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[Zafer]

So is the Chinese and even the US stealth drone Grumman X47B is not beyond the test phase, they are simply much more technologically advanced than we are.

We don't know much about the drones in question do we, so how can we even compare them.

 

[uçuyorum]

So is the Chinese and even the US stealth drone Grumman X47B is not beyond the test phase, they are simply much more technologically advanced than we are.
This is nothing to be ashamed of - both countries are much further ahead than we are in stealth technology.

But more specifically from 14:40

You know its the company that built these right

 

[IC3M@N FX]

We don't know much about the drones in question do we, so how can we even compare them.

You can assume that these two drones will have more to offer than Anka 3 itself in its final design.
The US has been developing stealth technology for 40 years even their first stealth bomber F-117 Nighthawk is a program from the 70's project HAVE BLUE.
The Chinese have been spying for 30 years, it is no secret that they have deep insights into the US stealth program from Lockheed Martin Skunk Works.
They even have the complete blueprints of the F-35 including its engine, even the US confirms this unofficially.

 

[Zafer]

You can assume that these two drones will have more to offer than Anka 3 itself in its final design.
The US has been developing stealth technology for 40 years even their first stealth bomber F-117 Nighthawk is a program from the 70's project HAVE BLUE.
The Chinese have been spying for 30 years, it is no secret that they have deep insights into the US stealth program from Lockheed Martin Skunk Works.
They even have the complete blueprints of the F-35 including its engine, even the US confirms this unofficially.

Even a novice intern will know what it takes to be highly stealth so the state of things is only governed by the materials you have access to. I would say this picture will change dramatically when we have new engines. I would say a twin engine Anka4 will be a plane beyond tactical.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Once again, this is not about downplaying the achievements of our own country.
Turkey has achieved a great deal in a very short space of time; in principle, we have bridged 10-20 years of development.
But if there is one thing that characterizes the Chinese, it is that they are not stupid.
They develop very quickly and come up with their own innovations. Even the Americans confirm from their own findings that the Chinese, with the Chengdu J-20 and the Shenyang FC-31, really have something that plays in the top league and cannot be compared with the Russian Stealth Fighters, which are more or less underdeveloped duds in comparison.

 

[Nutuk]

Are you aware you are comparing our drones against countries that are World power nr. 1 and 2?

Something impossible just 10 years ago

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

I don't believe it either, despite all the honor and respect that our country has made out of nothing. Nevertheless, we should remain realistic. The Anka 3 drone will be inferior to the American and Chinese stealth drones in all respects.
Of the top 5 in the world, we are currently no. 4 or 5, even the British would be further ahead than us if they were to develop a stealth drone tomorrow.
We are slightly above Israel and Russia, who started too late with this type of weapon.

US stealth drone
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Chinese stealth drone
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The extremely clean workmanship alone on both drones and the fact that the engine sits very low in the fairing is in a completely different league.

Our Anka 3 drone looks more like it was designed by an intern.

Exhaust nozzle (maybe also intake) design of Anka 3 and KAAN will change once fitted with domestic engines.

 

[Huelague]

I don't believe it either, despite all the honor and respect that our country has made out of nothing. Nevertheless, we should remain realistic. The Anka 3 drone will be inferior to the American and Chinese stealth drones in all respects.
Of the top 5 in the world, we are currently no. 4 or 5, even the British would be further ahead than us if they were to develop a stealth drone tomorrow.
We are slightly above Israel and Russia, who started too late with this type of weapon.

US stealth drone
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Chinese stealth drone
View attachment 64725

The extremely clean workmanship alone on both drones and the fact that the engine sits very low in the fairing is in a completely different league.

Our Anka 3 drone looks more like it was designed by an intern.

We dont need their nukes.

 

[Huelague]

Exhaust nozzle (maybe also intake) design of Anka 3 and KAAN will change once fitted with domestic engines.

Good bless your mouth. Maybe a multi axis thrust vectoring on Kaan.

 

[Huelague]

You can assume that these two drones will have more to offer than Anka 3 itself in its final design.
The US has been developing stealth technology for 40 years even their first stealth bomber F-117 Nighthawk is a program from the 70's project HAVE BLUE.
The Chinese have been spying for 30 years, it is no secret that they have deep insights into the US stealth program from Lockheed Martin Skunk Works.
They even have the complete blueprints of the F-35 including its engine, even the US confirms this unofficially.

Not to mention Sentinel drone, whiched were hacked by Iran.

 

[Ripley]

I wonder what makes a plane nuclear capable, is there a reliabiliy rating or what.

Yeah. I mean, B61 is a tactical free fall nuclear bomb.
I found out that its dimensions are as follows

Mass	715 pounds (324 kg)
Length	141.6 inches (3.60 m)
Diameter	13.3 inches (34 cm)

Can’t see anything extraordinary other than the fact that it’s a small yield tactical nuclear bomb.
What else would you really need to ‘drop’ a free fall 324kg bomb over a target at a certain altitude?
Some trajectory computation software on board the plane help it hit the area with a larger accuracy, perhaps?

 

[Sanchez]

Yeah. I mean, B61 is a tactical free fall nuclear bomb.
I found out that its dimensions are as follows

Mass	715 pounds (324 kg)
Length	141.6 inches (3.60 m)
Diameter	13.3 inches (34 cm)

Can’t see anything extraordinary other than the fact that it’s a small yield tactical nuclear bomb.
What else would you really need to ‘drop’ a free fall 324kg bomb over a target at a certain altitude?
Some trajectory computation software on board the plane help it hit the area with a larger accuracy, perhaps?

There are some hardware that need to be installed, like the systems to speak with the PAL(Permissive action link) that is on the bomb, which lets you arm and disarm the warhead, is only operated with a crypto key that comes from outside as far as i remember. Pilot only carries the bomb and releases it after given the key to arm the warhead. Human involvement is built onto the thing from the start. That's why I doubt drones will be used to carry nukes anytime soon. I'm not sure if the two man rule nuclear nations use on the use of nuclear weapons is applicable to single person jets like F-16 tho. Maybe base commander and the pilot.

 

[Zafer]

Yeah. I mean, B61 is a tactical free fall nuclear bomb.
I found out that its dimensions are as follows

Mass	715 pounds (324 kg)
Length	141.6 inches (3.60 m)
Diameter	13.3 inches (34 cm)

Can’t see anything extraordinary other than the fact that it’s a small yield tactical nuclear bomb.
What else would you really need to ‘drop’ a free fall 324kg bomb over a target at a certain altitude?
Some trajectory computation software on board the plane help it hit the area with a larger accuracy, perhaps?

Our drop bombs can hit even moving targets.

 

[Bogeyman]

We don't know much about the drones in question do we, so how can we even compare them.

https://wpcontent.ot5o9s93syrb.net/wp-content/uploads/UCAS-D_Data_Sheet.pdf

Yes we know it.

 

[Zafer]

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https://wpcontent.ot5o9s93syrb.net/wp-content/uploads/UCAS-D_Data_Sheet.pdf

Yes we know it.

That is just one experimental build. We don't know about the Chinese one and about the final configuration of Anka3 with domestics engine. Apart from air-frame specs the onboard systems load is critically important. Sensors , comms, self defense, stealth level, maneuver efficiency all go into their state of advancement quality. Anka3 is expected to come with a modern engine in a couple years, how will others hold compared to it.

 

[dBSPL]

Head-to-head comparisons with the world's aviation giants are, of course, meaningless. Let's also skip the speculation of an anonymous twitter account shared on the back page.

But the thing is, when we look at the ANKA-3, what we see is TAI's past 10 years, not the next 10 years. Years of accumulation, ideas, concepts, what-ifs have come together to create a proof-of-concept. But what about the results that the Anka-3 will produce directly as a result of the accumulated knowledge created by this concept?

Every time I see the Anka-3, the only thing that comes to my mind is that we are one step closer to the technology development concepts of the other aviation giants you have shared above, and maybe even that the difference in terms of achieving mass production success is much, much less than we thought.

While the geographical characteristics of the force's theatre, technical infrastructure, dozens of military and non-military issues, and the set of doctrines influenced by these issues are the main determining factors here, the main common denominator is the ability of a true stealth aircraft to deliver high-destructive munitions to the engagement range, including the ability to operate fully autonomously in enemy territory without communicating with the home base. This is the purpose of the ANKA-X (3-4-5) program. To create a true stealth platform with a largely suppressed chemical and thermal footprint, very difficult to detect in terms of RCS and undetectable communication. Anka-3 is a pioneering project and a challenging process in this respect. There are many technologies developed from scratch. But from here on, it will be largely about scaling up.

 

[Anmdt]

TAI's focus is not on export,there's the difference.
Baykar has to make money to survive,TAI as a state institution doesnt.

However, Baykar is not happy with TAI and is trying to pull some strings to slow them down. This is not fair. I had admired Baykar's effectiveness, but what has happened in recent years is an inorganic growth that has made them less effective than TAI, which is almost as big as Congoloromate.

Same as Aselsan, export has never been a problem but you find some wannabe start ups talking shit about them, man if you need anything out of the blue it is Aselsan that gets it done even a nut and bolt or a radar or sensors or they had to make actuators, controllers, stepper motors until the 2010s because those private companies and start ups found it hard. As soon as Aselsan had done it and built up the labour force that could do it, they hired these people to do it.

Aselsan and TAI (with TEI) are the last two companies that we can criticise, these are the places that do the things that nobody dares to do.

I don't want to be critical, but Baykar didn't even dare to localise the Rotax engine, which we bought in large quantities (hundreds or almost half a thousand), or offer it to a local company. Why not? To protect their relationship with the supplier, as they did with Wescam.

Politics is politics, business is business, and Baykar is the company that is breaking through this barrier and playing dirty.

 

[Anmdt]

I don't believe it either, despite all the honor and respect that our country has made out of nothing. Nevertheless, we should remain realistic. The Anka 3 drone will be inferior to the American and Chinese stealth drones in all respects.
Of the top 5 in the world, we are currently no. 4 or 5, even the British would be further ahead than us if they were to develop a stealth drone tomorrow.
We are slightly above Israel and Russia, who started too late with this type of weapon.

US stealth drone
View attachment 64724

Chinese stealth drone
View attachment 64725

The extremely clean workmanship alone on both drones and the fact that the engine sits very low in the fairing is in a completely different league.

Our Anka 3 drone looks more like it was designed by an intern.

It will be inferior to a Chinese drone operated by Chinese, it will be superior to a Chinese drone operated by anyone else (in other words, an export version or unfamiliar operators and maintenance). The same goes for US drones.

There is a good saying in Turkish, too obscure for the forum, but you got it.

Designed by an intern? What is your profession in the field to judge this? At least a degree? This looks good to me as development, early block design and excellent manufacturing and production for a prototype. (As a person with a PhD in mechanics).

This is not constructive criticism, provide details that we may discuss in depth. Your whole point is about the engine which we have covered long ago, when renders first got leaked. This is definitely related to the engine, not the designer itself.

 

[Anmdt]

So is the Chinese and even the US stealth drone Grumman X47B is not beyond the test phase, they are simply much more technologically advanced than we are.
This is nothing to be ashamed of - both countries are much further ahead than we are in stealth technology.

And where does your statement 'intern design' fall within? I would have doubts about China being much more technologically as of now. I have seen how they work in my own field and i would hardly claim it. They simply employ brute force as of now but there is no doubts they will surpass even the US eventually. This is expectable.

 

[Zafer]

However, Baykar is not happy with TAI and is trying to pull some strings to slow them down. This is not fair. I had admired Baykar's effectiveness, but what has happened in recent years is an inorganic growth that has made them less effective than TAI, which is almost as big as Congoloromate.

Same as Aselsan, export has never been a problem but you find some wannabe start ups talking shit about them, man if you need anything out of the blue it is Aselsan that gets it done even a nut and bolt or a radar or sensors or they had to make actuators, controllers, stepper motors until the 2010s because those private companies and start ups found it hard. As soon as Aselsan had done it and built up the labour force that could do it, they hired these people to do it.

Aselsan and TAI (with TEI) are the last two companies that we can criticise, these are the places that do the things that nobody dares to do.

I don't want to be critical, but Baykar didn't even dare to localise the Rotax engine, which we bought in large quantities (hundreds or almost half a thousand), or offer it to a local company. Why not? To protect their relationship with the supplier, as they did with Wescam.

Politics is politics, business is business, and Baykar is the company that is breaking through this barrier and playing dirty.

Localize Rotax engine, why would anyone do that. Baykar exports more than 80% of its products and you want them to localize Rotax. While also there is not guarantee that TB2 continues its success in an ever changing sector. Where does that inorganic growth come from, pulling strings to slow TAI down and all.

Bullshit after bullshit.