Türkiye develops, test-fires first TV-guided ballistic missile
Türkiye on Tuesday demonstrated its first homegrown TV-guided air-launched ballistic missile (ALBM), which was successfully test-fired from the...
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I think TAI/TEI is too busy for so many projects.Thats some questions born , first why Baykar dont want tf 6000 for kizilema?
Second , how powerful will be their own engine?
Third , does baykar see tai/tei as competitor , and want all its product money for themself ?
I believe Kızılelma is tied with KAAN as the most promising Turkish aviation project to date. Not because it's better, but because there is a chance that Kızılelma will have vastly superior conops design and easier production. It will sell like crazy. Just needs one A2A kill and floodgates will be wide open.
2 years ago, We were in totally different scenario. I am not sure about this, anymore. LLMs and Diffusion models showed what is possible. AI is almost there and US is planning to start using AI powered jets in 2028. Kızılelma/Selçuk Bayraktar's claims aren't looking as crazy as I thought they were.KE will depend on SATCOM for remote control. Which is not great for high intensity scenario. Other option is completely autonomous BVR engagement. Which would require an insane AI and high level of integration with other platform + sensor fusion. I am not convince we will see anything like that before 2040. However controling KE from a two-seater KAAN or even Hurjet looks more realistic.
When I speak about this, the parameters of the engagements are narrower than what you think. This stuff is not for warring with the US or even Greece in 2030. Anyone with a decent stealth fighter squadron would clearly make this concept useless, or at the very least, greatly limit its efficiency. But stealth fighters do not exactly grow on trees do they? Most countries try to make do with 4th gen fighters and relatively older land based air defence. In short, pick enemies carefully. This is for crippling middling air forces.KE will depend on SATCOM for remote control. Which is not great for high intensity scenario. Other option is completely autonomous BVR engagement. Which would require an insane AI and high level of integration with other platform + sensor fusion. I am not convince we will see anything like that before 2040. However controling KE from a two-seater KAAN looks more realistic.
For a weapon project,2028 and 2040 is not very different.everything delayed2 years ago, We were in totally different scenario. I am not sure about this, anymore. LLMs and Diffusion models showed what is possible. AI is almost there and US is planning to start using AI powered jets in 2028. Kızılelma/Selçuk Bayraktar's claims aren't looking as crazy as I thought they were.
AI 'pilots' are getting so good they're sometimes beating humans in dogfights
The US Air Force has been actively exploring AI, which is seen as a transformative technology for military action globally.www.businessinsider.com
When I speak about this, the parameters of the engagements are narrower than what you think. This stuff is not for warring with the US or even Greece in 2030. Anyone with a decent stealth fighter squadron would clearly make this concept useless, or at the very least, greatly limit its efficiency. But stealth fighters do not exactly grow on trees do they? Most countries try to make do with 4th gen fighters and relatively older land based air defence. In short, pick enemies carefully. This is for crippling middling air forces.
AESA radar means seeing from further away, good missiles means shooting from further away, low observability means the enemy can't respond, and there is the slim possibility of dominating in dogfights with automation. A Kızılelma fleet will mean an "I win" button, if the enemy does not have proper countermeasures. And those countermeasures will be hard to attain. The bar for the enemy gets very high.
Technical issues you brought up are certainly problems, but not as much as you think they are. USAF already tested an AI controlled F-16 against a manned F-16, and unmanned one dominated. The level of automation is the deciding factor here. Will the plane be able to;
an enemy Su-35, while;
- Spot,
- Identify,
- Lock on to,
- Shoot down
If the answer is yes, this will be a monster.
- Being at BVR distance,
- Without being seen,
- While resisting EW
I disagree.Anyone with a decent stealth fighter squadron would clearly make this concept useless, or at the very least, greatly limit its efficiency.
Exactly.Oh, and one could feasibly assume that Kızılelma's will always be numerically superior in a fight against 5th gens.
I personally disagree. While KE will give us an edge, Anka 3 will give us a capability we completely lacked before, deep strike capability is truly a game changer.I believe Kızılelma is tied with KAAN as the most promising Turkish aviation project to date. Not because it's better, but because there is a chance that Kızılelma will have vastly superior conops design and easier production. It will sell like crazy. Just needs one A2A kill and floodgates will be wide open.
Selçuk Bey has a chance to revolutionize air warfare by making advanced capabilities accesible, just like how TB2 did the same with precision strikes. My guess is, he aims to make something that will dominate 4th gen fighters and do SEAD/DEAD. If that goal is achieved, then keeping a competent air power will be significantly easier for friends of the Turkish Republic. Off the shelf A2A and SEAD/DEAD capability.
Of course that's if he can actually manage to do it. I hope it happens. I may even sacrifice a goat when it happens.
Recall of some Baykar personnel somehow involved in unfortunate car accident that seemed as reluctancy of them.What were those events?
exactly, according to Haluk Bayraktar they will produce 48 Kızılelma in 2026 (12 this year and 24 in 2025) that equals to near 200 in 2028I disagree.
Kızılelma could hold its own against the 5th gens, provided that the AI agent and the sensor stack in it is good.
Oh, and one could feasibly assume that Kızılelma's will always be numerically superior in a fight against 5th gens.
So that's a thing.
In my humble opinion, the current KE prototype is more of a technological level demonstration and a stepping stone to the desired destination. Of course, it will be mass-produced and has the potential to enter the service of many forces, but if you ask me, Baykar's Kızılelma journey is to reach the capacity to produce unmanned combat jets that can beat any up-to-date air superiortiy jet, not a wingman, but a platform that will be the main force in related operations. Some sources will call it the 6th generation fighter jet.I think that KE will be the loyal wingman of F-16 ÖZGÜR and HÜRJET whereas ANKA-3/4 will be the loyal wingman of KAAN.
Do you mean like a Turkish B-21 Raider but in a drone form?In my humble opinion, the current KE prototype is more of a technological level demonstration and a stepping stone to the desired destination. Of course, it will be mass-produced and has the potential to enter the service of many forces, but if you ask me, Baykar's Kızılelma journey is to reach the capacity to produce unmanned combat jets that can beat any up-to-date air superiortiy jet, not a wingman, but a platform that will be the main force in related operations. Some sources will call it the 6th generation fighter jet.
On the TAI side, my expectation is that KAAN will come to the fore as an 'optionally' manned aircraft and ANKA-X will become a stealth platform capable of intercontinental missions as a penetrator UCAV.
Do you mean like a Turkish B-21 Raider but in a drone form?
Comparing KE to the MQ-28 Ghost Bat, how well do you all think that KE holds up since KE's future competition is going to be Ghost Bat?