever our government's tendancy and ideology will be, this fact will always be a headache for our defence industry. A comprehensive and wholistic strategy which is compatible with national foreign and security policy is needed.

 

[Sanchez]

Which adversary did you say you would use this F35 against?

Russian Migs, Greek F-16s, Iranian F-14s, Syrian Su-22s, Egyptian Rafales and a few more. If we are opting for an overseas force projection capability, an actual fixed wing jet aboard our amphibs is a necessity. How do you protect Anadolu in the Ionian Sea against Rafales with Exocets? If Turkey wasn't booted from JSF, we would get F-35Bs for Anadolu without a second consideration.

 

[No Name]

Russian Migs, Greek F-16s, Iranian F-14s, Syrian Su-22s, Egyptian Rafales and a few more. If we are opting for an overseas force projection capability, an actual fixed wing jet aboard our amphibs is a necessity. How do you protect Anadolu in the Ionian Sea against Rafales with Exocets? If Turkey wasn't booted from JSF, we would get F-35Bs for Anadolu without a second consideration.

I think Zafer is trying to say the US wouldn't let you use the F35Bs against any of those nations so there really isn't much of a point in having them.