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[I_Love_F16]

The video actually has an English subtitle.

Yeah I forgot to precise it. My bad.

 

[dBSPL]

The comments under the video are as interesting as the video itself. It is once again evident that European defense and aerospace enthusiasts in particular have a very low awareness of industrial relations in the international arena. The Turkish aerospace industry, and more specifically the flagship companies such as TAI, Havelsan, etc., have been an extension of western aviation for a very long time, and their production capabilities and institutional know-how are essentially the same as the standards in their home countries.

But recently, when the Turkish industry has started to focus on indigenous products, they are surprised as if all this has come from nowhere. In fact, one of the main motives that pushed the Turks to do this was the use of their country's defense and aerospace industries as a political lever and a method of power acquisition. There are still many who continue their mistakes with subsystem embargoes and embargoes-like barriers.

Another thing they point to is the momentum gained, which is also one of the grounds on which they criticize the slowdown in their own countries. I think it is an important anecdote when the presenter compares the aviation industry in Turkiye to Europe (imo he means big 3) in the 60s. There is high inflation and many other problems, but there is also a much more enthusiastic and courageous attitude to developing projects and creating syntheses than in Europe. With this statement, the presenter indirectly implied that the gap between TR and FR in terms of aerospace industrial capacities cannot be maintained at the same rate for many years to come.

 

[Afif]

Let me predict something.
In 15 years, there won't be any qualitative gap between Dassault Aviation and TUSAS.
(quantitatively speaking, TAI already has the most active projects running in EUROPE)

 

[Merzifonlu]

Let me predict something.
In 15 years, there won't be any qualitative gap between Dassault Aviation and TUSAS.
(quantitatively speaking, TAI already has the most active projects running in EUROPE)

In 10 years, not 15.

 

[Rodeo]

TEI PD-222ST engine was integrated into the TB-3 UCAV, which was developed by Baykar, whose tests are continuing with the TEI production PD-170 engine.

PD-222ST engine produces 225 horsepower for 5 minutes at take-off and 200 horsepower continuously.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1688099799831044096

 

[Lool]

TEI PD-222ST engine was integrated into the TB-3 UCAV, which was developed by Baykar, whose tests are continuing with the TEI production PD-170 engine.

PD-222ST engine produces 225 horsepower for 5 minutes at take-off and 200 horsepower continuously.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1688099799831044096

Which is better
PD-170 or PD-222SF?

 

[zio]

PD-170 is good for higher altitute-over 20000 feet-,PD-222 is not good for it but other than that PD-222 is better

 

[boredaf]

Which is better
PD-170 or PD-222SF?

For short take off definitely PD-222, which is what's necessary for TB3.

PD-170 is good for higher altitute-over 20000 feet-,PD-222 is not good for it but other than that PD-222 is better

Over 30k+ PD-170 but PD-222 has a higher power in 20k plus iirc.

 

[Afif]

The question is, is TEI manufacturing them domestically now or the casting is still sourced from aboard.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

The question is, is TEI manufacturing them domestically now or the casting is still sourced from aboard.

The aim of the “Development of Aluminum Casting Processes for Aviation (ASLAN) project” is to develop the aluminum engine block production processes and perform the necessary verification tests of the TEI-PD170 piston engine which is used in unmanned air vehicles. Within the scope of the project, A201 alloy engine block casting and machining processes will be realized with domestic capabilities for the indigenous unmanned air vehicle piston engine.

ASLAN project is supported by the Directorate of Defense Industry (SSB). Altun Döküm Sanayi A.Ş. is the main sub-contractor in the project and they will carry out process development and prototype manufacturing activities. The project has started in 2020 and will last for 46 months.

TEI - Aslan

www.tei.com.tr

 

[dBSPL]

In 10 years, not 15.

Üstad, I am still in favor of cautious forecasts. Don't jinx it. lol

The date of December 27, 2023, when Kaan will make its first flight, will already be remembered as the date of our ascent to the top league. Platforms such as KAAN, KE-II and ANKA-IV, Hurjet Naval will provide the capability demonstration in terms of the most advanced system. And all this will come to life within 10 years, as you say.

But the indispensable pillar of a complete and competent national aviation industry, right down to the capillaries, is civil aviation. The experience built up in the military field needs to move towards a civilian branding at a competitive level. For this, we need a lot of integrators, system engineering, design and test companies. Some of the leading capital structures for the country's industry need to enter the aviation field more strongly, not on the service side, but on the manufacturing and R&D side. I think this is the part that will take time, and this is also, as you know, a feature of the infrastructure of French aviation, which constitutes its unique national structure.

In our country, we have around 50 globally competent companies that supply systems/manufacturing parts to international aviation giants, spread across a wide range of production activities. We have very valuable clusters such as OSTIM/OSSA and aviation companies like jewels within these clusters. It is really ridiculous that the whole burden is on TAI's shoulders. At the moment, the main challenge for an enterprise that wants to produce airplanes in Turkiye is the costs of initial aircraft development, design and testing activities, but there are really incredible advantages, especially in terms of production planning. As a matter of fact, we have started to see some small initiatives, which currently involve the localization of already developed platforms through foreign acquisitions. There is a need for more, and for this, we need some 'babayiğits'. Esp the ones who have tripled even quintupled the size of their wealth in dollar terms in the last 5-10 years. Someone need to tell them, "you can't always take, enter more strategic sectors to give some of them back'

The revival of Kayseri TOMTAŞ is great news. But we need much more. For example, the narrow-body civil aircraft issue that we talked a lot last decade. This will not be a blessing, a private JV enterprise of considerable size (like TOGG, for example, or İGA) that sees this opportunity now could make an incredible fortune in the future. The automotive industry is not the only one undergoing huge changes, civil aviation is in the midst of major developments, and companies that see these new trends and technological breakthroughs in the near future will have their own special place among the giants.

 

[Heartbang]

and for this, we need some 'babayiğits'. Esp the ones who have tripled even quintupled the size of their wealth in dollar terms in the last 5-10 years. Someone need to tell them, "you can't always take, enter more strategic sectors to give some of them back'

This should apply to pretty much every sector imaginable. Cars, planes, chips, everything.

 

[dBSPL]

This should apply to pretty much every sector imaginable. Cars, planes, chips, everything.

It certainly is. There are many important strategic areas. End-system and branding is only one side of it, but that is not even sole strategic issue. The government had very wrong monetary policies, and these mistakes were equally contaminated by the owners of capital who used monetary development as a tool of wealth, even though the conditions were very favorable during the same period. Many good things have happened. There have been very strategic investments, but we have not been able to realize our true potential.

IMO, Turkiye needs a new and very ambitious roadmap in strategic high-tech areas. In fact, this should be an extension of the medium-term economic program to be announced in September. The conjuncture is incredibly favorable for such an expansion from 2024 to the 2030s, and I hope we can act without delay this time.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

The aim of the “Development of Aluminum Casting Processes for Aviation (ASLAN) project” is to develop the aluminum engine block production processes and perform the necessary verification tests of the TEI-PD170 piston engine which is used in unmanned air vehicles. Within the scope of the project, A201 alloy engine block casting and machining processes will be realized with domestic capabilities for the indigenous unmanned air vehicle piston engine.

ASLAN project is supported by the Directorate of Defense Industry (SSB). Altun Döküm Sanayi A.Ş. is the main sub-contractor in the project and they will carry out process development and prototype manufacturing activities. The project has started in 2020 and will last for 46 months.

TEI - Aslan

www.tei.com.tr

That means, depending on which month it has started in 2020, TEI will be gaining this capability in a year or two max.

 

[AzeriTank]

TAI seriously need to increase production capacity. They have a huge pipeline entering mass production as we speak and they need to adapt as an organization. They cannot continue as an research/prototype organization.

Temel Kotil said they make 5 Anka a month and 2 Aksungur a month(which he saod they will increase Alsungur production to Anka level soon) but where are those Anlas going to? To Turkish airforce and other customers probably.

 

[Samba]

Any news about Anka 3? I am so excited to see it flying

 

[uçuyorum]

Any news about Anka 3? I am so excited to see it flying

It was said in december KAAN and Anka 3 will fly together, I don't know if that means we won't see Anka 3 fly until then.

 

[dBSPL]

BAHA, an unmanned aerial vehicle developed under HAVELSAN's "digital troops" concept, achieved its first export success in Africa.

Operational integration illustration of tactical VTOL UAV BAHA and ÇAKA (DAY-KIDA)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1689326853390049288

All these are extensions of HAVELSAN's future warfare concept.

Edit: TCG Anadolu, as a whole concept, may be the closest ship to the concept of a real drone mothership. This is because we are addressing this issue not only on a carrier platform basis, but also on the basis of all subsystems and platforms from tactical up to strategic level.

Not US, Not France, but Turkiye. @Afif üstad, This does not mean that the relevant industrial areas in TR have the same depth or scale of resources as these centuries-old accumulations. But that is not the point here.

 

[Quasar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1689326963213692928

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1689326963213692928

With 3 ÇAKIR, it can probably operate in the same radius and flight profile. However, my dream is to see this machine flying with 5 ÇAKIRs. As missile truck of fighter jets.