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Supporting terrorists to fight terrorists.
Ypg fighting isis does not make them good guys.
TR Turkiye's F-35 Project and Discussions
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Turkish firms continue production for F-35 fighter jets: Defense body head - Türkiye News
Turkish companies continue to produce parts of the F-35 fighter jets despite being removed from the program, the head of Turkey’s top defense procurement and development body has said.
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There are data that the invisibility feature of the aircraft against Russian and Chinese air defense systems is questionable. Therefore, tests under real war conditions have also been postponed indefinitely.
It is said that the radar tracks of the aircraft were identified by the S400 radar located in Syria (Latakia), and therefore there is serious data that the invisibility feature is questionable.
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S400 is useful
F35 is useless
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Aside from the stealth characteristics of the F-35, the F-35 has a whole range of capabilities not found on other fighter aircraft and with its price of $100m a pop, it is not the most expensive either.
It is already known that VHF radars can detect 'stealth' targets and with IR guidance and triangulation, such a stealth aircraft can be taken down.
The F-35 stealth characteristics makes it less vulnerable to short and medium range radars, airborne radars and active seeker heads of air-to-air missiles. Combine that with advanced EW and a 5th gen fighter is very hard to take down.
Is it impossible to detect and take down a 5th gen fighter? No.
Is it much more difficult to take down than any previous generation fighter? Absolutely yes.
It is already known that VHF radars can detect 'stealth' targets and with IR guidance and triangulation, such a stealth aircraft can be taken down.
The F-35 stealth characteristics makes it less vulnerable to short and medium range radars, airborne radars and active seeker heads of air-to-air missiles. Combine that with advanced EW and a 5th gen fighter is very hard to take down.
Is it impossible to detect and take down a 5th gen fighter? No.
Is it much more difficult to take down than any previous generation fighter? Absolutely yes.
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It is only good for its maker and its close allies.
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I think you'll talk differently when the F-35 flies in Turkish service
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Correction of @orko_8 on his twitter account
“The F-35's transition from the ongoing low-level production phase to the full-capacity mass production phase, not mass production, has been postponed. The simulation tests that the aircraft must enter in order to be declared fully ready for combat (FOC) cannot be done. Low speed mass production (LRIP) will continue.”
We own the real radar capability data of S-400 radars that they need. It seems that that they don’t have sufficient data to put on simulations by the way they’ll reach to a conclusion.
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Perhaps this is why the Americans are desperately trying to pick-up the S-400 radar signal in Syria and Ukraine, by constantly flying their SIGINT/ELINT aircraft and drones near them.
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Apparently not just Russian but also Chinese.
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The USA will prevent the use of F35 against their wishes which is 70% of our use cases.I think you'll talk differently when the F-35 flies in Turkish service
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I wonder if it’s true that RU hackers got F35 secrets.
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And the Iranians, and everyone who can make a large VHF radar.
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Man, these random no bodies from net are generally AKP fanboys. So, if Erdogan tomorrow says that "We are going back to F-35 program". They will start posting about how great of a system is F-35 and how useless is S-400.
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Since when was temmuz1919 an akp fanboy??
F-35 Flies With 871 Flaws, Only Two Fewer Than Year Earlier
Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35, the fighter jet already being flown by the U.S. and eight allies, remains marred by 871 software and hardware deficiencies that could undercut readiness, missions or maintenance, according to the Pentagon’s testing office.
The Defense Department’s costliest weapons system “continues to carry a large number of deficiencies, many of which were identified prior to” the development and demonstration phase, which ended in April 2018 with 941 flaws, Robert Behler, the director of operational testing, said in a new assessment obtained by Bloomberg News in advance of its publication.
Lockheed has delivered or is under contract for 970 aircraft of a potential 3,200 or more planes for the U.S. and other nations. The assessment outlining the seemingly intractable roster of flaws -- it’s down only two from the 873 that Behler reported last year -- provides the incoming Biden administration with a primer on the $398 billion F-35 program that retains strong backing in Congress and from overseas purchasers despite its problems.
Those include a stalled one-month simulation exercise required to certify the plane is combat-ready against the toughest Russian or Chinese threats and thus ready for a decision on full-rate production.
Ellen Lord, the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment, has directed a review no later than May 31 on progress toward conducting the oft-delayed simulation that most recently had been scheduled to occur last month. In a previously undisclosed Dec. 15 memo to Navy and Air Force officials, Lord also ordered an update to the Pentagon’s F-35 acquisition strategy. Behler predicted the simulation will occur by mid or late-year.
In October, the F-35 program will mark 20 years since Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed beat rival Boeing Co. in the contest to build the next-generation U.S. fighter.
Laura Seal, a spokesperson for the Defense Department’s F-35 program office, declined to comment until Behler’s report is released officially.
Aside from the technical flaws, the F-35 program faces a $10 billion shortfall in the Pentagon’s planned budget for 2021 through 2025. The Trump administration’s final budget blueprint calls for requesting $78 billion for research and development, jet procurement, operations and maintenance and military construction. But the Pentagon’s independent cost analysis unit estimates $88 billion will be needed, according to a June 2020 analysis.
Upgrade Schedule
The F-35 program is undergoing a “Block 4” upgrade costing at least $12.1 billion that’s intended to correct past deficiencies and introduce new capabilities in six-month increments through 2026 to keep up with current threats. The plan includes retrofitting some planes already built and in use by militaries from the U.S. and the U.K. to Japan.Even with this focused effort, “the overall number of open deficiencies has not changed significantly since” early 2018, Behler wrote, “due to ongoing problems with initial software quality” in Block 4 and “limited lab and flight test capability, resulting in a high rate of problem discoveries” in testing and in the field.
The Block 4 process “is not working,” Behler wrote. “It is causing significant delays to planned schedules and results in poor software quality, containing deficiencies.” Software changes “intended to introduce new capabilities or fix deficiencies often introduced stability problems.”
Only 10 of the 871 unresolved deficiencies cited by Boehler involve potentially serious “Category 1” issues, defined as critical deficiencies that could jeopardize pilot or aircraft safety or degrade mission effectiveness. That’s compared with 102 such problems among the 941 cases cited in 2018.
Lockheed said in a statement that none of the 10 current deficiencies are “1A” problems that could affect pilot or aircraft safety but instead are in “Category 1B,” which the program office defines as representing “a critical impact on mission readiness,” training or maintenance.
“Though we have not seen the report, we track all F-35 deficiency reports,” Lockheed spokesman Brett Ashworth said in a statement. He said about 70% of the 871 pending items “are categorized as low priority or are with the F-35 Joint Program Office for resolution.”
Of the 10 pending “mission impacts” deficiency reports, nine have “closure resolution plans, with seven already delivered to the government awaiting action,” and the others currently being reviewed.
A defense official who’s seen the Behler assessment said many of the deficiencies will be resolved with production line changes and software updates. Although deficiencies must be documented for contractual and reporting purposes, the official said, depending on their severity they might not be rapidly resolved. The size, scope and resolution status are being evaluated as part of the ongoing negotiations for a 15th production contract, the official said.
Among other findings, the testing office’s report said that although the F-35 is showing increased reliability, it’s still taking maintenance personnel too much time to repair aircraft and that cybersecurity vulnerabilities identified during earlier testing “have not been resolved.”
Erdogan confirms that talks on the second batch of S-400s are underway with Russia. However there isn’t any final decision yet
(F-35) We paid a lot of money on this issue, but these are still not given. This is a very serious mistake against us. We take more positive steps than we have negotiated with Biden, and we put them on track.
Wonder if there has been any negotiations, according to Ragip soylu, "Erdogan's office requested a call with Biden last month, but weeks later no conversation has been arranged"
Biden cold shoulders Erdogan as request for call left unanswered
US president-elect has grown distant to the Turkish leader, but there are signs both sides will seek to work the relationship out
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s400 was brought to pressure the americans to stop supporting the pkk/ypg. Not only did it have no effect in influencing the US, it brought no influence with Russia as was seen when they killed the Turkish droops make in February last year.
Now AK party not anticipating that s400 could have been a losing position they are doubling down with talks of a second patch in the hope they can buy F35.
Literally banana politics.
