TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Huelague]

Do I miss something? Have they take off or land from TCG Anadolu?

 

[dBSPL]

Kızılelma


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Just as we predicted, the TB-3 will be able to stop on the runway without the need for any catch system, but it will not have a chance to pass the runway. The only question I have now is whether there will be a safety net for KE too. In other words, whether it will have the chance to pass the runway in heavy sea conditions or in case of any miscalculation like when the tail hook misses the line. The length of the deck may not be very generous for the landing runway, given the continuity of other operations, i.e. the aircraft will have to touch deck as close as possible to the aft elevator, there may be no more than two catch line which they may also be very close to each other, so the AI must ensure perfect landings in all conditions.

I think it won't be and it will have the same landing procedure as STOBAR aircraft. In other words, three different air operations will take place on the TCG Anadolu deck: STOL(TB-3), STOBAR(KE) and VTOL (rotary wings). The only operation we will not experience on TCG Anadolu will be catapult assisted take off.

 

[boredaf]

Selçuk Bayraktar yeni KIZILELMA'sını açıkladı

BAYKAR Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Selçuk Bayraktar, TCG ANADOLU Envantere Giriş Töreni sırasında BAYRAKTAR TB3 ve KIZILELMA hakkında önemli açıklamalarda bulundu.

www.savunmasanayist.com

BAYRAKTAR TB3 will take off with its own power without the need for anything like a catapult. Only KE will need capture cables. It is much faster. But Bayraktar TB3 also has a special braking system that prevents slipping. Also, the floor of the track is a bit more friction coefficient. So it will stop with its own braking power. BAYRAKTAR TB3 has very special aerodynamic surfaces and it can make very hard landings. ” he said.

 

[what]

So TB3 will take off and land without any help, nets or catapults but Kizilelma will need a landing hook. In all weather conditions. Sorry dont know the correct vocabulary, but thought that was worth highlighting.

 

[Oublious]

LEts brainstorm what TB3 could do with enemy airdefences, lets hypothetical put four of EW pod on TB3. What kind effect will it have?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427965405247774723

 

[Afif]

LEts brainstorm what TB3 could do with enemy airdefences, lets hypothetical put four of EW pod on TB3. What kind effect will it have?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427965405247774723

It depends on which Air defences we are taking about.
If it is Russian, probably not gonna see the TB-3 coming anyway.

 

[Corvus]

"Forward! Towards the very horizon where the boundless blue meets its end!"

The most impressive video of Turkish defence industry ever made.

Just watched it in big screen+full resolution+earphones and it gave me chills like never before. Two cutting edge piece of techology on the deck of the first ever drone carrier of the world. All made in Türkiye.

Not just the technology and industry but a totally new, unique, developing doctrine and whole another level of warfare. Warfare of the future.
.
I would be shitting my pants right now if my country had problems with Türkiye.

 

[Oublious]

 

[dBSPL]

"Forward! Towards the very horizon where the boundless blue meets its end!"

The most impressive video of Turkish defence industry ever made.

Just watched it in big screen+full resolution+earphones and it gave me chills like never before. Two cutting edge piece of techology on the deck of the first ever drone carrier of the world. All made in Türkiye.

Not just the technology and industry but a totally new, unique, developing doctrine and whole another level of warfare. Warfare of the future.
.
I would be shitting my pants right now if my country had problems with Türkiye.

This should be a 4-part showcase. Baykar published the first part. In the second part, Aselsan should show fleets of USVs and UUVs with TCG Anadolu. In the 3rd part, LCMs landing UGVs. In the 4th part, ANKA-3 and air lauched UAVs.

And the final sequence, all the elements together on TCG Anadolu, in the Libyan sea.

 

[Chocopie]

I don‘t know what some members here are smoking. There‘s not one existing LHD installed with arresting gear, for good reasons.

Only 4 countries in this world manufacture naval arresting gear: US, UK, Russia and China. Even France imports them from General Atomics.

1. Hydraulic arresting gears are monstrously big in size, huge energy consumers and technically not suitable for lightweight drone airframes like KE without damaging them after a few landings.

2. Electromagnetic arresting gears are smaller in size and suitable to catch lightweight UCAVs or jet-powered drones like KE (real-time calculation and regulation of arresting power to the brake motors). That technology is only mastered by US and China.

3. For safety reasons aircraft carriers usually deploy 4-6 arresting cables over the whole landing strip.

Conclusion: major overhaul construction and using up of the floor space under deck for the arresting gear installation (Juan Carlos class was never designed for this purpose by Navantia). An unknown technology nobody would transfer to Turkiye, neither hydraulic nor electromagnetic. So how would Anadolu get its „arresting cables“ that some people think of a technical nuisance which is clearly not?

 

[Zafer]

I don‘t know what some members here are smoking. There‘s not one existing LHD installed with arresting gear, for good reasons.

Only 4 countries in this world manufacture naval arresting gear: US, UK, Russia and China. Even France imports them from General Atomics.

1. Hydraulic arresting gears are monstrously big in size, huge energy consumers and technically not suitable for lightweight drone airframes like KE without damaging them after a few landings.

2. Electromagnetic arresting gears are smaller in size and suitable to catch lightweight UCAVs or jet-powered drones like KE (real-time calculation and regulation of arresting power to the brake motors). That technology is only mastered by US and China.

3. For safety reasons aircraft carriers usually deploy 4-6 arresting cables over the whole landing strip.

Conclusion: major overhaul construction and using up of the floor space under deck for the arresting gear installation (Juan Carlos class was never designed for this purpose by Navantia). An unknown technology nobody would transfer to Turkiye, neither hydraulic nor electromagnetic. So how would Anadolu get its „arresting cables“ that some people think of a technical nuisance which is clearly not?

Who gave that technology to the US and to China ? Probably their hard work which we have plenty of ourselves.

 

[Chocopie]

It‘s billions $ spent on R&D and years of experience by construction of previous aircraft carriers with hydraulic arresting gears. Nothing of that was done in Turkiye. So, hard work only doesn‘t result in anything without a proper development plan, engineering capabilities, technical ecosystem and the right budget.

 

[Zafer]

It‘s billions $ spent on R&D and years of experience by construction of previous aircraft carriers with hydraulic arresting gears. Nothing of that was done in Turkiye. So, hard work only doesn‘t result in anything without a proper development plan, engineering capabilities, technical ecosystem and the right budget.

We have many years of rail gun development work already which uses similar technology.

We also use land based arresting gear already, I am not sure who developed that but we have MRO experience as a minimum.

Türkiye can make a 5 gen fighter but can not make arresting gear, that is absurd.

 

[Kaan Azman]

It‘s billions $ spent on R&D and years of experience by construction of previous aircraft carriers with hydraulic arresting gears. Nothing of that was done in Turkiye. So, hard work only doesn‘t result in anything without a proper development plan, engineering capabilities, technical ecosystem and the right budget.

There have been many such cases like Radars, IIR seekers, Combat Management Systems for warships, USVs (I mean bloody hell Turkiye is even one of the leading countries in that area) and many more that I am too lazy to count. Arresting gear is simpler than some of what we have managed to achieve with little or just no know-how in the past years.

 

[Era_shield]

It‘s billions $ spent on R&D and years of experience by construction of previous aircraft carriers with hydraulic arresting gears. Nothing of that was done in Turkiye. So, hard work only doesn‘t result in anything without a proper development plan, engineering capabilities, technical ecosystem and the right budget.

Same dumb argument was made for why Turkiye can't make the T-FX.

There's this thing called "engineering" which allows you to develop things you haven't developed before.

 

[Baryshx]

I don‘t know what some members here are smoking. There‘s not one existing LHD installed with arresting gear, for good reasons.

Only 4 countries in this world manufacture naval arresting gear: US, UK, Russia and China. Even France imports them from General Atomics.

1. Hydraulic arresting gears are monstrously big in size, huge energy consumers and technically not suitable for lightweight drone airframes like KE without damaging them after a few landings.

2. Electromagnetic arresting gears are smaller in size and suitable to catch lightweight UCAVs or jet-powered drones like KE (real-time calculation and regulation of arresting power to the brake motors). That technology is only mastered by US and China.

3. For safety reasons aircraft carriers usually deploy 4-6 arresting cables over the whole landing strip.

Conclusion: major overhaul construction and using up of the floor space under deck for the arresting gear installation (Juan Carlos class was never designed for this purpose by Navantia). An unknown technology nobody would transfer to Turkiye, neither hydraulic nor electromagnetic. So how would Anadolu get its „arresting cables“ that some people think of a technical nuisance which is clearly not?

After all, how many countries have aircraft carriers, and why should these countries work on this? For one or two aircraft carriers? Of course the US and China will be the leaders in this field.

France is capable of producing them if it has to or if it cannot reach them. Other countries with aircraft carriers are capable of doing so.

Since the Hürjet and Kızılelma will not land for a long time, there is time for cooperation or engineering work in this area.

 

[Chocopie]

Same dumb argument was made for why Turkiye can't make the T-FX.

There's this thing called "engineering" which allows you to develop things you haven't developed before.

Turkiye and TAI literally spent billions of $, decades of learning, technology transfer, absorbing knowledge and gaining experience in aircraft license manufacturing, scientific research on university and institute level, a grown ecosystem of aerospace companies and subsystem manufacturers, domestic and foreign engineering talents and expertise acquired during F-35 development project evolved to TFX.

None of that can be said about cutting-edge naval electromagnetic arresting gears. You can‘t engineer out of thin air, there‘s always a learning curve and development progress.

 

[Nilgiri]

It has already been discussed before for those interested:

Naval Programs

ULAQ ASW DSH

defencehub.live

(anmdt gives a pretty detailed reply further down the page)

 

[dBSPL]

F-18E/F typical landing weight +16000kg
F-35C probably over than F-18s
Rafale M 12-13 tons
MiG-29K probably same
Su-33 around 20 tons
J-15 almost 20 tons

(estimated figures based on the assumption that around 20% fuel and some payloads will be bring back, added to the empty weight of the aircraft)

For KE, it can be estimated to be around 5 maybe near 6 tons if it drops all its ammunition. Also, the KE's approach speed to the runway can be realized at lower speeds than the manned fighters above.

Yes, it is indeed very difficult to add a arresting mechanism to an LHD type platform and the operation of such aircraft creates a technical obstacle that will limit the sortie capacity of the ship in the first place. However, as TCG Anadolu is not a real aircraft carrier, also KE does not have same flight parameters of a conventional carrier-based fighters listed above.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645875048778207241

here comes the very large map