And that's what i am saying, they have different aerodynamics, but you tried to dodge that, especially by giving example of AMX.
I dodge nothing, you point aerodynamics, even though there's no data that suggest that the AMX could or couldn't be as agile as the KE
So I came up with things that has numbers instead, thrust and payload.
You point aerodynamics as a differentiator of the two (AMX and KE) while I point thrust and payload as a differentiator, at the very least my differentiator has ready numbers available
Again, you are wrong, even if you take 31ton or 38 ton, F-15EX and KE end up with similar TWR,
In an Air-Air configuration the F-15 will not be carrying payload such as in Air-Ground mission. In a typical air-air config, F-15 payload are usually 4x AIM-120 + 4x AIM-9 totalled at 988kg (<1 ton) and sometimes drop tanks which will be ejected in combat.
14 tons empty + 1 ton + 6 tons fuel = 21 tons
21 tons = 205.9kN ~206 kN
TWR = 260kN/206kN = 1.26
Kizilelma empty weigh without weapons (6 tons-1.5tons) = 4.5 tons =44.1 ~44 kN
TWR = 44/44 = 1
So the KE clean without weapons is still underpowered against an F-15 with 8 missiles.
An estimate which doesn't account RAM, RAS, not even a model of the current KE and it is PEC and still gets 0.24, this number would be much lower in a real config.
I'd be happy if you have and could post alternate suggestions with source.
+Even if it is 0.2m², and let's say F-15EX radar can detect a 1m2 from 150km, KE would be detected from around 65km and if KE is using a radar that can detect 1m² from 100km, it would detect F-15EX from (8-10m²) 160km
There's actually a mathematical formula for it that I saw once , I'll try find one, till then this is guessing
The last part, who operates it is definitely important, and i touched on this in my previous posts with someone else
True, F-15EX operated by the USAF actually has scored kill against US 5th gen jet.
Don't know if other potential operator of the Eagle II could do this.