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[B_A]

It is the work toward mass production that is starting. The first Kızılelma to join the air force will probably be ready in a year so. In recent news we know that American companies could make a new manned fighter in less than 3 years. So it is not unexpected to see Kızılelma progress rapidly as a remote controlled unmanned fighter.

If KE and Hurjet are good enough,can we neednt to buy 40 F-16V?

 

[Zafer]

If KE and Hurjet are good enough,can we neednt to buy 40 F-16V?

Maybe 2 Kızılelma and 1 Hürjet can do the jon of an F16 I guess. We haven't yet seen their capabilities.

 

[B_A]

Maybe 2 Kızılelma and 1 Hürjet can do the jon of an F16 I guess. We haven't yet seen their capabilities.

The 40 F-16V are now looks like the EU VISA free for TR citizen,promise and promise,talk and talk but never come

 

[Afif]

You need to provide some source for these two claims because there is no way in hell Anka-3, a flying wing drone, would be cheaper than KE. And Tusas does not have another drone suitable for the task, nor they look like they are going to have another in the near future.

Where did I talk about ANKA-3?

KE will always going to be cheaper and easier to produce than Kaan.

That does not necessarily makes it expandable.
Anyway, I think you misunderstood what I wrote.

 

[Anmdt]

We have seen it take off and land,thats it.
Yet they decided to mass produce it.
With what engine,the underpowered Ukrainian engine?
Is there something we dont know?

It will be a LRIP, we shouldn't expect a large scale mass production as in others. 2 to 3 months per aircraft. Assuming that neither Ukrainians will be able to deliver engines at that rate, this is likely the LRIP to conduct extensive tests within TurAF until TF-6000 and other components get ready.

 

[Afif]

Military procurement and planning is a difficult process. Moreso for us. We can't only think if a platform looks good we buy a 100 right now. We have to consider maintainability and availability, current capabilities and how it will hold up in future in 10 years, how will it be modernized etc. We have very tight budgets so we have to be very selective. It is also important not to buy one of everything like some airforces do, you need infrastructure for each platform you buy and personnel trained specifically for it. Buying one of a single platform gives you advantages in commonality: our pilots can be certain they will have spare parts and technicians for F16 in any air base they land. If you had one squadron of Rafale another one of eurofighter on another base and f15 on one that sounds cool but you are actually wasting a lot of resources buying redundant stuff. For each of those you have different munitions, different simulators, different trainers. It's similar for all complicated platforms. I think Anka 3 with its full stealth design will be more suitable for our needs as well and more futureproof, though I also think it would be cool to have a good number of KE. I imagine Navy would appreciate the capability more.

Exactly, very well said.

 

[TR_123456]

It will be a LRIP, we shouldn't expect a large scale mass production as in others. 2 to 3 months per aircraft. Assuming that neither Ukrainians will be able to deliver engines at that rate, this is likely the LRIP to conduct extensive tests within TurAF until TF-6000 and other components get ready.

So why call it ''mass production'' then?
''Seri üretim''

 

[Zafer]

I don't want the 40 F16, I want the Kızılelma on fast track. And the TF6K engine to come online to power the following supersonic KE and Anka3 and possible others.

 

[Sanchez]

Baykar has a different view on what a prototype is. Mass production is misleading by standard wording I agree but I think they now consider the flying platform to be mature enough for LRIP.

In this post truth world of fighter jets, even F-35 still has not reached FRP with almost a thousand built by aug 23..

 

[Rodeo]

Honestly, I see both KE and ANKA-3 as technology demonstrators. To advance our knowledge base regarding both unstable and low RCS aircrafts. I expect the products that are based on these platforms to be vastly different from the early prototypes(in 5 years or more). Our experience in designing and building these drones, the required state of the art subcomponents and the needs of the end users have to mature a bit, imo.

 

[Bürküt]

We have seen it take off and land,thats it.
Yet they decided to mass produce it.
With what engine,the underpowered Ukrainian engine?
Is there something we dont know?

We all know how Baykar flexible compared to TAI.They produce the A model in limited numbers as in Akıncı.We procure the necessary critical subsystems from countries such as UK , Italy, where we have good relations.We use Adour engine instead of Al322. We use Raven radar until Murad radar arrives. For air and ground attack, we temporarily mount Aselpod under the fuselage.This is the only way I can think of.

Adour

Continuous evolution

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Raven ES-05

electronics.leonardo.com

 

[B_A]

So why call it ''mass production'' then?
''Seri üretim''

Baykar has a different view on what a prototype is. Mass production is misleading by standard wording I agree but I think they now consider the flying platform to be mature enough for LRIP.

In this post truth world of fighter jets, even F-35 still has not reached FRP with almost a thousand built aug 23..

''Mass production'' have different meaning for different company

For TOGG 80k per year is ''Mass production'' for TOYOTA or VW it must be 500K.

If KE 4-6/m i guess is ''Mass production''

 

[Agha Sher]

We have seen it take off and land,thats it.
Yet they decided to mass produce it.
With what engine,the underpowered Ukrainian engine?
Is there something we dont know?

I think it is very reasonable to assume that there is a lot we are not being told. I believe KE was assigned a high level of secrecy after the first few flights (i.e. election material).

We haven't really seen anything new on KE since the early videos. Even in recent months, they keep sharing old footage. We know for a fact that they are extremely focused on KE and dedicate a lot of effort.

 

[Sanchez]

''Mass production'' have different meaning for different company

For TOGG 80k per year is ''Mass production'' for TOYOTA or VW it must be 500K.

If KE 4-6/m i guess is ''Mass production''

4-6 frames per month is almost the speed the TB2s are being built. Make that 10-12/year for at least 2 years.
I also agree on KE basically being a tech demonstrator. I think to speed up the tech development phase they will build as many frames as they can, maybe up to 20 and work them side by side day and night. Only way it can mature enough in a short period of time. It'll be really expensive to do it, especially without financial support from HVKK. But it could work.

 

[Agha Sher]

4-6 frames per month is almost the speed the TB2s are being built. Make that 10-12/year for at least 2 years.
I also agree on KE basically being a tech demonstrator. I think to speed up the tech development phase they will build as many frames as they can, maybe up to 20 and work them side by side day and night. Only way it can mature enough in a short period of time. It'll be really expensive to do it, especially without financial support from HVKK. But it could work.

I believe TB2 is currently being built at 30-35 per month (according to statements from Baykar)

 

[YeşilVatan]

Regarding KE, I think the first batch that will be serially produced will act more as a testing platform than a true end product.

These things are going to be able to do A2A, and they are unmanned. Which means AI, which means lots of codes and a library (I think this is what it's called). They will be used like a '92 Renault 12 Toros, tested into oblivion in order for AI to be enough. Swarming capabilities, different scenarios, autonomous EW capabilities, dogfighting, ground bombing, BVR usage, baiting, whatever you can think of. It will take some years until KE's potential is fully realized. It is my firm belief that Baykar thinks the code will be the end product, not necessarily the plane.

While all this is happening, we will probably be able to test KE in various theatres. Maybe in a drone hunting mission, who knows. That would gather some attention. The Air force will probably come up with a whole new air warfare concept with it, just like we did with TB2 and air-ground warfare.

But the end product will be a swarm capable air supremacy asset. I had reservaions before, but the more I think on this, the more I see it as possible.

Or it will fail idk im not really an expert

 

[Sanchez]

I believe TB2 is currently being built at 30-35 per month (according to statements from Baykar)

probably true, haven't followed the monthly production numbers for a while, maybe misremembered.

 

[AWP]

They are the SpaceX of the defence world. Challenging the norms and doing what is perceived impossible.

In recent news we know that American companies could make a new manned fighter in less than 3 years. So it is not unexpected to see Kızılelma progress rapidly as a remote controlled unmanned fighter.

The Americans have decades of experience with aerospace and aviation that qualify them to make a drone 100x better than KE in the same timespan of KE.

SpaceX did extensive testing that took them around 4 years for the first successful launch before their first mission in 2012 and it was mini NASA cargo mission.

Baykar with 0 experience in the Jet and stealth business announcing that 2024 will deliver KE is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Agha Sher]

The Americans have decades of experience with aerospace and aviation that qualify them to make a drone 100x better than KE in the same timespan of KE.

SpaceX did extensive testing that took them around 4 years for the first successful launch before their first mission in 2012 and it was mini NASA cargo mission.

Baykar with 0 experience in the Jet and stealth business announcing that 2024 will deliver KE is utterly ridiculous.

I am sorry to say but typical Arab attitude. “If they can’t do it, how should we? If they do it, why should we?”

Baykar is taking market share from US drone manufacturers and is probably the LEADING drone manufacturer in the world. What Akinci can do, no other drone can do.

 

[AWP]

I am sorry to say but typical Arab attitude=

@Agha Sher @Angry Turk !!!

Lol, ethnicity ! is this where we going !!