Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus News & Update

[Ryder]

Pretty ridiculous people assume Turks hate everybody.

In geopolitical terms Yes but in average terms to a citizen no.

We can get along with everybody.

 

[dBSPL]

We are used to being condemned. Not just because of our actions, but even because of fictional accusations that we often never make. On the other side, there is a structure that imposes a pirate state structure, rejects all peace plans, never hesitates to use the isolation of the Turkish people from the world as a means of political leverage, and moreover, has started to acquire offensive weapons in the military sense.

Even after 50 years, the world states are still a supporter of this coup residue pirate structure, even though Cyprus Turks are the party that makes sacrifices many times. We will either start taking steps back or raise hands. Frankly, I would be very upset if we could not use the stupidity of the US' strategic-scale lack of foresight in Cyprus.

The Greek structures and lobbies side is trying to increase the controlled tension. Since it will not be possible to tolerate it for long, it is necessary to show the edge of a danger that they cannot control. If Greek side insist on to increase the tension, giving it what it wants at Cyprus is the best option for us in my opinion. (and Libya) Btw, I remember that in the Annan plan, even in the drafts studies later years, the buffer zone was left to the Greeks.

 

[Cypro]

Even after 50 years, the world states are still a supporter of this coup residue pirate structure, even though Cyprus Turks are the party that makes sacrifices many times. We will either start taking steps back or raise hands. Frankly, I would be very upset if we could not use the stupidity of the US' strategic-scale lack of foresight in Cyprus.

The Greek Cypriot side is trying to increase the controlled tension. Since it will not be possible to tolerate it for long, it is necessary to show the edge of a danger that they cannot control. If Greek side insist on to increase the tension, and giving it what it wants at Cyprus is the best option for us in my opinion. (and Libya) Btw, I remember that in the Annan plan, even in the drafts studies later years, the buffer zone was left to the Greeks.

Diplomatic and legal mistakes made over 50 years led to this.. we won the war and closed our ears. Classic.. you win on the ground and lose on the table. It is very unfair but we are also guilty (Turkey and TRNC). Same is happening now, 50 - 60 year old arms embargo against Greek Cyprus lifted, once neutral states US, Israel are now openly siding with Greeks. Ey Ameriga, Ey Israil, Ey Avrupa... we close our ears to what you think..

Denktas did not even discuss Annan plan and left the table assuming we can close our ears to the world, not everything can be achieved with guns, diplomacy is also a part of war.. so as a result EU decided to accept Greeks illegally into the Union without peace as Denktas refuse to negotiate and left the table like a kid, we overthrew him after that because of his wrong policy but it was too late to say we are going to negotiate, they rushed referendum while both sides know it was too late. Despite all efforts and even accepting a bitter plan, we lost the diplomacy game. And Annan plan is irrelevant today, it had big soil concessions on our side and TRNC population doubled since then.

Buffer zone and Varosha have always been incentive ready to be given to Greek side, we control 37% of the soil, UN controls 3.7% and in all plans agreement is 30% Turkish side to 70% Greek since 1974. Greeks prefer keeping embargoes over us instead of getting more soil. They barely control 57% percent. *2.75% British Bases, UK also offered to give some of the land to Greeks in case of peace.. but answer is always NO

 

[Heartbang]

Pretty ridiculous people assume Turks hate everybody.

its often the other way around

We are used to being condemned.

"they hate us cuz they aint us!"

 

[Anastasius]

Everyone wants to have a persecution complex, not all persecution complexes are validated by reality.

I would advise listening to the only Turkish Cypriot in this thread and not dismissing his words lightly.

 

[Saithan]

I would like to point out thay Denktas may have left the table for other reasons than what has been said.

As an example I can point to the mistakes AKP made during the beginning of 2000’s and removing casus belli was what Bülent Arinc tried, but was prevented by the President at the time.

Old politicians has been through the stuff and knows something. While new are destined to make mistakes if they do not learn from history.

Just like how RTE is also learning. Despite all the mistakes they’ve made, they’re learning.

Only way out of this mess is to have population boom on TC side as I see it.

Catamaran ferry between Turkey and KKTC under 45 min and create better living conditions and develop Marash.

work in Turkey live in KKTC pay less tax and such.
Open the goddamn trade freely to Turkey amk.

 

[Cypro]

I would like to point out thay Denktas may have left the table for other reasons than what has been said.

As an example I can point to the mistakes AKP made during the beginning of 2000’s and removing casus belli was what Bülent Arinc tried, but was prevented by the President at the time.

Old politicians has been through the stuff and knows something. While new are destined to make mistakes if they do not learn from history.

Just like how RTE is also learning. Despite all the mistakes they’ve made, they’re learning.

Only way out of this mess is to have population boom on TC side as I see it.

Catamaran ferry between Turkey and KKTC under 45 min and create better living conditions and develop Marash.

work in Turkey live in KKTC pay less tax and such.
Open the goddamn trade freely to Turkey amk.

Changing demographics in a territory or enforced population transfer is a war crime, it is a type of ethnic cleansing I suggest you to stop repeating same suggestion, this is a human rights violation. Besides TRNC cannot handle anymore people, traffic is already fucked up here. You can't enforce or decide such an act, people living here never accept this, there is already an anger about this. A population boom already happened in last 10 years and all infrastructure collapsed, regular electricity cuts occur, congested roads, insufficient sewer, skyrocketing crimes.. suggesting this is a big insult so never tell this to any locals.

Transferring or encouraging population transfer without consent of local population is violation of Geneva Convention. Your population has increased, are you happy with syrians or afghans? Will you be happy when all get citizenship and demand sharia?

"Population transfer is a practice or policy having the purpose or effect of moving persons into or out of an area, either within or across an international border, or within, into or out of an occupied territory, without the free and informed consent of the transferred population and any receiving population. It involves collective expulsions or deportations and often ethnic cleansing."

http://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDocs/2011/ajdoc49_2011.pdf

Denktas was 80 year old leader with dementia and paranoia when he left the table, he was not able to see future and stuck in the history that is why we lost the opportunity to become a legal entity. between 1974 and 83 we have a semi recognized Federal State with 2 term leadership rule... Like RTE, in order to rule longer, he destroyed that state and found illegal TRNC which UN instantly rejected. He is number 1 suspect of all this mess, his diplomatic mistakes led TRNC to become a scape goat. In 1975 we have internationally recognized ports for trade, factories, and internationally accepted identity.. Intentionally he and his corrupt buddies crimpled North Cyprus. You only know his rights and achievements from outside and think he is a hero, like you think Aliyev as hero not dictator. It is hard to explain when your mind is shaped differently from childhood, with nationalism and religion. Neither RTE, Denktas or Aliyev are good, they are authoritarians and it is not a good leadership.

 

[Kedikesenfare]

Changing demographics in a territory or enforced population transfer is a war crime, it is a type of ethnic cleansing I suggest you to stop repeating same suggestion, this is a human rights violation. Besides TRNC cannot handle anymore people, traffic is already fucked up here. You can't enforce or decide such an act, people living here never accept this, there is already an anger about this. A population boom already happened in last 10 years and all infrastructure collapsed, regular electricity cuts occur, congested roads, insufficient sewer, skyrocketing crimes.. suggesting this is a big insult so never tell this to any locals.

Transferring or encouraging population transfer without consent of local population is violation of Geneva Convention. Your population has increased, are you happy with syrians or afghans? Will you be happy when all get citizenship and demand sharia?

"Population transfer is a practice or policy having the purpose or effect of moving persons into or out of an area, either within or across an international border, or within, into or out of an occupied territory, without the free and informed consent of the transferred population and any receiving population. It involves collective expulsions or deportations and often ethnic cleansing."

http://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDocs/2011/ajdoc49_2011.pdf

Denktas was 80 year old leader with dementia and paranoia when he left the table, he was not able to see future and stuck in the history that is why we lost the opportunity to become a legal entity. between 1974 and 83 we have a semi recognized Federal State with 2 term leadership rule... Like RTE, in order to rule longer, he destroyed that state and found illegal TRNC which UN instantly rejected. He is number 1 suspect of all this mess, his diplomatic mistakes led TRNC to become a scape goat. In 1975 we have internationally recognized ports for trade, factories, and internationally accepted identity.. Intentionally he and his corrupt buddies crimpled North Cyprus. You only know his rights and achievements from outside and think he is a hero, like you think Aliyev as hero not dictator. It is hard to explain when your mind is shaped differently from childhood, with nationalism and religion. Neither RTE, Denktas or Aliyev are good, they are authoritarians and it is not a good leadership.

I am a Turk and I can live wherever I want to in all parts of Turkiye - be it Anadolu, Trakya or Kuzey Kıbrıs.

 

[Barry]

oh so now The Turkish Republic of North Cyprus isn't it's own country?

Y'all deserve those 5 million Syrians.

 

[Kedikesenfare]

oh so now The Turkish Republic of North Cyprus isn't it's own country?

Y'all deserve those 5 million Syrians.

YES. A distinctly separate Northern Cyprus identity has NEVER existed in history. The difference between a Turk from the Island and a Turk from the Mediterranean Turkish coast is as insignificant as it can be. These are regional identities which can be found in every single country around the globe. They do not constitute a separate entity with a country on its own.

 

[dBSPL]

What is the difference between those whose families migrated to Cyprus 300 years ago and those who migrated 40 years ago? If both have citizenship bonds, there is no difference. In fact, the population of Turkish Cyprus should be doubled. The resettlement policy should be adopted.

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Also, first of all, the construction of the naval base in Dipkarpaz should be started immediately. There's nothing more absurd than keeping this issue on hold, possibly as a sign of goodwill. As can be seen in the examples, this goodwill is sometimes misunderstood even in the Turkish Cypriot parliament.

 

[Yasar_TR]

What is the difference between those whose families migrated to Cyprus 300 years ago and those who migrated 40 years ago? If both have citizenship bonds, there is no difference. In fact, the population of Turkish Cyprus should be doubled. The resettlement policy should be adopted.

There must be quarter of a million Turkish Cypriots in UK alone (I remember a consulate worker mentioning it in casual conversation), majority of which live in London and surrounding towns. If with certain incentives some returned, it would help populate and cut out resentment from local population as well as shut up the Greek cries. Also towns and cities across the water on Turkish side has taken large numbers of Turkish Cypriots settling in mainland Turkey after 1878 and WW1. Their descendants may be given incentives to go back to the Island.
Then of course, there is conventional resettlement of population, which can blend in with all of the above.

 

[dBSPL]

Metin Feyzioğlu appointed as the TRNC ambassador. These are the moves we want to see.

edit: Other assignments are as follows: https://www.haberturk.com/eski-turk...ioglu-lefkosa-buyukelciligi-ne-atandi-3526930

 

[dBSPL]

There must be quarter of a million Turkish Cypriots in UK alone (I remember a consulate worker mentioning it in casual conversation), majority of which live in London and surrounding towns. If with certain incentives some returned, it would help populate and cut out resentment from local population as well as shut up the Greek cries. Also towns and cities across the water on Turkish side has taken large numbers of Turkish Cypriots settling in mainland Turkey after 1878 and WW1. Their descendants may be given incentives to go back to the Island.
Then of course, there is conventional resettlement of population, which can blend in with all of the above.

Years of Greek atrocities had already degraded the island's demographic. After the EOKA coup, it was not expected that the Turkish state would come to the island due to its guarantee rights. Without the Turkish army and the political will at that time, Cyprus would have suffered the same fate as Girit. As you said, the UK is the country where the most Turkish Cypriots live after the motherland. How these people can permanently return is a separate topic of discussion, it is very difficult without increasing the attractiveness and economic opportunities of the island. A few years of full tax exemption can be introduced for people who make a return/settle down to the island. We know that the tax exemption policy was used in addition to forced migrations during the Ottoman period.

 

[dBSPL]

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I could have voiced this picture quite funny, but memes are not allowed on the forum.

 

[Heartbang]

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[GoatsMilk]

A simple empty propaganda confused fellow forum members again, let me be the good opposition guy and explain it.

- This is not a new request and time to time it surfaces, this time Great strategist inside AKP push it to be renewed by their guy inside government who is not even an elected one. For legit countries it is a legit request but reality is different here.
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- Summary, UN has camps in both South and North Cyprus while majority of them are in the Greenline (nobody owns this soil), recently our FM claimed that he sent a letter (which UN says never received) requesting (UNFICYP) United Nations Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus to make an agreement that legalize their military presence in the camps stationed in the TRNC.

Additional information: UNFICYP came to the island as observing force back in 1964 to observe the conflict and Turkish Cypriots welcomed this. All guarantor states requested and UN pass a resolution to send troops to the island. In 1964 they came to the island with the permission of Republic of Cyprus (back then which was a two community republic). OUR Government now wants to get permission form TRNC as well.. suddenly. UN troops were / are obligated to stay neutral and don't involve in any armed conflict with any side, never clashed with Greeks or Turkish Troops. However there are lots of Heroes and stories where UN troops secretly transfer, save Turkish Cypriots from Greek guerrillas, one of them even involves carrying weapons to Turks with a UN vehicle (Those guys faced a trial and prisoned, after 74 they moved to North Cyprus). So Turkish Cypriots does not have negative feelings against UN troops, also some of our people work for UN.

Camps and Greenline: UN Troops came in 1964 and stationed in ex-British military camps in some occasions, that is why they still keep that camp after 1974 in Famagusta, inside our soil but it was a British camp given to UNFICYP, they also have camps in South, camps and points inside British base area (which is sovereign territory of UK) One another thing is about Varosha / Maras, UN has control points there and patrols as far as I know, because UN Council passed a resolution about Varosha that requires it to be remain unpopulated until a peace deal being signed.

On the other hand, Greenline, where most of UN troops stationed is a soil that no one owns and it was drawn / decided before 1974 to separate Turkish zone from Greek Zone in Nicosia, as a buffer zone. Legally it belongs to Republic of Cyprus but UNFICYP is holding it.

So conclusion, reckless and confused government is trying to push limits hoping this will force UN to accept us as a legal entity without proper diplomacy which probably worsen our situation and cause more sanctions and more support to South. Just like what you can expect from AKP, a foreign policy without knowing history, proper diplomacy and international law. Would it work? No, it is just propaganda for inside.

Personal Note: I know that Turks* from Turkey does not like UN, British etc. they see any foreigner (especially christians) with a negative view and hate them. When a Turk who came from Turkey, sees UN troops, they perceive them as enemies, "gavur" and if you say good things about them you are traitor for them. So with that mind AKP guys forcing government here to act against UNFICYP which actually still helps us, give fundings to environmental projects etc. UNDP used to fund some projects that could benefit both sides, development etc. WE don't need more enemies or negative view of our people, thanks to ignorants who are pushing their small plans, our reputation will sink even further.

This is a major problem we face.

In Turkey we have a really strong village mindset that plagues half the population, almost moronic but more to do with absolute ignorance of how the wider world operates outside of their village. These tend to people who speak the loudest and speak the most.

And diplomatically speaking Turkey has been an absolute shambles, no foresight and no understanding of what could and can happen. Then when it happens we have no contingencies in place, just emotional reactionary measures.

Syria is a good example of how you can get your politics so absolutely wrong. However, we have seen moves these past 2 years which seems to suggest that we are moving away from the past 2 decades of absolute stupidity.

Ukraine is like polar opposite to Syria, while Syria was a disaster and continues to be one, Ukraine was played in a way that Turkey cannot lose irrespective of who wins.

But as a Turkish Cypriot don't be fooled, the intention is to drag you out far enough into the sea where you are separate from the Turkish core. Then if even something as extreme as a genocide started to prevail, the media in the west will either not cover it or they will portray the Turkish Cypriots as the instigators of it.

Just look at propaganda directed towards Azerbaijan, or the relentless genocide of the Kurds in the media. Outlandish lies, but that's what they are doing and all of them are doing it. It doesn't matter whether you read the british, french, american, german, swedish media etc they are pushing the same targeted narrative. That isn't happening by chance. That shows us a central agenda at play here that unites many states to move against us in a certain direction.

The common European will get on far better with the common Turk then the common middle eastern person will. I live in England and i know that Europeans are hell of a lot closer to us culturally then say Syrians or Iraqis are. The problem is not the common person but the power structures who call the shots.

The British were big trouble makers on that island, if you place trust in them politically you will be drowning yourself. They want you to take the bait and to separate yourself from the Turkish core. Learn about British imperial history if you have doubts as to how they operate.

Even today in England i have greek friends who I've known for years, however all of them will talk shit about Turks to other people. They will raise their kids to hate Turks and their churches will demonise Turks. So while they smile to you and they get on with you, they will never let go of their hatreds and prejudices.

There was a period of time here in England where we just to go to church and I saw first hand how Turks were being demonised within their churches. I would suspect that during the recent armenian/azeri conflict, many of the churches in England would have been talking about showing support for the armenian occupiers and finding soft words to denounce Azerbaijan.

 

[Baryshx]

Turkish Cypriots should get rid of this pathetic and helpless psychology. Also, I think the name of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus should be changed. Its new name should also be Cyprus, only Cyprus. Claims should be made for the entire island, closed areas should be opened for settlement. I agree with the view that people of Turkish origin should be populated in Cyprus. Already, most of the Cypriots went to England and Australia. Also, you didn't come to Cyprus from space, you went from Türkiye.

 

[dBSPL]

President Erdogan: "Currently, our UAVs and UCAVs are in the TRNC. Similar things may happen again. It is our right. We need to secure Northern Cyprus from all sides."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578310070156206081

 

[Cypro]

You Greek lover hypocrite traitors! We need to nationalize Turkey! If they were Turkish Cypriots they couldn't even enter the door but when it is EOKA fanatics AEK Larnaca boys, they are brothers

https://fenerbahce.org/haberler/fut...icilerini-ve-uefa-delegesini-yemekte-agirladi